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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:05 PM
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new CBS News poll results
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 05:08 PM by pruner
"Who would you like to see the Democratic Party nominate as its presidential candidate in 2004, or someone else?"

Howard Dean 14%
Richard Gephardt 12%
Wesley Clark 9%
Joe Lieberman 9%
John Kerry 7%
Carol Moseley Braun 4%
Al Sharpton 3%
John Edwards 2%
Dennis Kucinich 2%
Other (vol.) 15%
Don't know 23%
 

"From what you have heard or read, can you name any of the candidates running for the 2004 Democratic nomination for president?"

"If “Yes”: "Who is the first one who comes to mind?"


Yes, can name a candidate 55%
Howard Dean 21%
Wesley Clark 9%
John Kerry 9%
Richard Gephardt 4%
Joe Lieberman 2%
John Edwards 2%
Dennis Kucinich 2%
Al Sharpton 2%
Carol Moseley Braun 1%
Hillary Clinton 1%
Other 2%
No, can't name a candidate 45%


Nov 10-13, 2003. N=376 likely Democratic primary voters nationwide.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:06 PM
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1. Look at the "Other" & "Don't Know's"
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 05:07 PM by Cush
With those numbers that high, it's hard to say who's in the lead
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:18 PM
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5. Do a Nexis search and see who the media talks about the most
and then compare the numbers.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:07 PM
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2. The CBS "we do whatever the RNC and Hate radio tells us" Network,,,
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 05:10 PM by Dr Fate
...forgive me if I consdier everything handed to me by Bush/media as suspect or an out-right fabrication...

...how do we know the RNC or Micheal Reagan did not ORDER CBS execs to fabricate this poll? After all, they are apparently control CBS's political content...

I did not even read the poll- I saw that it was from a known pro-Bush organ, so I immediatley considered it worthless. Sorry.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:17 PM
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4. That's what I've been sayin but nobody wants to believe me...
Just take away the fact that I'm a Clark supporter.

What about Bush's polls...who are the idiots that still believe Iraq is going well.

These polls are FIXED. I'd only believe polls from the DNC.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:21 PM
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8. Seriously, how do we know the RNC did not call CBS and order this poll?
Or anything else on CBS.

The Reagan movie fiasco is documented proof that CBS does what ever he RNC or a talk radio hosts ORDERS then to do. How do I know this poll or anything else on CBS was not he result of an RNC phone call?

I did not even read the poll, wwhy should I care what CBS/RNC/Micheal Reagan thinks...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:28 PM
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11. I'm a Dean supporter, and I agree
Lieberman would have been at the top of the list for the second question IF the poll had been genuine. Far more people have heard of Lieberman and Gephardt than of Dean. Still, even though the RNC seems to be pushing for a Dean win, I think their plan will ultimately backfire on them. Dean, Clark and Kerry are all, IMHO, perfectly capable of defeating Bush* (given an uncorruptable system of voting machines).
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:36 PM
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13. I did not base my assesment on the poll results, but on the bias...
...that CBS has. Until they start taking editorial advice from the DNC and Mike Moore or Mike Malloy like they do from the RNC and Mike Reagan, then they are highly suspect...

I never bash other candidates, and I challenge anyone to dig up even one single post where i have not DEFENDED what ever candidate is being discussed...

This is about BOYCOTTING CBS and telling them so...

We have proof that CBS takes advice from the RNC and hate-radio, so I'm not giving them the slightest benifit of the doubt...I refuse to watch their network or read their articles...
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:42 PM
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21. HaHa, this is stupid
Why would anyone have heard of Gepthardt? Who was the Democratic leader before Gepthardt? Who can name the leader now?

Why would CBS, who was one of two polls that predicted Gore would take the popular vote - other being Zogby, let the RNC do their polls for them?

Dean is leading. That's the reality of the situation. Not some conspiracy. Just a fact.

Why do people hold on to this fixation that Dean can't win? He does as well as anybody else in the polls against Bush.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:12 PM
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3. Actually that shows a lot of progress
last time a poll like this came out the majority
couldn't name a candidate .

It is still early , this is good news :bounce: IMHO
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:18 PM
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6. I agree.
People are starting to pay some marginal attention, at last. :bounce:
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:19 PM
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7. Yup, 55% of Democratic voters -- that's progress
It's LAME, but it's a damn sight better than 30% or whatever the fuck it was last time.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:23 PM
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9. Wake up people- CBS is an unreliable source...
...they do what ever the RNC tells them to do- we have documented proof.

All their mateial should be boycotted as suspect information...

Any network that folds to the RNC and Micheal Reagan does not deserve even 1% of my trust or benifit of the doubt.

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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:25 PM
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10. post link to documented proof or…
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:30 PM
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12. CBS pulled the Reagan movie at the request of the RNC and Micheal Reagan
Were you in a cave when that story came out? Google it yourself, there are plenty of stories on it.

Apparently Micheal Reagan and the RNC are part of CBS's editorial board- or at least CBS does whatever they tell them to do.

Sorry- I did not even read the poll, the RNC probably told CBS what to put in it...

Dont get pissed at me-it's quite obvious now that the CBS is biased- do they ever take requests form the DNC??? Try and find a link for THAT!!!

I wish CBS was what it used to be, but I'm boycotting and ridiculing them for their direct ties to the RNC.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:57 PM
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16. What is it with you and CBS?
I mean, you've posted your opinion five times in this thread. I kinda like CBS News, as network news goes.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:01 PM
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17. Just making a point & reminding people, that is all...
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 06:03 PM by Dr Fate
...If the execs at CBS let the RNC and talk radio control them in one instance, then it is highly suspect to happen in other instances.

At the very least, CBS execs seemed to think that not offending the Right Wing Republican base was more important than integrity...at the very worst, they are highly sympathetic to the GOP viewpoint/goals...
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:08 PM
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19. I'm sorry
could you remind me again? I'm not sure I get it yet.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:10 PM
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20. If there is an error of fact, or a flaw in my logic, point it out...
...I always admit it when I realize I'm wrong. I dont think I am...
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:40 PM
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14. Congrats, pruner.
you're the first to hit my permanent ignore list.

To fellow Kucinich supporters, if this guy pulls out an old lie, please do me the courtesy of pointing it out because I've just plain had enough of diplomacy that I get slapped in the face for.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:44 PM
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22. oh no… whatever will I do
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 06:53 PM by pruner
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 07:00 PM
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23. I wont ignore you!!!
I cant stand that- Either agree with a person or debate

...but I never undstood the "ignore" button...you should take the good w/ the bad...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:06 PM
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18. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
Love your little emoticon. :)
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:44 PM
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15. Ouch--Bush at 49%
Look out North Korea.
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