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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:16 PM
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Al Gore, Not Bill Clinton, Now Leads the Democratic Party
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 07:20 PM by David Zephyr
Since the inauguration of a new President and Vice President in January of 2001, we have had ample time to watch and weigh both the actions and speech of the two Democrats who had held those offices from 1992 to 2001. And now, here we are, nearly three years after George Bush and Dick Cheney took the helm of the nation and there has been a surprising development from their predecessors---it has been Albert Gore, and not Bill Clinton, who has provided the most consistent voice against the radical right wing agenda by the Republicans.

Albert Gore, both before and after making his decision not to seek the Presidency in 2004, refused to simply remain silent as the Bush Administration steered their new, extremist direction for our country. Since January of 2001, Gore has not cowered from taking on the Executive Branch over their shameful dismissal of the Kyoto Accord to reduce global greenhouse gases. Gore pilloried this White House for their unforgivable neglect in dealing with the Israeli/Palestinian for nearly a year until it erupted into the desperate situation we now all know. It was Al Gore, not Bill Clinton, who spoke out to keep the public’s indignation against corporate corruption alive as the media and the government quickly colluded to quiet-down the national uproar after the Enron scandal---and it was Al Gore who was attacked by his own Vice Presidential running mate, Senator Joseph Lieberman, for having done so.

Lest we forget, it was Gore, an anti-war Vietnam Veteran, who provided one of the precious few voices against Bush’s march to War with Iraq when he spoke out in September of 2002 at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco. In contrast to the majority of his own Party who were signing up to appease Bush’s thirst for war, Gore boldly spoke the truth and charged that “President George W. Bush is pushing for a vote in this Congress immediately before the election.”

This past summer, when President Bush was desperately sinking in a quagmire of his own making after being exposed for intentionally misleading and scaring the American public during his State of the Union Address by falsely claiming that Hussein had sought uranium from Africa, who would have ever guessed that the person to rescue Bush would be none other than Bill Clinton? Clinton, while chatting away with talking head Larry King and his buddy Bob Dole, let Bush off the hook with “"You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president." Clinton, in a forgiving and jovial mood continued, "I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in awhile. The thing we ought to be focused on is what is the right thing to do now. That's what I think."

Well, the winner of the 2000 Presidential Election by over 540,000 votes still feels differently about Bush’s deceit during that national speech. Gore says that Bush intentionally gave “false impressions” in a calculated attempt to build support for his war with Iraq and Gore still says that it was “dead wrong” to have done so.

Last week, again Al Gore, who has consistently questioned the so-called Patriot Act, stepped to the forefront of the national forum and denounced the Act to the great discomfiture of members of his own Party. Listen to Al Gore, not Bill Clinton (whose wife voted for this un-American legislation), speaking about the Patriot Act: “Where civil liberties are concerned, they (the Bush Administration) have taken us much farther down the road to an intrusive, 'Big Brother'-style government — toward the dangers prophesized by George Orwell in his book '1984' — than anyone ever thought would have been possible in the United States."

Further, only days after Democratic Senator Joseph Biden was quoted by the Washington Times (with great glee) as calling the Patriot Act a “good-faith effort” and stated that criticism of the it “was overblown,” Al Gore courageously said just the opposite as he told an enthusiastic crowd of 3,000 that filled DAR Constitution Hall the following: “I believe that the Patriot Act has turned out to be, on balance, a terrible mistake, and that it became a kind of Tonkin Gulf Resolution conferring Congress' blessing for this president's assault on civil liberties."

Last night I thought back to a very sad day on December 13, 2000 after the long, drawn out battle in Florida for the electors that so many of us believed rightfully belonged to Albert Gore. Then, in his concession speech---after the U.S. Supreme Court had given the election his opponent---Al Gore spoke to the nation and said, “As for the battle that ends tonight, I do believe as my father once said, that no matter how hard the loss, defeat might serve as well as victory to shape the soul and let the glory out.”

