The media assassination of Clark has already begin... Step 1. Ignore him..

[TakebackAmerica]

"Dean Has It Wrapped Up" is today's headline form venerable political analyst Stuart Rothenberg.

"At some point during the next two or three months, the Democratic presidential contest is more likely than not to turn into a two-man race between former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and someone else, probably Rep. Richard Gephardt," Stuart Rothenberg writes. "But don’t be fooled. The Democratic race is over."

Not a single mention of Clark. It's as if Clark dosen't exist.
Turn on ABC,CBS NBC,CNN,MSNBC or even FOX and there was even more mention of him BEFORE he announced!

Dean's unprecedented rise form an ignored former governer of the 49th smallest state to the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination for president is extraordinary. The media helped Dean with free TV time, magazine covers and newspaper articles.
The GOP and the Bush White House did not attack Dean. Rather the opposite is true, the were licking their lips the whole time.

If Rothenberg is correct, an unharmed Dean will "float" to the nomination with not a single negative remark from a non Demcorat. Than the Rove trap will be sprung. They will call Dean a "Northeasten elite, intelletual liberal."

By the end of the election voters will be so scared of Dean, that despite the fact they lost their job, their health care, their education system and their environment they will pull the lever for Bush.

Rove runs on fear and nothing is more fear inspiring to West Virginian coal miners than a "snobby elitist."

A Dean vs. Bush matchup would come down to the race of the two bluebloods and invariably voters will pick the blueblood with cowboy boots.


Note: This is just my opinion. Bush is in a corner now. Remember, a rat is most dangerous when in aa corner.

[xultar]

1. OK doesn't ANYONE think that is SUSPICIOUS? U gotta b kiddin...

This is how the RW is gonna do it and we've bought into it.

Actually I'm over here CRACKIN up!

Dude, I know I'm supposed to be...positive. Clark isn't going to win the nomination. Dean will win. Then Bush will win.

It's OVER!

[ithacan]

2. yup, more evidence of assassination

is the article in the latest issue of the New Yorker (no link) which really does a job on Clark...

Hard to tell if this particular bullet is from the Dems, or from the Bush administration (New Yorker acts as a conduit for Bush propaganda that is aimed at liberal East coast types).

On edit:
I think the Rovians are really underestimating two things: Dean, and the amount of dissatisfaction in this country.
Dictators often fall because they're over confident. Looks like history may repeat itself.

[xultar]

7. I am so dumfounded and speechless, WAKE up you guys!

This is it.

Sorry Clarkies...It's all about Dean. I'm changin my Avatar. Why even try. The Trap is SPRUNG, the Goose is burnt!

Clarkies, just know I'm with you in spirit. My heart will always be with the General. But it aint gonna happen in 2004.

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Don't give up! We have a year to make it so the press CANNOT ignore Clark. We have a year to work his campaign and get his name out there. We have a year to drive our cars around with Clark bumper stickers. We have a year to hand out flyers. We have a year to make him our president. Don't give up! That is playing right into the hands of the RW and their media whores.

[FrenchieCat]

19. It is a fact that Clark is being ignored,

not a myth. The following opinions are exactly what is being cooked. Those who want to be in lala land and think that Dean has not been anointed are only kidding themselves.

Here's a list of articles that helps make the case in the motivation and methods that are being and will be used:

http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/031112_AComfortingMyth.htm Right Wing media agenda for Wes Clark

http://www.arktimes.com/max/110703brantley.html Right Wing manipulation on the candidacy of Wes Clark

Another story on who's running the show of electing the Democratic candidate for the Democratic party.It's a one act play called: Dean for president: A Democratic tragedy in one act? http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?catid=1104&custid=67

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/september/10_8pp.shtml
the Push Poll against Wes Clark

http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/september/10_8pp.shtml
Who do the GOP want the Democrats to run in 2004....follow up to a push poll story from previous week

[FrenchieCat]

22. The piece in the New Yorker was slanterous,

at best.

