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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:31 PM
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Am I the only one that didn't know? Ultimate humiliation for Bush
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 08:40 PM by BevHarris
I just got off the phone with a reporter from London. He wanted to make sure we know about this stateside, because he assumes (quite correctly) that this is getting little play in our media.

I don't have links -- if someone wants to find them, that is, assuming I'm not so all wet that I just missed them and they've been posted here already -- well, it might be worth our while to start a little collection.

Here's the story I got:

1) Bush is coming to England, and they seem to detest the idea. The theory is that he's coming there so he can scrounge up a statesman-like photo op, since his bannergate thing crashed. He is trying to find any PR opportunity that will allow him to get footage of himself as a statesman. Tea with the queen, is what this reporter predicts they'll be showing on U.S. television, while in Britain they see footage of 50,000 people chanting in the streets. "They'll have to take him to some private little garden inside Buckingham Palace," he said, in order to avoid hearing and seeing the protestors.

2) Bush wanted to meet with, or speak to, Parliament but they said they don't want him.

3) Something like 60 percent of the Brits say they don't want him to set foot in their country

4) He wanted to have a parade, and to do that his security staff wants to shut down downtown London. The mayor of London said "no."

5) Bush wanted to have his protestors corralled a couple miles away, but this incensed the British, who wanted to know why he thinks he can tell THEM where THEIR protestors can protest. So they refused to comply. And people are booking trips from all over Europe to come to England and protest.

As my reporter friend said, "Isn't this delicious?"

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:34 PM
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1. How refreshing, a populous with a conscience.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:17 PM
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39. Guardian: Bush welcomes UK protests! Basically say, "Bring 'em on"!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-3385004,00.html

Press Association
Thursday November 13, 2003 11:23 PM
President George Bush has said he welcomes the massive protests expected in London during his visit next week.

He argued: "I don't expect everybody in the world to agree with the positions I've taken.

"I'm so pleased to be going to a country which says that people are allowed to express their minds," Bush said.

"That's fantastic. Freedom is a beautiful thing."

Demonstrations against the Iraq war drew hundreds of thousands of people to central London earlier this year, and the Stop the War coalition said it hopes 60,000 people will join an anti-Bush march on November 20.

"The fact that people are willing to come and express themselves - I'm going to a great country," Bush said at the Oval Office.

While saying that people do not have to agree with him, Bush said: "But certainly they should agree with the goals of the United States, which is peace and freedom."
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:35 PM
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2. You need get out more often Bev...
You work way too hard and your BBV isolationism shows.

I think all of DU knows this already - welcome back kid. :hug:
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:49 PM
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48. Well, I didn't know a lot of the details
Like #2 and #5. Thanks Bev! Let's keep a close
watch on this. It could be the big one.

Oh, and Melinda, that is a great Dean quote.
Really top notch.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:08 PM
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70. Of course - I was thoughtless, sorry!
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 11:10 PM by Melinda
I've had waaaaaaay too much time on my hands lately and have devoured the news...not fair to assume others on DU have as well, d'oh!

And although it's hard to tell, I was joshing Bev -- she deserves some down time too!

Thanks for the wake-up, Myra, and the kudos to Dr. Dean... I like your guy real well too. :)
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:36 PM
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3. I love it
He bused people in for the St. Paddies Day Parade in Chicago one time.
He shut our Parade down so that he could hold his own. Anyone that knows Chicago knows that 70% of us have Irish Blood running through us and you don't shut our Parade down but he did.

What's he going to do Fly his freaks in to London and make them wear British Flag T-shirts so that people will think that they are real British People. LOL!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:25 PM
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40. Hahaha- yeah, he's flying in the Griswolds
To wear Union Jack t-shirts and cheer. It's gonna be a disaster!!
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:01 PM
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52. Jr takes his PAID FREAKS everywhere he goes
He can't leave home without them and a clap track for the background of his drunken speeches.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #52
84. A clap track for the claptrap, eh?
appropriate.
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kyrasdad Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:36 PM
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4. Thank Gawd Time Warner
carries the BBC... it's a video tape moment
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:19 AM
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109. BUT... will Warner cable show it??
Our cable carries BBCAmerica(blech), but mostly what we get are the "garden makeover", "Liberace-style" variety shows, and old reruns of british series..