The loss that tore so many of us up, that ripped out our very souls and psyches, that stripped away what little innocence many of us still had, has had a wonderful and unintended consequence, hasn’t it? Our nation truly now has a liberated leader who no longer needs worry about political liabilities should he speak to truth when it is needed. Victory springs from defeat and life from death. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone, but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit" (John 12:24)

Al Gore has indeed let “the glory out” and we are a fortunate people for it.
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:22 PM
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1. Very well written.
I agree. Gore is MY president, and I would follow him wherever he wanted to lead. I trust him, and I believe his is the genuine article. While I like Bill Clinton, I'm not so sure that sometimes it's not "all about Bill".
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:55 PM
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10. "Genuine"
Indeed.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:22 PM
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2. Great post. Thank you. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:12 PM
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34. Hey Atman!
Saluting Tipper and Al here! :hi:
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:24 PM
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3. Watching a 'rerun' of Gore's speech...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 07:25 PM by Q
...right now. It's a shame that Democrats didn't fight for this man to take his rightful place as president. The 2000 selection will forever be known as the end of Democracy in America. Everything went downhill from there.

- The right wing's propaganda was SO successful that most Americans don't really understand what went on in 2000. Most still believe it was simply a 'close' race with the SC 'deciding' the winner. They don't understand...or seem to care...that the decision was illegal.

- It's too bad that Gore was tainted with Clinton's reputation and 'legacy'. He would have made a fine president and America would have been a much better place today.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:03 PM
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13. Hey Q!
You and me, baby! Together at lastt! :hi:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:26 PM
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4. "Defeat can serve as well as victory to shake the soul
and let the glory out."

It was quite possibly his finest moment to date. It was CERTAINLY his most authentic moment of the entire campaign.

Authenticity works. ;-)

Eloriel
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:15 PM
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18. Authenticity Works.
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:27 PM
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5. I definetly agree! If they were both speaking on the
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 07:28 PM by zidzi
same day I would go to see Al Gore and hear what he had to say. I'm so happy to be writing this because I saw great things in Al Gore when everybody was dissing him. And I know I wasn't the only one.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:46 PM
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19. Al's Speech at NYU Last Week.
Gore's speech last week just blew me away.
http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:39 PM
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6. Excellent post
I too see Al Gore as a better man than Clinton because I always felt that Gore cared about this country; whereas, Clinton seemed to enjoy the game of politics more than the good that politics could do.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:05 PM
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29. Yes.
Gore is a true patriot. He shames all Republicans and this is why they despise him. His example simply kills them.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:41 PM
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7. David
This is an excellent, insightful post, and I couldn't agree with you more.

Clinton (Centrist, DLC), Gore (becoming more left, true Dem). This is even more evident in that Clinton backs (owns) Clark, and Gore will come out in support of Dean.

We're beginning to the splits in the DEM party REALLY begin to widen. And I don't know what that means for the future, immediate, or long-term.

It shall be interesting indeed.

I know where MY heart lies.

Thanks for your post.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:53 PM
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8. You Are Most Insightful, Closer.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:02 PM
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20. Does Gore support NAFTA or the FTAA?
Just curious. NAFTA's harmed the US. Dean likes NAFTA and probably wanta the FTAA as well (the FTAA, simply put, is NAFTA across 31 countries...)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:15 PM
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22. I Wont' Dodge This, HypnoToad.
I loathe NAFTA and FTAA.

Gephardt and Kucinich have opposed this historically.

Gore should now address this issue, shouldn't he?

:hi:
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:16 PM
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37. Gore was the primary backer of NAFTA and "free trade" in general
I still remember his debates with Ross Perot. Gore shamelessly pimped himself out to the highest bidder for "free trade".