It took a Slate reporter to "correct" the New Yorker's article: Fresh off the presses!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091194/
war stories Military analysis.
Defending the General
The New Yorker's unfair slam on Wes Clark and his role in the Kosovo war.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003, at 4:13 PM PT

Peter J. Boyer's profile in this week's New Yorker—which paints him as scarily unqualified—is an unfair portrait as well as a misleading, occasionally inaccurate précis of the 1999 Kosovo war and Clark's role in commanding it.

Boyer relies heavily on some of Clark's fellow retired Army generals who clearly despise him. The gist of their critique, as Boyer summarizes, is that Clark, while a brilliant analyst, "had a certainty about the rightness of his views which led to conflicts with his colleagues and, sometimes, his superiors."

I have met a fair number of generals, and I can't think of a single one who did not have "a certainty about the rightness of his views." There may have been a couple of one-star generals who expressed this certainty in a modest tone, but above that rank—and Clark retired as a four-star general—their confidence easily became belligerent if their opinions were challenged.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Click on the link above.....

cause there is a lot more. It is calling the New Yorker a big fat liar.......diplomatically, almost.

[Bucky]

3. Ha-ha!! Glorious typo, my friend!!!

Remember, a rat is most dangerous when in aa corner

What a great typo! But I believe AA is usually capitalized. And our Commander in Chimp isn't actually in formal recovery.

[neuvocat]

4. Anticipation notwithstanding

its still pretty likely at this point that Dean can get the nomination.

That can change of course before the primaries even begin so its awfully foolish to say that the nomination "wrapped up" by Dean or by anyone for that matter.

[FrenchieCat]

28. It is foolish........a bit more than anyone should be ....but

I think that this is what the whores want folks to think, for now, anyway. It's all about ratings for them. They may bring Clark up again, when Dean and his endorsements get boring and Gephardt pulls out. They keep bringing up Gephardt as the "foe" of Dean. I guess if they are only talking Iowa, they are correct. But they don't say Iowa.

In addition, they are not speaking Clark's name, even as he leads in California, Georgia and So. Carolina. They will as soon as they see his numbers drop. But then, it will be to say that his numbers have tumbled and he is fading.

It's all pre-plan....but the plan is about to blow up in their faces.

Holbrooke, Soros, Rubin, Baucus, Wiener, Breaux, Lincoln, Prior and Rangler did not endorse a loser. Neither did Calpundit, Political Aims, Tough Democrat, Bartcop.....

We shall see my friends.....

First, let him get his first commercial aired.....pretty good for a nobody, to place above Dean in most national polls, all while fading for the last month according to the media.

[Closer]

5. Clark

hasn't given them reason to cover him... yet.


But I must say, I disagree with you. I read 3-4 newspapers a day, and not a day goes by I don't see SOMETHING on Clark in at least one of them.

Look how much attention Clark got in Sept. Everyone thought he was going to be the new sensation.

But his campaign has just flopped.


The glitter has fallen to the ground.


A pretty face (and he DOES have one) can only do so much.

[Mz Pip]

10. Uh, Clark's still

ahead in the National polls. Hardly flopping.

MzPip
:dem:

[neuvocat]

11. Do you have that link, btw?

I've been trying to find it all day and just see a reference to it on his site. Thanks.

[TakebackAmerica]

15. RollCall

You have to pay to subscribe. I found it on Politicalwire.com

[FrenchieCat]

23. Here is the WSJ article.....showing the poll numbers -

You have to subscribe:
This is the only paragraph citing the figures for that particular poll:
By JOHN HARWOOD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
---------

The survey showed a close national race among
Democrats, led at 17% by Mr. Clark, who entered the
race in a blaze of publicity in September. Following
closely behind with 15% among likely Democratic
primary voters was Mr. Dean, who leads in the first
primary state of New Hampshire and Wednesday picked up
the powerful endorsements of the Service Employees
International Union and the American Federation of
State, County and Municipal Employees. Among other
candidates, Mr. Gephardt received 12%, followed by
Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Joseph Lieberman
of Connecticut at 11%, and John Edwards of North
Carolina at 5%.