We do get 1/2 hour BBC news, but half of it it British sports and even their weather sometimes.. and of course we get commercials thrown in as well..

I fear that we will get sparse coverage, just like we did on the pre-war protests..

CNN will report that a "few" freaky anti-war hippies showed up, but that MOST people LOVED our hunky, articulate president :puke:

Remember....if people do not see it, it did not happen :(
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:36 PM
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5. Could they be bribed to throw him in the Tower?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:49 PM
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17. Good idea, throw junior in the tower....
then Charles could sneak off with the frumpish one. Oh, God that wouldn't work, I just remember Charlie would more likly to give comfort to junior in the tower....Oh well, I guess Laura could always read to the kiddies.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Instead of throwing him IN the tower
Could we throw him FROM the tower?
Just asking.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. snort...
I am thinking of that scene in Braveheart...when the King throws his son's friend out of the window...
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:31 AM
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95. That thought crossed my mind
Can you imagine this.

They are playing a trick on the PIECE OF SHIT and they give him a room in the Tower. Jr tries to get out but he can't and he starts breaking things. All of a sudden people from the UN come in and tell him that he is being arrested for WAR CRIMES.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:37 PM
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6. Welcome back, Bev! Check out this link...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=463147
This is pretty succinct in reflecting what the British think of Quasident Bush...
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:56 PM
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22. sh**, what an article - here's some snips
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 08:58 PM by gristy
It is not only Bush the Chicken-hawk warmonger and promoter-in-chief of the great illusion about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction who they will be denouncing. It is also Bush the ignorant, self-righteous Christian warrior, Bush the smirking executioner and Bush the believer in one law for America and another for everyone else. And, of course, Bush the "Toxic Texan", an image made flesh by the "ghost ships" bearing down on Hartlepool, whose US-produced contaminants will find a last resting place on Britain's unpolluted isle.

snip...

Bush telegraph: selected presidential facts

In May 2001, Bush's government gave $43m to the Taliban.

Bush has never attended a funeral or memorial service for a soldier killed in Iraq.

In August this year, Bush took the second-longest holiday ever by a US president: 28 days.

Bush's 16-member cabinet is the wealthiest in US history, with an average fortune of $10.9m each.

As governor of Texas, Bush executed 152 prisoners.

Sixty-one people who raised $100,000 for Bush's 2000 election campaign have since been given government posts.

Nine members of Bush's Defense Policy Board sit on the board of defence contractors or are advisers.

Bush owns more than 250 autographed baseballs.

Bush has been arrested three times: for stealing a Christmas wreath from a hotel; for ripping down the Princeton goal posts after a Princeton-Yale game; and for drunk driving.

Bush infuriated the Russian media by spitting a wad of chewing gum into his hand before signing 2002's historic Treaty of Moscow with Vladimir Putin.

While appearing on the David Letterman show in 2000, Bush was caught surreptitiously cleaning his glasses on the jacket of the programme's executive producer, Maria Pope.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
69. My informed source says that Bush was arrested in '72
for possesion of cocaine, a 'controlled substance' or whatever they called it 30 years ago...
pg 316 "Fortunate Son" by James H Hatfield...
for the record, for what it's worth (remember John Lennon going through HELL with the US INS cuz of a silly mara juwanna conviction back in '70s? and Geebush breezes by all!)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:04 AM
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100. Great article. And a question.
What is the

In May 2001, Bush's government gave $43m to the Taliban.

referring to?

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #100
101. This refers to 43 million given to the Taliban to stop the growing of
opium, so they said. Here is a link to a Robert Sheer article about it:

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #101
112. and it worked
The Taliban were very successful in shutting down opium production.

The Karzai "government" has not. Opium production in Afghanistan this year set a new record.

Nice work, George.
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:38 PM
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7. the story is getting a good run in Australia
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 08:39 PM by jonoboy
but obviously not in the USA were it really should. It seems it was planned when Bush won (?) office but has now become a giant burden for T.Blair. Everyone is washing their hands of responsibility for the original idea which was to provide photo-ops of Bush on horseback with the Queen similar to R.Reagan had when he visited.

I think its a visit that will backfire badly and just point out how unpopular Bush is in the UK .