Maybe his populist campaign was trying to atone for selling us out? I do know this - if Gore was president, 911 would have never happened. He won the election fair and square.
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:54 PM
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9. Gore Leader of Our Party
confused---Gore could have said the Supreme (Political) Court gave the election to Bush---but hell should have have frozen over before before he conceeded defeat for something he won--but---suppose its like i saw another write somewhere around that time who said something like this----"GORE WANTED TO BE ONE OF THEM MORE THAN HE WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT."------How can one of principal conceed defeat when in reality he won----confused then, confused now---its as if 51,000,000 votes did not mean a damn thing
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:08 PM
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31. I Hear You, But Gore Did The Right Thing.
What else could he have done. The Supreme Court said that Florida had to turn in a slate of electoral votes by a date that made recounting impossible and the Florida Legislature was ready to send their own all Republican electors. It's the way the Constitution has set down the "rules".

Listen, the entire concept of the "electoral college" is just undemocratic altogether.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:26 PM
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42. Gore conceded before he won
Remember "Don't be snippy about it?" Gore "lost" when he called to concede. It was close, he should not have called until the next day. That mistake made him lose "momentum" and it was all over.

The CBC had to DRAG Gore and the Democrats kicking and screaming to fight the GOP over this. Clinton, Gore, and the DNC and DLC were ready to roll over like dogs for Bush and the Republicans, and leave the CBC, NAACP, AFL-CIO, ACLU, NOW, and everyone else hung out to dry.

Truly the most shameful political defeat I've ever seen.
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:24 AM
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50. Had reports of improprieties come out that early?
Here's a good resource about Selection 2000:

Stolen Election 2000
http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=248

I got to shake Al Gore's hand and say "Hi, Mr. President" to him at a booksigning in Raleigh a night or two after he made the announcement he would not be running. A friend and I made "Re-elect Gore in 2004" buttons and wore them. He looked at my button and laughed and said "Where did you get that?" I thanked him for all that he'd done, asked him to reconsider and then asked him to keep speaking out on our behalf since we needed him now more than ever. By that point, I was more in front of Tipper than Al and she heard me and assured me that they would continue to do so.

Can you imagine the journey Al Gore has made in the last few years? To win the election and have it stripped from him by people who had been planning what they would do for months in the event that the roles were reversed (* winning popular vote and Al winning electoral college). To have his fellow Democrats, and let's face it, all of us that didn't take to the streets, desert him? On top of that, to consider just WHO did become president--an evil moron who isn't fit to tie Al Gore's shoelaces. Then to have horrible things happen after this idiot takes office (9/11, Patriot Act, Iraq War, etc.) Al Gore is MY president and this nation's president-in-exile. He could have faded away but instead he loves this country so much that he is willing to be blasted or ignored by the right-wing media and crazies and continue to fight for us. Thank you Al and Tipper for being true American patriots.

Wonderful post, David.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:17 PM
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57. Thanks for Your First Hand Story, Nannygoat!
I wish I could have seen his face when he saw the "Re-Elect Gore in 2004" Button. Great story.

Thanks for your kind words.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:41 AM
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53. "Don't be snippy about it"
Was directed by Gore to Bush when Gore called Bush to tell him that he was NOT going to concede.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:18 PM
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58. That's How I Recall It, As Well.
Thanks HFishbine! :hi:
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:21 PM
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59. yes, exactly
That was the headline. Gore completely let the situation get away from it, and he's not president because of it. He should have never conceded.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:57 PM
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11. Maybe Gore's been more consistent
But Clinton's out there too. Remember his speech at the Harkin Steak Fry with some of the other candidates?

Do you really want to emphasize some split between Clinton "centrists" and Gore "true Democrats"? That'll bode well for 2004 :eyes:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:01 PM
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12. Not Me.
Clinton is the one who interjected his own candidate into the race, not me. Talk to him about your concern.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:22 PM
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27. You mean Clark? Sorry, not buying it.
I do think you make good points about Gore though.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:10 PM
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15. Why ignore the 'split'?
...Wouldn't that be like ignoring reality?