[FrenchieCat]

32. Just because the whores have given Dean

all of the limelight doesn't mean that Clark aint' been busy now! Sure Dean got the endorsements....and that's great. But Clark is working it in a different way. It's not about grabbing headlines for him. It's about being methodological in his campaign approach. It's about campaigning under radar, in spite of the whores.

http://www.theworld.org/latesteditions/20031113.shtml
on NPR today, take a listen.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001790151_clark13.html
Clark urges US to focus on Al-Qaita
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?tl=1&display=rednews/2003/11/12/build/state/70-baucusclark.inc
Baucus endorses Clark
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cclark13nov13,0,2699922.story?coll=sfla-news-broward
Clark's Florida campaign revs up with new director
http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2003/11/13/opinion/opinion1.txt
Issues, expertise make Clark real contender
http://www.msnbc.com/news/990895.asp?0cv=KB20
correction of Newsweek mistake where they initially claimed that Howard Dean fared the best in beating Bush...when the poll numbers they printed showed that Wes Clark actually took that honor.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1068555
The last paragraph:Women dies and last wish is to oust Bush. Donations to be given to Clark campaign
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1103/109762.html
Clarkies helping a Lone Deniac at Arkansas U. Free Speech zone issu
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/11/clark_targets_veteran_issues/
Clark Targets Veteran Issues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3374630,00.html
Clark may appeal to S.C. Veterans
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1103/109713.html
Clark's campaign expect to close year with 10 million
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/Tue/31111GENCLARKHERE.html
Clark blast Veteran's Care
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,61142,00.html
Clark Campaign to debut Big Blog
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/politics/main582459.shtml
Gen. Clark's Promise On Iraq
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/politics/article/0,1299,DRMN_35_2416488,00.html
Clark blasts Bush, wooing Colo. Dems
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/state_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2419_2416493,00.html
Clark: U.S. needs new commander-in-chief
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~1756590,00.html
Clark draws 850 at Denver stopover
http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2003/11/07/news/news1.txt
Candidate Clark reaches out to family of dead soldier, attacks Bush policy in Iraq
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7203160.htm
Clark says Bush Lacks Lacks Iraq Strategy
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1103/07clark.html
Clark wants NATO to take role in Iraq
http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/reuters20031106_38.html
Clark says U.S. must resist Early Iraq Strategy
http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/11/06/2003110618443.htm
Clark visits state, outlines Iraq plan

[FrenchieCat]

33. Maybe you are only looking for Dean Articles?????

all of the limelight doesn't mean that Clark aint' been busy now! Sure Dean got the endorsements....and that's great, and it's all over the national news.

But Clark is working it in a different way. It's not about grabbing headlines for him. It's about being methodological in his campaign approach. It's about campaigning under radar, in spite of the whores.

http://www.theworld.org/latesteditions/20031113.shtml
on NPR today, take a listen.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001790151_clark13.html
Clark urges US to focus on Al-Qaita
http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?tl=1&display=rednews/2003/11/12/build/state/70-baucusclark.inc
Baucus endorses Clark
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-cclark13nov13,0,2699922.story?coll=sfla-news-broward
Clark's Florida campaign revs up with new director
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/po/20031113/co_po/wesleyclarkdetailsprogaystances
Clark details pro gay stance
http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2003/11/13/opinion/opinion1.txt
Issues, expertise make Clark real contender
http://www.msnbc.com/news/990895.asp?0cv=KB20
correction of Newsweek mistake where they initially claimed that Howard Dean fared the best in beating Bush...when the poll numbers they printed showed that Wes Clark actually took that honor.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1068555
The last paragraph:Women dies and last wish is to oust Bush. Donations to be given to Clark campaign
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1103/109762.html
Clarkies helping a Lone Deniac at Arkansas U. Free Speech zone issu
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/11/clark_targets_veteran_issues/
Clark Targets Veteran Issues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3374630,00.html
Clark may appeal to S.C. Veterans
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1103/109713.html
Clark's campaign expect to close year with 10 million
http://www.azstarnet.com/star/Tue/31111GENCLARKHERE.html
Clark blast Veteran's Care
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,61142,00.html
Clark Campaign to debut Big Blog
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/politics/main582459.shtml
Gen. Clark's Promise On Iraq
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/politics/article/0,1299,DRMN_35_2416488,00.html
Clark blasts Bush, wooing Colo. Dems
http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/state_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2419_2416493,00.html
Clark: U.S. needs new commander-in-chief
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~1756590,00.html
Clark draws 850 at Denver stopover
http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2003/11/07/news/news1.txt
Candidate Clark reaches out to family of dead soldier, attacks Bush policy in Iraq
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/7203160.htm
Clark says Bush Lacks Lacks Iraq Strategy
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1103/07clark.html
Clark wants NATO to take role in Iraq
http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/reuters20031106_38.html
Clark says U.S. must resist Early Iraq Strategy
http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/11/06/2003110618443.htm
Clark visits state, outlines Iraq plan