Wait for the toppling of the Bush statue in Trafalgar Square. Delicious.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:39 PM
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8. CNN
did something on this today.

It will get more play here in the US for sure.

This really IS a great story.


Maybe the US rednecks will treat Britain how they treat France after hearing this.

THAT'D be delicious.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:42 PM
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9. Chimp Is In For A Nasty Surprise On His Li'l Jaunt To Merry Old England
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 08:42 PM by Beetwasher
They are going to topple a statue of him, Hussein-Like in Trafalgar Square. I shit you not.

I suspect this trip will backfire immensely. His little snit about closing London is going to ensure an even larger number of protestors I'm sure...

Read this, you won't be dissapointed:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=463147
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:41 PM
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47. No man is ever quite as extreme as his caricature. But Bush comes closer
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 09:42 PM by lunabush
than most - man, if that doesn't sum it all up....
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #47
88. This line was great, too:
>And all this done with a certainty ill-befitting a man with scant knowledge of the world's complexities, and a quite scary lack of curiosity about what makes other people and other cultures tick.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
65. Thank you. This is well done.
He is in for humiliation there, but US right wing media will paint him as victim and scream about how unfair and rude the hosts are. I hope 200,000 people show up to protest the piece of garbage.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:43 PM
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10. This is a very dangerous
situation.

And it could get very ugly, very fast.

Bush or Blair should cancel...but I doubt they will.

I'm not kidding here...somebody could die, it's that serious.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:46 PM
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12. More than likely there will be a bad incident between the Chimp's
bodyguards and some protestors who they will say were threatening the emperor. They've been given wide lattitude to use deadly force, or so I've read.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:46 PM
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13. I am thinking of a Kent State type scenario occuring
where the protesters get a little too close for * and his secret service starts firing.....

I don't think anything will happen to Bush or Blair.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:47 PM
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15. If one person gets shot
one Englishman on English soil shot by an American.....yeah, Bush could end up...
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:05 PM
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31. nothing will happen to him... I think he is going to chicken out
and do some really lame visit...mark my words...they will end up hosting him at Balmoral...far away from "the maddening crowds"
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:29 AM
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102. Hmm.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 09:30 AM by LibLabUK
"where the protesters get a little too close for * and his secret service starts firing..."

I'm certain that the Metropolitan Police will take out the USSS guys, one way or another, should this happen.

They've refused to give them immunity from prosecution and limited the number of SS agents who can carry firearms.

Drawing a firearm in public without justification is an offence in itself that could land them in gaol.

That being said, I too fear something nasty will happen.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #10
61. Yeah Maple, that's sort of the point
Bush Inc, of which Blair Inc is a wholly owned
subsidiary, is as dangerous as any regime ever.

The Bush body count is already in the tens of thousands
at least.
Among the dead we know of for sure:

Tens of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq,
hundreds of American soldiers in those bullshit invasions
(many of whom are likely in the armed forces because
the Bush sabotaged economy doesn't offer them job/income
alternatives).

Among the suspected/likely murdered:

Thousands in the 911 attacks, the great Senator Wellstone,
and his family and others in the plane, Mel Carnahan.
No doubt many more.

So most of don't need convinching that any situation related to
Der Fraud is serious and dangerous. That climate of danger was
created by this regime with the above mentioned murders,
the trashing of people's lives/jobs/the economy, the raping of
the planet...crimes too numerous to list.

We know that big protests are serious and protestors could
get hurt, and we aren't gleefully anticipating that.
But the longer this regime is in power the more blood
will be spilt. And the BFEE no respect for the legitimate
democratic process (e.g., voting rights, the will of the people,
free press, separation of powers, civil rights, separation of
church and state, bla bla bla). They're a cancer on the planet.

So I do hope *millions* of Brits have the courage
to show their hatred of that Son of a Bitch (normally this is
an expression, but that mom of his...lordy - Darth Vader
exudes more warmth). And the fact that people won't be corralled
into Orwellian named "first amendment zones" (what with no
constitution and bill of rights...heh heh) is positively delicious.
I've been to so many protests against Bush and the Supreme
Injustices; and at all of them we're penned well out of sight of
the Supreme Rulers. Well, maybe he won't be so isolated in
England...