- Clinton may be good at fund-raising...but Gore is the 'conscience' of the Democratic party.

- Too many Democrats fell for the RWing and DLC propaganda about Gore and didn't FIGHT for him during the recount and afterwards. I've heard comments that Gore shouldn't have conceded...but with the SC decision and even his traitor running mate saying he should concede...there wasn't much he could do.

- There IS a split in the party. It does no good to ignore it. Many of us still believe that Gore and our party was CHEATED out of the White House...and would vote for Gore again without hesitation.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:22 PM
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28. I never said ignore it
I just don't believe in CELEBRATING it.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:35 AM
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52. I see no signs of 'celebration'...
- I was simply complaining about your poor choice of words in describing the split.

- It's not 'celebrating' to talk about it and try to find the reasons behind it. Perhaps we're arguing semantics here...but the 'split' is real and is killing the party.
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nansocal Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:09 PM
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14. Your words....
could not be more truer. thanks for your post it is great. gore is the leader.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:10 PM
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32. He Leads While Clinton Ponders and Plays It Safe.
I will always like Bill. I was a delegate for him representing California at the Chicago 1996 Convention, but like you said, Nansocal, Gore is now the leader and the conscience of the Party.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:10 PM
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16. I have a dream ...
that Gore will be drafted at the convention ... let him keep speaking out in the meantime (and avoid the 9-way debates) and convince voters he's the one to unite the party and take back the WH that's rightfully his.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:14 PM
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17. Gore is More Glorious Without the Burden of Running Anymore.
Albert will endorse the nominee at the DNC in Boston and then work his heart out for him. That's the grace that both he and Tipper have.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:12 PM
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21. great work, David
very nicely done!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:11 PM
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33. Hey Frank Frankly!
Thanks.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:23 PM
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23. My dear friend David Zephyr
You wrote what I feel in my heart besides being our president, Al Gore is the strongest voice in the Democratic Party and there's no better Leader then him.

I agree 100% Al Gore has indeed let "the glory out" and we are fortunate people for it and it was a honor meeting him and telling him and Tipper we love them!

Thank You David...I cherish what you had to say! :hug:
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:52 PM
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24. Thats correct...Bill had his time...and is still a potent force...but Al
has a message that needs to be delivered...over and over. Bring it on AL!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:17 PM
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38. Bring It On, Al!
Al's speech at NYU was off the radar!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:16 PM
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36. It's Crew!
:hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi:

You have always been true to Al and Tipper, Crew!

Al has shown so much courage to stand up against this junta and speak so clearly, powerfully and from his heart.

You are an angel, Crew!
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Cormac1 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:10 PM
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25. Why don't we just Draft Gore? No other winner among the 9.
I do not understand this party... everyone says nice things about Gore, great speech, talk of the town, the media declares him as the elder statesman. Please... let's just Draft him. He won the first time around... he can do it again and would be a sure WIN. None of the others have a chance against Bush, Clinton's included. WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE CAN'T LOST THIS ONE.

David fabulous piece.
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Cormac1 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:13 PM
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26. Why don't we just Draft Gore? None of the other 9 can win.
I do not understand this party... everyone says nice things about Gore, great speech, talk of the town, the media declares him as the elder statesman. Please... let's just Draft him. He won the first time around... he can do it again and would be a sure WIN. None of the others have a chance against Bush, Clinton's included. WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE CAN'T LOST THIS ONE.

David fabulous piece.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:21 PM
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39. Welcome to the DU, Cormac1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
History has already recorded that Albert Gore won the Presidency in 2000 by over 540,000 votes. No one can ever take that away from him.

I think that Al Gore will have a far larger role now in American culture. He is unbridled by politics and fundraising and he can speak truth to power. I like this guy now more than ever before.

Nice to meet you here at the DU, Cormac1!