[FrenchieCat]

34. The attention he got even then

was not positive....Iraq flip/flop, Resolution flip/flop, Repug praising, He is a real Democrat?, a time traveler?, a war criminal? Hillary's stalking horse, Generals don't like him, etc...

so when those issues didn't do him in....they changed tactic to ignore.

[Clark Can WIN]

51. Once again............ Closer........ do you have like

a fucking alarm that goes off in your house whenever any thread containing the word Clark in it shows up on DU?

Seriously. Because here you are again.

I imagine a flashing red light that goes into action on your ceiling, and a piercing, bone jarring scream of a siren that says CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK CLARK

And then you rush in with foam on your lips.

[eileen_d]

53. Oh, it's set for Kerry too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=84494

Apparently Dean is the one and only decent candidate in the running. I Feel So Dirty...

[quaker bill]

6. Clark was on with Tweety tonight

He did an excellent job explaining his "success plan" for Iraq. It was cogent, complete, and well presented. Tweety actually allowed him to get it out without the usual interruptions.

I think you are quite off base on Dean. I do not think he is any more vulnerable than any other potential democratic candidate. Rove has plans for all of them.

The only hope for any of our candidates will be for them to meet fire with fire.

[slinkerwink]

13. I agree....

none of the nine Dem candidates will be untouched by Rove if they get to be the nominee---they'll get the same thing as Dean will if he gets the nomination.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Clark has been busy

Giving policy speeches, attending fund raisers and discussing serious issues like the Iraq war, Finding Bin Laden, Why should Bush not be accountable for 9/11?, Visiting wounded soldiers in hospitals, and visiting families of the dead.

If you read Clark's foreign policy speech, you will find that Senator Binden is quoting most of it (and of course not giving attribution as usual). And also Bush is changing is course, and adopting some of Clark's policies as well.

Actually even the Republican Senators, such as Lugar, are also stealig bits and pieces.

Powell even agreed that Iraqi don't need a constitution before America leaves.

Clark is a true leader, and his policies are being used, even as he a candidate.

Dean has been too busy being the media darling. His foreign policy appears to be to have Clark on his ticket as the vice president. Wrong move on his part. It also seems to be his southern strategy. So sad.;-)

[Clark Can WIN]

52. No kidding! I've never heard that much quiet from Tweety.

[bleedingheart]

8. I am going to vote Straight Ticket Democratic when Nov of 2004

rolls around doesn't matter who is on the ticket. I would vote a horny aardvark in as president to get rid of the evil vermin running the country now.

That said... I worry about the way the media is trying to pit Clarkies, Deanies, Kerryies, Kucinichies, Braunies, Sharptonies,Gephardties and Liebermannies against each other...
even the environment on this board bothers me at times when the vitriol start bubbling up.

I just hope that we remember that the removal of * is essential and that no matter who gets the nomination we all come together after the primary, have a beer and start moving forward to victory.

[MercutioATC]

20. Does that make you a "Horny Aardvark Democrat"?

I think it's a nice update to "Yellow Dog Democrat". Let's see if we can get it to catch on...

[Clark Can WIN]

54. Horny Ardvarks 4 President !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah baby, yeah..............

[slinkerwink]

9. uh,.......Dean isn't wholly unharmed....

he's been really hurt by the flag gaffes, and his stands on medicare ten years ago that's been twisted by Gephardt and his lead in Iowa is gone down a couple of points behind Gephardt. Dean, however, was saved by Jesse Jackson, Jr., and by the double endorsements of the AFSCME and the SEIU, both racially diverse unions. In my opinion, the Democrat candidates are attacking Dean as viciously as Bush himself will do in the general election. So far, Dean's defeated each meme that's popped up, and he's still ahead in the pack. Why? Because he works his butt off to win.

