Lieberman uses confederate flag in new ad

[quinnox]

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman, trailing his major rivals in New Hampshire, takes a few soft swipes at front-runner Howard Dean in a new television ad that began airing Friday.

"I don't think it's right to have raised a divisive symbol like the confederate flag. Or to give up on principles like limiting the amount of money in campaigns," Lieberman says in the commercial

He doesn't name Dean, but the subject is clear. The former Vermont governor recently came under fire for saying he wanted to be the candidate of Southern whites who drive pickup trucks with the Confederate flag. Dean also rejected public financing and the accompanying spending limits during the primary.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=694&e=1&u=/ap/20031114/ap_on_el_pr/lieberman_ads

This surprised me. I didn't think the flag would be used this early in ads.

I guess Lieberman after easing up on Dean for a few weeks, is back as the anti-Dean.

[the_real_38]

What a Scumbag!

What Dean said was absolutely true - this is pure symbolic warfare.

[alexwcovington]

1. *soft* swipes?

Sounds like they're still trying to nail him.

[CPschem]

2. Lieberman's such a prick

n/t

[bushisanidiot]

3. Does Lieberman Plan On Choosing Zell Miller for his VP?

lieberman's a friggin' repuke. This just seals it. This is a Rove talking point and Joe has just outed himself.

[MercutioATC]

20. It would fit: Gore is to Lieberman as Lieberman is to Zell Miller

It's like an S.A.T. question.

[RetroLounge]

4. Cue the Dean Bashers 5-4-3-2-1

Here they come now, gleefulling eating their own.

Wait, they would have to agree with Joe.

That'll make for soem interesting logic leaps, as usual.

_|_ right at them...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. Pardon me but some of us don't consider Dean "our own"

he's got a ways to go yet before we will even consider him. And I thought dissent was patriotic?

[RetroLounge]

24. Dean is a Democrat. That makes him one of us.

Are you saying Dean is Not a Democrat.

or are you saying you are not a Democrat.

Please elaborate.

Thank you.

[WilliamPitt]

25. So is Clark, Kerry, Lieberman, Gephart, Edwards, Braun, Kucinich, Sharpton

If we could live by that rule, we'd all be a lot more peaceful around here.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. No: Lieberman, Gephart, Clark, Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, Kucinich, Braun

in order of undeserved vitriol they get here. :)

[Forkboy]

28. Do you even support a candidate?

The only name you seem to know is Dean's.

[blm]

31. Well, another Deanie is pushing this meme about Kerry

being a CORRUPT Washington insider. Kerry corrupt? The ONE man who has exposed MORE government corruption than ANY other lawmaker in modern history. THAT'S the Dean campaign?

The thread goes on and claims its OK for Dean to lie about Kerry like this, because it's part of the game. He actually DEFENDS lying about Kerry as a campaign tactic.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=84177&mesg_id=84456&page=

" Issues are irrelevant in a political campign.

Only the perception matters. Kerry is a Bush enabler and corrupt Washington insider. In case you had not noticed, that is the current great sin in politics. Being an insider, "typical politician." By 2008, it may be something else, but right now that is THE worst thing a candidate can be seen as. Kerry is seen as such, and therefore his campaign is dead..."

[David__77]

5. Feh!

Who cares what he says? Does he REALLY think he has a chance to become president?

[the_real_38]

15. No, he doesnt' but...

... it's clear that he's just trying to inflict damage on the front-runner. This is probably the DLC's doing - they don't want to see Dean take away their control of the party.

[Rose Siding]

6. Well he couldn't criticize Bush

now could he?

[mrgorth]

7. Tavis Smiley

Dean was on Tavis' show last night and quickly and easily got through the flag thing. Tavis agreed with him completely. I can't believe our own people are going to act like this is more than it was.

[Eloriel]

11. Oh, they are, they are going to. And what totally outrages me

about that isn't that they're making a big deal of an issue they CAN pounce on, but that they're playing wedge politics, JUST LIKE REPUGS DO, in the process.

It horrifies and appalls me.

Eloriel

[sangh0]

16. OMG!! Politicians are using *GASP* "wedge issues"

Who would've thought those honorable politicians would do that?!!!

[eissa]

8. Asshole n/t

[Hep]

9. Fine with me

If Lieberman is attacking us, we MUST be on the right track.

[tom_paine]

10. Lieberman, the ultimate seelout and weak-kneed Quisling

NOTE: I'm Jewish myself

I could very easily see him swaggering around Auschwitz, proudly wielding the club his Nazi Masters gave him as a symbol of authority.

[CMT]

12. this will back fire on Lieberman

imo.

[sangh0]

18. Of course it will

but it will also hurt Dean

[wtmusic]

13. I don't fucking believe this

What a worthless wuss. Get an idea of your own, you scumbag.

[tridim]

14. Why is Lieberman even wasting money on negative ads

He has zero chance of winning and he knows it. Going negative does nothing for his campaign and ends up just hurting the party. I think he gets his rocks off by being a prick.

[Upfront]

27. He Works For

the DLC. He was there candidate but now reduced to this kind or stuff in an effort to stop Dean. These DLC boys don't want to be kicked away from the trough of big money donations. Sad day to be a Democrat!

[Elidor]

19. This is kind of funny

I wonder if Lieberman thinks he's going for the black vote. Suddenly I have this mental image of Lieberman dancing to 'Smack my Bitch Up.' Whew! Need more coffee to clear the cobwebs.

[Kolesar]

21. You folks should write a polite note to Joe's campaign

Tell him this is inappropriate at the least.

[HFishbine]

22. 4% 4% 4% 4%

Hey, Joe. You know what that number is don't you? Think this ad is going to get you up to 5?

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. An in-your-face parade.

It could be the chili I'm eating, but an image just flashed before my eyes. If it does come down to Dean and we have no other choice but to unite to fight off Bush and our clueless, selfish, self-interested Republican brethern; then picture thousands of minorities taking to the streets waving confederate flags -- showing that they will set aside long-standing disagreements and unite with their former opponents in order to avoid a second term of Bush.

But then again, maybe it's the chili.

[HFishbine]

30. Put down the spoon and step away from the bowl

You obviously have some moldy beans in your chili.

[Jacobin]

29. but but but but: Holy Joe:

I thought you said Dean was TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO liberal!!!


WTF are you smoking you sick sack of shit?

[Classical_Liberal]

32. If he doesn't think it is right why did he use it in his ad?

?

[HFishbine]

34. Damn Good Point !!!

Why don't you e-mail the LIEberman campaing and ask them?

[Terwilliger]

33. Lieberman should really quit

he's got less than no chance