I hope he doesn't cancel. And I hope he gets the royal
treatment, albeit from the commoners not the monarchy.
And I hope the whole thing is so huge that even the US
media whores can't filter it out of our news.

Precisely because this is serious.
The BFEE got very ugly, very fast.
They're only going to get worse.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
62. Yes, it -could- get ugly. Someone might even die. I seem to recall that
some Americans have died in Iraq. According to Smirky, that is an acceptable 'sacrifice' for

Never mind that the moron born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple, bankrupted 3 companies, went AWOL from the military, robbed a couple hundred acres of land from the citizens of Arlington, TX, stole an election with the USSC 5/4 decision, lied about WMD & Saddam/911, gave a back-breaking (for regular people) tax cut (beneficial only to the wealthy), no-bid contracts to his VP's old company (which still pays him) to repair all the shit he broke in Iraq, and apparently believes he is sleeping in the White House and invading/occupying sovereign nations as a direct result of God's application of "Put the Village Idiot in Charge of a Country" notion.

Nothing good can possibly emanate from such a sordid scenario. I hope it isn't cataclysmic.


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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Woh! Now that's one of the most ripping paragraphs I've read
in a while. Yeah. What he said.

Bev
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:44 PM
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11. It's too bad most Americans are blind.
They don't seem to care what the rest of the world thinks. Just tell them their freedom is in jeopardy from terrorists and they'll back a bowl of Jello if needed. Boycott the rest of the world, "We're the US", they say.

Too bad the real terrorists are in charge of our country and have stripped away our rights slowly, right from under the unsuspectings nose.

Instead Chimpy goes to the UK (good title for a childrens book), with a gigantic entourage on 3 jets, numerous motorcades, and a huge staff of Secret servicemen.. is he paranoid? You bet he is!

One word of advice: Don't choke on your crumpet (not too be confused with trumpet) Georgey!



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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. I seem to remember the repukes lambasting Clinton
and his entourage when he traveled to Africa. I wonder if they will show similar outrage when Bush shuts down London for a photo-op?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. The Europeans get the real news!
If we all got the real news here there would be more People who would Protest bush.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
64. What flaver Jello? I want to see thousands of people, lining the route,
mooning the chimp.

One word of advice: Don't choke on your crumpet (not too be confused with trumpet) Georgey!

Not to be confused with strumpet either.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #11
67. not blind, we just live behind the "corporate curtain"
kinda like the iron curtain in the days of the Soviet Union.

We just don't get the truth here.

We have no journalism.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #67
96. Real journalists
I was reminded of this while watching the movie "Citizen Cohn," especially during the scene when Cohn, Joe McCarthy's attack dog, makes a big show of going around to all the U.S.I.A. libraries in Europe removing books by "Communist" authors.

The British reporters give him a reception that he's not used ot.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #96
114. I caught "Citizen Cohn" for the first time last night on HBO.
I thought it was riveting. I noticed that vignette too, on Cohn's treatment from the Eurojournalists. Unfortunately I'm a little too young to have lived through that and to have seen the US headlines at the time. Must have been interesting, and educational.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:47 PM
Original message
Welcome back Bev...I missed you
I just read the Diebold memos...and we all need you here. Thanx too, for the info about Bush's trip. I'll be sharing it.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:01 PM
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53. Me To
Welcome back Bev.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:47 PM
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14. It has been reported that IF he appears before Parliament,
the Labor Party is supposedly going to stand up and turn their backs on him. Bye Bye Georgie!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Didnt they say the same thing about Australia?
and only two people were brave enough to shout out against him.

Ill believe it when I see it.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Australia
and England aren't remotely the same.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:49 PM
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16. "He wanted to have a parade"
LOL isn't that special? All hail Caesar!

What a twit. His desire for adulation is sickening. How stupid can he be? People around the world HATE him and he just doesn't get it.
:puke:

MzPip
:dem:
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:57 PM
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23. This is gonna be good.
Have you seen those guys at soccer matches?! We are talking big league berserkers.