[Shakespeare]

12. Just to counter the voices of doom...

Clark is most certainly NOT out of the race yet, and neither is Dean, Kerry, Edwards, and maybe even Gephardt. Much as we love the "bottom tier" candidates, we all know they're not likely to last past February, so I won't wax optimistic about them in this post. However, any of the candidates polling within the margin of error of each other are most definitely still in the game.

Take deep breaths....donate and volunteer, and let's not be fatalistic about ANY of our candidates just yet.

:hi:

p.s. I think it's also a little premature to say whether it was a bad OR good decision for Clark to forego public financing. Just because Dean decided to opt out, that doesn't necessarily define the issue for all of the other candidates, and I believe Clark can opt out later if he so chooses. Big picture, folks. Try to look at the big picture.

[pruner]

27. Clark will not have another chance to opt-out… unless he's the nominee

the next decision regarding public financing comes after the nominating convention… but whoever the nominee is won't be opting out because there's not enough time between the convention and the general election to exceed the public fundarising cap (which is $74 million).

even Bush will be taking matching funds for the general election.

[Octafish]

14. Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean

Just like all Dean's ever done as a Democrat: Talk talk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk alk talk talk and act like a Republican and blame the cockroaches who point it out.

[slinkerwink]

17. Kerry says.....

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash Dean bash

And where has that got Kerry now?

[Hippo_Tron]

18. I'm not sure... what does the latest poll say?

I'm curious

[FrenchieCat]

35. Clark is on top by at least 2 points on all of them

except the CNN poll....which of course is the network that has really shut him out. I have to find the links...will do on edit. He came out on top on ABC & NBC/WSJ ones. Clark Beats Bush best....3 pts diff, Dean v. Bush, 9 pts difference......

Now, I have to cook dinner.

After dinner, will locate polls and add at end of post.

[Octafish]

30. Did you even read my post?

LOL!

[gulliver]

16. Clark has the whole hour on MTP this Sunday

He is actually doing quite well with the media. I agree that Clark is sometimes ignored in the national press. I find that difficult to explain given the fact that he is in first or second nationally depending on the poll.

[OKNancy]

21. Rothenburg isn't perfect

and just because he says something doesn't make it so.

For fun I looked up this : he said GW wasn't right-wing

STUART ROTHENBERG: I think he's more conservative than his father. I think stylistically, he's a country club Republican, a downtown business crowd Republican, not one of the evangelical right Republicans. He really is well positioned for the party, both for the nomination and I think even better as a general election candidate.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media/jan-june99/bush_6-14.html

Wrong Stuart!!

----
Also he has his idea about Clark already worked out. He is what he said before Clark entered. He's made up his mind and he's sticking to it.

Washington, D.C.: Any idea if Wesley Clark is going to jump into the fray? I have the feeling he could be George Bush's worst nightmare. Brains & Leadership in one package!!!!!

Stuart Rothenberg: It sure sounds as if he will be running. He has a great profile, but politics is partly about organization. He would need supporters on the ground in early primary and caucus states and he'd need to raise six or eight million dollars very quickly. He starts too far behind for my taste.

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/r_metro_levey091603.htm

[mzmolly]

24. I'm a Dean supporter, but I resent this very much..

:( People have a long time to make up their minds.

[qanda]

25. I lie to you not...

I said this exact thing to my husband the other day. I said that they are completely ignoring Clark. They used to dog him all the time, but now they don't even have negative stories about him. It's amazing how they work!

[FrenchieCat]

29. BushCo. are forced

To have to do it now.....before it's too late. Lord knows what Bush would do if the General made it to the "General's" election.

[unfrigginreal]

36. One thing is certain...Clark wins the tinfoil hat support hands down!

Tell your candidate that if he wants to get on the news, to make some. Christ, the news media did everything in their power to annoint him the frontrunner the day he announced. Weeks of 24/7 coverage of Clark and what did he do with it, nothing.