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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:22 AM
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55. KICK!!!!!!
Lets just do it,NOW 8-)
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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:07 PM
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30. Powerful post. Thank you.....................................eom
n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:22 PM
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40. You Are Nearing the 1,000 Post Mark, ILeft!
Congratulations and thanks! :hi:
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:13 PM
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35. Exactly right. I am so proud of Gore and his stands on issues.
He has been out in front and setting the tone for the Democrats. Time for the DNC to accept this.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:24 PM
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41. Gingergal!
He is setting the tone. He is establishing the arguments. He is speaking truth to power without concern for upsetting petty political powermongers. I like his longer hair a lot, too. I bet Tipper had something to do with that! :hi:
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:28 PM
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43. Excellent piece
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 11:36 PM by Samantha
Al Gore is now in a class by himself. Up until recently, I thought I would never come to peace with the fact the election was stolen from him. Now I believe if we in the United States had to have ANOTHER stolen election, perhaps the "best" person the ultra-right wing could have stolen the presidency from is Al Gore.

Gore was groomed by his parents to win the presidency when the time was ripe. The time became ripe in 2000. He spent 25 years preparing himself to lead this country. His record speaks for itself. Perhaps if the Bush* cabal had stolen the presidency from a lesser person, that person would not have had the presence, the courage, and the inherent intelligence to deal with the theft as Gore has shown.

He stood alone in his early verbal assualts on the Bush* coterie. He strategically declined to run but in another sense, an innovative one, has never stopped running. The smartest thing Howard Dean has done, in an effort to persuade the Gore constituency to "look" at him was to take his cues from Gore himself. Dean had the political acumen to realize that while he was not Gore in moving into a "Gore-like" political arena he could propel himself to where he wanted to go. This is why Dean has skyrocketed into public awareness head and shoulders above the others. Dean is not Gore, but he is the best politician in the group -- by best, I mean accomplished -- and his his anti-war, anti-Bush* Gore-lite positions, is what propelled him so fast far and above the rest of the field.

Should the convention become tied up and Gore is drafted -- I can dream, can't I -- a Gore-Dean combination would take it from Bush* ... regardless of the money .. regardless of the attempts at theft he will once again perpetrate ... REGARDLESS. From a standpoint of pure, raw ability, there could be no better combination to steer this Country back to the right course than Gore with Dean.

It is obvious from reading posts at this site Gore's constant commitment to put the best interests of the United States above his own best personal interests has never been fully understood or grasped by many posting here. It's not a truly commendable political decision as such but it is a sterling example of the kind of the leadership this country needs, the leadership of a person who does what is best for the masses as opposed to what is best for himself.

Regardless of whether he will ever be called President of the United States of America, a title which very well might be forever tainted by the pretence to it by Bush,* Al Gore will be viewed by history as the true leader of the Democratic Patriotic Underground which whistled through this Country while Bush* "occupied" the Oval Office. I salute him.

Once again, excellent post, David.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:40 PM
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44. Beautiful Thoughts and Words, Samantha.
And you know, I think you have pointed something out that I had not seen before and that is that the "Deanmania" does seem to be channeling a lot, almost intuitively, from Gore.

And remember this, Samantha: George W. Bush will always, always have to lay down at the end of each day KNOWING that Al Gore kicked his ass in 2000 by over 1/2 million votes! :hi:
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Gingergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:43 PM
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45. Gore's speech for American Constitution Society and MoveOn in DC
Nov. 2003 may be the most important one since bush was appointed to the White House. He point by point destroyed the actions of bush rumsfeld ashcroft and held them up to the light and declared them to be unAmerican. Why have the Democrats other than Al Gore allowed bush to get away with so much for so long? Thanks to Al Gore for that eloquent defense of the U.S. Constitution against the would-be bush dictatorship.
I agree that Gore is doing the most good by attacking bush while the others are otherwise engaged. He sees the true danger to our democratic republic and is doing all in his power to fight the dangers of bush, etc.
Gore is our gladiator for democracy fighting the usurper and trying to restore the republic for some other legitimate leader to pick up the reins. His is the ultimate patriotic act.
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:52 PM
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46. Sorry, but I'm vomiting. Gore caved during the recount battle
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 11:55 PM by DemLikr
and thus ensured that George Bush would wreak the whirlwind we now try to live inside.