Is anyone aware of any Brit equivalent to DU? We really should look at ways to get the whole world involved in ousting Bushco.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:58 PM
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24. We know we Love the "mayor of London"!
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 09:19 PM by zidzi
Long Live Ken Livingstone! And I love #5, too! :D

edit~ to spell "Livingstone" correctly!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. When was the last time the mayor of London snubbed a U.S. President?
Ever?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:02 PM
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28. He has not only
snubbed Bush, he has INVITED protestors to London for a 'party'
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:02 PM
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29. Ken Livingstone has thumbed his nose at Bush* since at least 2/03
He led the anti-war protests in London then. :)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:05 PM
Original message
Not the same thing.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:07 PM
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32. Close enough for govt. work.

Livingstone on Bush:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3011999.stm

The mayor said: "I think George Bush is the most corrupt American president since Harding in the Twenties.

"He is not the legitimate president."

He later added: "This really is a completely unsupportable government and I look forward to it being overthrown as much as I looked forward to Saddam Hussein being overthrown."
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #32
90. Wait...whaaa?? "Ari Fleischer, WH Press Secretary"??
Is that author just confused, or is there something (else) we haven't been told, here?
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:06 AM
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93. Psssst, belle....
Livingstone said that last May when Ari was still around...sorry bout being unclear...I do that a lot. Must have been all the excitment of seeing him in print again, heh.

Gosh I miss Ari -- NOT. ;)
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:08 PM
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34. What's not the same thing?
Funny? Serious? What am I missing?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:56 PM
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50. Bush has brought this on himself
By referring to millions around the world as a "focus group" who opposed the invasion of Iraq, and subsequently failing to take responsibility for the lies he used to justify an invasion, or to honestly seek to mend relationships with long-standing allies.

Followed by no-bid contracts for Halliburton, tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilans, a sham attempt at "democracy" by the installation of his puppet, and a failure to recognize the sovereignty of the people he supposedly wanted to liberate.

He's supposed to be the leader of the "free" world, but he acts like a little tyrant.

That Blair uncritically backs Bush is an embarrassment to him, whether he knows it or not.

Non-violent civil disobedience is the tactic Ghandi said could overthrow tyranny...and there are many examples of its effectiveness.

Bush deserves to be brought before a tribunal for invading based upon lies. America continues to ignore the crimes of our govt to its own peril as both a democracy and as a respected world power.


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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:13 PM
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37. londoners
please help us. something big needs to happen. if it's only another 100,000 marchers, our press won't pay any attention,(remember world protest before the war)? as the world rejected this farce, he paid no attention.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:05 PM
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30. lame article in The Guardian written by...
The Associate Press! wtf?

SEDGEFIELD, England (AP) - It takes a lot to impress the down-to-earth people in this quiet northern English town, where Prime Minister Tony Blair keeps a home and may stop by next week with guests from the White House.

Shoppers on Sedgefield's main street and people unwinding in its pubs seem unruffled by Thursday's headline in The Journal newspaper - ``George and Laura head north.''

The paper reported rumors that President Bush will drop in next week to cap his state visit to Britain. If he comes, the welcome is likely to be friendlier than in London, where opponents of the war in Iraq hope to rally tens of thousands of protesters.

``I'd be happy to buy him a drink if he came in now,'' said Bill Brown, 74, sipping white wine at the Dun Cow Inn. The president stopped drinking at age 40, and would be unlikely to take up the offer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3384299,00.html
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:07 PM
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33. Scrummy Yummy
:evilgrin:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:08 PM
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35. Delicious indeed.
Maybe even scrump-delicious!
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:11 PM
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36. Bet this trip gets cancelled at last minute
This is getting uglier by the hour:evilgrin:
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #36
58. i guess this is why they tried to break the Charles scandal-- to distract
Londoners from protesting the world's stupidest and most dangerous chimp. Too bad it's not working...!
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:14 PM
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38. London to Bush: "Bring it on"


We'll be here to greet you. ;)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:27 PM
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41. We Are Not Amused! Bwaaaahahahahahahahaha...Bev returns with a bang!
Maybe Prince Charles will go on tv and deny buggering Bush? Or vice versa.

This should be a media circus of the first order. Thanks for the laugh.

Life at DU has been tame without you Bev.

Didya finish the book? I suppose Diebold will try to buy up all the copies? :)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #41
55. Finished! Ships in 10 days -- but check this out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=707279

At least one person better take me up on this. My bank account is running on empty, so at least this way I can do my part for DU. Send a message to a voting villain, a bumper sticker to a brave civilly disobedient college kid, or get a really good present for your favorite person. Check the link.