He had the AFSCME endorsement all but locked up and what does his campaign do? They piss them off by pulling out of the Iowa caucuses. Did it occur to anyone in the CLark campaign that he could have pulled out without announcing it?

Clark supporters need to look beyond the conspiracy theories if they ever expect him to be in a position to win the nomination. The campaign definitely needs to make some adjustments.

As a Dean supporter, it cracks me up to hear other candidates supporters bitch and moan about press coverage. They must have awfully short memories if they think that Dean's coverage was always so great. The difference is, we Dean supporters rallied around our candidate as the press bashed him and his campaign got stronger for it.

[Trek234]

38. Clark has looser written all over him

His campaign has been nothing but blunder after blunder. Rove will tear him to pieces should he get the nomination. We have better chances running Lieberman if he could get his propaganda together as well as the Clark supporters have.

[FrenchieCat]

45. Should he ride in on a horse

to say, Meet the Press.....(11/16)

Or the Letterman Show (appearance 11/20)

Hey, that would be pretty cool! Bush can't ride horses!

[Trek234]

37. Excellent

The more Clark is destroyed by the media the closer we come to taking back the WH in 04.

[eileen_d]

39. The more we "loose," the more we win, eh?

What's your philosophy, exactly... "The media should destroy all Democrats that aren't my candidate?"

[Trek234]

42. Nope

Just clark and (in theory) Lieberman if he wasn't getting less of the vote than "other" on some polls.

Clark is a sure loss in 04. If Clark is the nominee it will be over before it begins. In this case you are totally right - the more Clark looses the more we win.

[eileen_d]

43. "Clark is a sure loss in 2004"

Care to elaborate?

[Trek234]

44. Sure

Here is how we know that Clark is a sure loss.

1. He is a political novice. I don't care what kind of military experience (Clarkie response number one to this point) he has - I'm not risking another four years of Bush on a person with ZERO political experience. The same way I wouldn't bet against a pro athelete going against someone who hasn't seen a gym in 20 years.

2. He votes republican. I firmly believe the ONLY reason he voted Clinton/Gore (or so he claims) is because he could see a position in those administrations. Sorry, but this shoots to hell the argument that Clark is an intelligent person. If you can't see the problem with Nixon/Reagan then your intelligence is greatly over rated.

3. He supports the Bush administration. He has praised these people before. This totally destroys any argument he has that he "seen the light" since his voting for Nixon/Reagan. He STILL likes these kinds of people. Unless it can benefit him not to, that is.

4. He is an oppurtunist. (this feeds in to part of number 2 regarding his reason for voting Clinton/Gore) I firmly believe that if he was offered to run say, as Bush's running mate in 04, he would have jumped at the chance. This is even by his own admission had Rove returned his call.* He would have also been campaigning for Bush (not hard to believe considering he was doing so before he announced) if he was assured some other position. (this is quite possibly the reason he delayed claiming to be a democrat for some long) * Even IF this was a "joke" to even SUGGEST it must mean that the thought was going through his head. And for a guy who is already under suspicion for related issues is ungodly stupid. Again, this shows his novice nature. He doesn't know when to close his mouth.

5. He is either a stealth republican OR something other than a democrat. (this feeds in to point 4) The fact is that he is not comitted to the principles of this party, and as such he has no business running on the democratic ticket. If you are a democrat (worthy of the support of the party) you will support what the party supports. We have too many Liebermans/Millers as it is.

6. Clark wants to bring back the draft. Oh of course... I mean his 'community service' plan, (that conveniently allows for forced military duty) or whatever he is spinning it as now. This is an instant land slide democratic loss position.

7. He until recently was fundraising/campaigning for republicans. This is an automatic disqualify.

8. He says nothing original. Everything he has said so far seems to be copy/paste from another Democratic candidate. He probably delayed getting in the race just to have material to work with... (and no I don't mean that literally)

9. He can't focus on real/legit issues. His BS about capturing Bin Laden is just a recent example. So he has a plan that will allow him to capture Bin Laden huh? Bull sh*t.