Your post is as misguided as it is well-written, David.

I have no way of knowing what your issues with Al Gore are, but he had his golden opportunity and he blew it, and he slapped me in the face when he caved to Shrub. It would have been more honest of him to flush my Gore/Lieberman ballot down the toilet on national television; after spitting on it of course.

I lost all trust, and most of my respect, for Al Gore the day he took a popular vote victory, both in Florida and nationwide, and magically converted it into a defeat.

Al Gore would be well put to use in the next Democratic president's administration as a prominent elder statesman/adviser. There is no reason to waste his knowledge and intelligence.

But spare me the "Glorious Gore" propaganda, puh-leeease. Three years and several national tragedies too late for that.

On edit: :puke:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:06 AM
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47. I Don't Know What You Actually Think He Could Have Done.
If you think I am trumping Gore for President, I am not. I am securely in Howard Dean's camp.

Sorry you feel that way about Gore. I don't know how you can ascribe the shitty events of the last three years to Al, though.

The Supreme Court ended his candidacy. And the Florida Legislature had already set everything up so that they would send their own slate of delegates (Bush delegates) to the Electoral College giving it to Bush.

Blame the founding fathers and the electoral college. It sucks, but Gore was crushed by an entrenched establishment.

Here's a cyber hanky for the mess I guess I created by making you puke.

Peace.
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DemLikr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:24 AM
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48. I salute you, David. Any man who offers me a cyber hanky
to clean up my cyber-puke is alright by me.

Truly, I appreciate you equanimity, my fellow.

Here is the hanky back, washed, bleached, ironed and folded; no worse for wear. You can use it the next time I make YOU puke.

All the best :)
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:31 AM
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51. All I can say to your post is that you haven't done the research...
...about the 2000 campaign and election. You seem to have accepted the talking points of the Bush* camp...and the media that lied for them.

- There was an orchestrated attempt by the Bushies and the Republican party to steal the 2000 election from Gore, Democrats and the American people. They succeeded...with the help of the Florida legislature, Jeb 'the crow' Bush, Harris, News media and the Supreme court.

- It seems you wanted Gore to 'go down in flames' instead of conceding in order to fight another day. Want to blame someone for Gore's 'defeat'? Blame the Democratic party 'leadership' for their lack of support.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:31 AM
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56. B/S -Dems let Gore down !
Where you watching while this whole 2000 election fiasco was taking place .The media ,the repugs (of course) and even some Dems ,treated Gore as the loser contesting the election, when in fact it was to other way around. After the high court of this country made their bogus ruling ,Gore really had no choice . You should be greatful that he is staying loyal to the Dem party ,even after everyone let him down .Believe me if thousands where protesting in the street after the high court appointed bush ,Iam sure Gore would have continued ,however that wasnt happening .I give him credit for knowing when the fat lady was singing .Now I want to see him sworn in as President after the next election ,and see if this finally gets the smirk off chimps face !
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:21 PM
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60. Thousands Protesting in the Street s
NicRic, I also wish that there had been organized rallies in the streets. The DNC could have done it. There would have been millions who would have shown up. :hi:
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:59 AM
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49. Great work there
America unfree shall never be at peace!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:24 PM
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61. Giving Al Gore His Due.
His speech at NYU was one of his finest. He spoke for me.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:47 AM
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54. Interesting thoughts
Gore has more ethical capital, Clinton is the better politician, but damaged goods. Gore is gaining on Clinton.

Gore seems to be more conscientiously staking out his own voice and identity, Clinton cares about Clinton. Gore steadily increases his influence and begins to cast a long shadow over Clinton.

Let's hope Gore stays the course and strives for empowerment for a renewed party identity.

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