And thanks. Withdrawal was so bad I wanted to know if they made pills for it. Great to be back.

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:28 PM
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42. my regular emails with the mayor of London
Hes a really decent chap and we exchange emails once in a while. I will certainly write him and thank him for this.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Please do! So much!
:D
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Good, oh!
Nothing like a line to the mayor of London. Thanks for the anti-Bu$h words to the good mayor (or is it Lord Mayor?) of London.
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:13 AM
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107. Lord Mayor vs. Mayor
"Thanks for the anti-Bu$h words to the good mayor (or is it Lord Mayor?) of London."

Ken Livingstone is the first elected mayor of London.

The Lord Mayor is selected by the Corporation of London, and is largely a ceremonial and business promotion position.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:36 PM
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44. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:38 PM
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45. Bev was banned?
for what?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
56. I was and I deserved it. Now watch me behave myself.
.
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BigLed Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #44
59. and your point is?
?
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:53 PM
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49. Five words for Bushie
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 10:02 PM by markses
Piss off you fookin' WANKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

For ourselves, and for the future:

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #49
68. I know it's wrong but that picture CRACKS me up
:)
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #68
86. How could it be wrong when it feels so right?
:evilgrin:
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:58 PM
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51. i've friends from northern england & france traveling there to protest
there is not anything that will galvanize the europens to protest bush than him coming to europe trying to act like a statesman, while in reality acting like a war mongerer.

i think what will happen will be similar to the paris riots of '68.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:03 PM
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54. Why the hell would parliament want to listen to him talk?
Blair's at least entertaining...
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Hey, the brits have a good sense of humor---wd laff their arses off
at that dumbass
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #57
91. So True, Bush is very fun to laugh at.
I can't watch the guy without laughing. I remember this interview shown on C-Span a few weeks ago.

Reporter: Mr. President will you be making an attempt to reduce the amount of troops in Iraq next year.

Bush: Uhhh that's a trick question so I'm not going to Answer it.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:29 PM
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60. "Scrump-diddly-umptious!"
- Ned Flanders
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:38 PM
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66. Did you see Burning Bush dot org in the UK?
People are getting ready for all sorts of activities. Things have been heating up for a while now. http://www.burningbush.org.uk/
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. Wow! They're already burning Bush in effigy in the UK
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 11:41 PM by alg0912

Put George W. Bush on your Bonfire! This November 5th, people all over Britain burnt George W. Bush on their bonfires instead of Guy Fawkes. <on edit - this picture was taken in our own Vermont on that day!!!>
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:12 PM
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71. Dumb question
I've been reading great things about London's reaction to a bush visit, but when exactly is it?

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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. No such thing...
He's supposed to arrive next Tuesday.

If alqueda actually has a nuke, it could get dicey.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:14 PM
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72. Wow- so the "Liberal Media" has been in England all those years!!!
Rush the Narcotics abuser/addict forgot to tell us that detail!!!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:18 PM
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73. BEV!!!! Your back!!!!!
Wahoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! <dancing around the room>


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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:22 PM
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74. OT: WELCOME BACK!
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. I'm a "newbie" but
I've been reading for a while now and I also want to say Welcome back Bev! It's nice to see your posts again.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #77
89. Thank you, Katarina
I'm amazed at the people who have sent kind words. I had no idea they even read my posts.

I am a fan of many people here too, and need to remember to let them know. It makes a difference.

Bev
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:38 PM
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76. I think we Americans ought to plan a "HOMECOMING" for Bush
on his return from England. Just so he'll know how much we missed him...LOL!!!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. as in "Seal off the borders when he tries to get back in?"
Works for me! Although he would probably try to land in Canada, and we'd be stuck with his sorry rump.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:53 AM
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105. ROFL
Great suggestion! :evilgrin:
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:55 PM
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79. 2nd attempt at dumb question:
Seriously folks...when is this London trip???
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:58 PM
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81. Next week
..
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:59 PM
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83. IF it actually happens-
next Tuesday.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:34 AM
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87. Thanks for the info. n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:59 PM
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82. Ironic that the Brits should be teaching US how to behave like Free People
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:24 AM
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85. I've high hopes for the 'Bare Your Bum at Bush' movement
Method
George Bush is unlikely to walk around the streets kissing babies because of the large number of people that wish to blow him up. However, a 'Brits love Bush' photo-op of happy crowds greeting the man may be in the offing and it's vitally important that we rob him of such a lucrative propaganda device. By attending such gatherings (by accident or design) and ensuring that you bare your buttocks as he passes by, you either render any photos taken at that moment unusable or make a very clear indication of what Britain thinks of this bigoted warmonger.