10. And for god sakes the guy STILL doesn't even have a complete take on all the issues on his official web site. He should just link to Deans platform and claim it as his own. It would be less pathetic.

[FrenchieCat]

46. The sure loser is not Clark....

Dean is the one mentioning Clark as his VP....as Clark is Deans Foreign Relations policy and his Southern Policy, and his Patriotic badge, and his military experience.

You blinders are starting to put marks on the side of you head.

[FrenchieCat]

47. Again,

Dean' Strategy is Clark as VP for Dean's Foreign policy, military experience, southern strategy, and patriotic badge.

Now, that's sad!

[eileen_d]

48. Congratulations!

You have just summarized the anti-Clark sentiment on DU. Your ten points add up to nothing in my book, as they are all subjective interpretations. He may "loose" your vote, but he'll get plenty of others to balance that one out.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

40. I'm a Dean supporter and a Clark supporter - I have to agree

they are totally ignoring Clark. He's ahead in some of the National polls and is 1 point behind Dean in others. He's poised to win the S Carolina primary. Also to come in 1st or 2nd in dozens of the other primaries. It is very bizarre that they talk about how the race will be between Dean and Gephardt or Dean and Kerry EVEN Dean and Edwards NO mention of Clark at all.

[Fleshdancer]

41. yep.

Clark is being ignored right now. I remember when Dean was ignored too. It's definately the first step.

Although I'm a Deaniac, I must say...that Clark guy is pretty awesome. I wish he would have jumped in the ring sooner though, because it's awfully late in the game to be reaching the ignored stage. Hopefully Clark will pull off some great Q4 numbers (the media responds to $$).

However, the national polls look pretty good for Clark right now so here's my question: Political pundits don't neccessarily assume that Clark could win Iowa or New Hampshire, so what is the expectation of Clark? To win South Carolina? What's the game plan of this campaign? Is he going to attempt 2nd place for New Hampshire? 3rd for Iowa??

[tedoll78]

50. Bingo.

If he can manage to come in second place to Dean's 1st in 4th quarter numbers, I can easily see the media molding this into a Dean-versus-Clark drama. It'd be a shock to see a 14-week-old campaign beat contenders who have been in the game for a much longer time.

[Fleshdancer]

56. He needs a double whammy

If Clark takes 2nd to Dean in Q4$ and shows very positive poll numbers either nationally or for South Carolina (or both obviously), then he'll remain in the race.

edit: grammer issues

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

49. race of the two bluebloods

"A Dean vs. Bush matchup would come down to the race of the two bluebloods and invariably voters will pick the blueblood with cowboy boots."

So true.

[TakebackAmerica]

57. Thanks.

[SEAburb]

58. But the other blueblood is wearing a stethoscope, isn't that better //nt

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[Langis]

55. I was just going to make a post about this

Just watched Faux new with Bit Hume :puke:

They were talking about the Democratic candidates. They talked for 5 mins about Dean/Kerry/Gep/Lieberman/Edwards not ONE mention of Clark. They acted like he doesn't exist. They are scared shitless of Clark, and they will not give him any airtime. This is really making me sick.

[depakid]

59. Oh hooey- things ebb and flow

part of managing a successful campaign is staging events designed to put your candidate in the limelight when it' in his best interest to be there. Right now, the focus is on Dean & Kerry.

Wait a week. Some event will happen and Clark will be getting plenty of press again.

[ajacobson]

60. One thing to say--

Tuesday, March 2, 2004

That's when this will be decided. Up to that point, everybody's in the game.

[HFishbine]

61. I'm a Deanie

But too smart to rest easy on bullshit like this. Nobody has it wrapped up. In fact, there are a number of realistic scenarios one can imagine that have us going to the convention with no clear winner. That's not probable, but Gephardt, Edwards, Kerry, Clark and Dean are still very much in it.

As for the Dean as a scarry elitist crap, that's just as valid as Clark as Clinton's boy, Gephardt as Bush-lite, Kerry as warmonger, or Edwards as trial lawyer shill.

[veganwitch]

62. welcome to dennis's world

hes not even talked about anymore as one of the candidates that has no chance (sharpton and mosley-braun).

wesley/dennis solidarity.