Your Role
There are several levels of involvement to suit a number of personal situations and comfort levels. They are listed below.

Baring Your Bum

If you hear of a visit to your part of town or happen to see George W Bush, bare your arse in his general direction. Don't be afraid to wiggle it about a bit and maybe even spread your cheeks; this is a political statement you're making and you don't want to do things by halves, now do you?

Threatening To Bare Your Bum

Write to your chosen local, national or foreign newspaper and inform them that you, as a British citizen, fully intend to do your civic duty and bare your arse at George W Bush. In this same letter, you may also wish to call upon other readers to do the same.

Don't wait for the official visit; get typing and do this now. With any luck, Georgie will hear of the unwelcome reception that awaits him and decide to stay at home.

A series of links to the contact pages for major newspapers appears below to aid you in your quest. If you make it to print, please do send us a clipping for the scrapbook.
http://www.bloggerheads.com/can_weblogs/bush_bum.asp
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:05 AM
Response to Original message
92. Can you IMAGINE Bush speaking English in front of the British Parliament?
And could you imagine if they spoke out like they normally did? It would probably turn into a bloody brawl!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. Yeah, I thought of that. Did they really say "speak?"
Or did they mean mumble and act like an ignoramus?

(And if so, what genius requested this opportunity?)
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:10 PM
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113. Bush wouldn't last 20 seconds in a parliamentary debate!
You know how flustered he gets when people interrupt him or demand that he be accountable.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:05 AM
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97. My sister lives in London
She is going to the protest, and I will send a report from her when it's over. She also asked me to send her a Dean sign for her window...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:53 AM
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98. The Mass Mooning will get Immediate Attention from the World
OMG, arses everywhere.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:03 AM
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99. did you hear about "Bare Your Bum At Bush" ???
Bare Your Bum At Bush

Objective
To collectively voice our displeasure at the impending arrival of George W Bush in the UK and in doing so either sour the experience or prevent his arrival.

Background
George W. Bush has already cancelled one visit to this country because he felt more than a little unwelcome. The man is terribly secretive about state visits, but Laura Bush recently let slip that a visit to the UK is being planned sometime in autumn. Our aim is to give the man the bum's rush before he even arrives and/or show him exactly what we think of him in the finest British tradition.

Method
George Bush is unlikely to walk around the streets kissing babies because of the large number of people that wish to blow him up. However, a 'Brits love Bush' photo-op of happy crowds greeting the man may be in the offing and it's vitally important that we rob him of such a lucrative propaganda device. By attending such gatherings (by accident or design) and ensuring that you bare your buttocks as he passes by, you either render any photos taken at that moment unusable or make a very clear indication of what Britain thinks of this bigoted warmonger.



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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #99
103. LOL! Where did you find that pic?
Bare the bum at Bush -- yup, that would be hard to hide or live down, wouldn't it?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:30 AM
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104. at the site linked in my post
:hi: Bev!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:31 AM
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110. Cool.. Chap 13 used 2 of my graphics..Wow !!
I am honored.. :)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #110
111. Yes, your graphics are very entertaining
and get the point across. Thanks a million! They are also posted in the Gallery at http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:56 AM
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106. Welcome back! n/t
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:14 AM
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108. and the US media-hos will cover this?
Not likely, so as posted by Don_G
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=709007

we'll just have to watch on the internet. Chasing Bush.
http://www.interwebnet.org/

popcorn?

dp
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:47 PM
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115. They're gearing up for it
I ask all my DUers to pray that the protestors DO NOT get their hands on Bunnypants this weekend. If they do, it's (cue ominous music) PRESIDENT CHENEY!

Martin

P.S.: If DUers want to pass on messages to London protestors, post them here or e-mail them to me. I know folks in the STWC, and can get them in their hands.
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