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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:19 AM
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We must now recall a GOP governor
this is war. They've struck, we strike back.

Pawlenty would be best...
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:26 AM
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1. Agreed
If a Republican is able to steal the office, I think that we should start a recall drive before his damned innagural day. 3-time felon Issa wouldn't stand a chance.

And yes, I'll volunteer lots of time to gathering signatures.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:26 AM
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2. Texas and Florida are great starts!!!!
I like the way you think.
Rub it right back in their faces!!!

:bounce:
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nono Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:27 AM
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3. Recall
My top pick is jeb bush.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:27 AM
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4. Florida doesn't have recall provisions
Minnesota does, and that's all I know.

I wonder if Montana does...
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:38 AM
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22. that would be lovely but..
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 01:38 AM by leftyandproud
florida isn't in NEARLY as bad shape as CA. Jeb may be cutting programs...but the job loss is minimal by comparison last I heard
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:28 AM
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5. If we get stuck with a repuke in California,
lets start a recall for him. A bad precedent is being set. Also I can't stand Kempthorne of Idaho either.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:30 AM
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6. MONTANA
Might be a symbolic effort. Martz will probably lose the general next year IF she survives the primary (she might since she has 4 challengers in her own party).

She is terribly unpopular though, and her low ratings actually ARE her fault. I will check out the Montana constitution online and see if there are any recall provisions.

In the meantime, check out her unofficial website.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:37 AM
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9. Her approval rating was around 20%
In the last poll I saw. My staunch republican mother hates her.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:52 AM
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15. NO constitutional provision for recall in Montana
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 12:54 AM by DinoBoy
There is a provision for impeachment however:

Article V, Section 13. Impeachment.
(1) The governor, executive officers, heads of state departments, judicial officers, and such other officers as may be provided by law are subject to impeachment, and upon conviction shall be removed from office. Other proceedings for removal from public office for cause may be provided by law.
(2) The legislature shall provide for the manner, procedure, and causes for impeachment and may select the senate as tribunal.
(3) Impeachment shall be brought only by a two-thirds vote of the house. The tribunal hearing the charges shall convict only by a vote of two-thirds or more of its members.
(4) Conviction shall extend only to removal from office, but the party, whether convicted or acquitted, shall also be liable to prosecution according to law.


BUT, there does appear to be a civil law for recall, or at least it's implied here:

Article IV, Section 8. Limitation on terms of office.
(1) The secretary of state or other authorized official shall not certify a candidate's nomination or election to, or print or cause to be printed on any ballot the name of a candidate for, one of the following offices if, at the end of the current term of that office, the candidate will have served in that office or had he not resigned or been recalled would have served in that office . . .


I will have to do some more checking, but there is nothing in the constitution directly related to recall.

Montana's 1972 Constitution can be found at the link.

EDIT: spelling
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:11 AM
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17. I am unable to find anything online
but I do see newspaper articles saying a recall provision does exist in Montana.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:31 AM
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7. I was about to disagree with you... but then you mentioned... HIM
I wouldn't brake if I saw him crossing the street.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:37 AM
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8. Jeb Bush
JB is the obvious choice... Florida is in shambles thanks to him.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:39 AM
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10. Unfortunately not all states allow recalls
and Florida is one that doesn't.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:42 AM
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11. Well, well, well - today, part of the news is an attempt to start a
recall of our repuke Governor here in Nevada - for all the wrong reasons, of course, but he's a repuke.

------Does anyone know if recall is legit here in Nevada?----

Now, he's actually a nice guy, not a fundie, or other typical repuke trait, and his transgression:

Urging the State House & Senate to RAISE TAXES to fund the budget that was passed earlier this year.

All the other repukes are furious at him for doing so - so in one way it's the same story as in CA - repuke fundy types are behind the idea.

In his 1st and 2nd elections, he was almost "annointed" to the position with terrible opposing candidates (1st no-dem wanted to run, then they got a sacrificial lamb to do it way too late in the cycle, the dem's heart wasn't in it (no "hunger for the job"), and finally, practically no-one in the dem party supported the poor slobs!
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:46 AM
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12. yeah he won big time in 2002
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/GOVERNOR/GENERAL/gov_state.php?year=2002&state=Nevada

68 to 22.

Better to keep him since it appears they're trying to replace him with someone worse...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:19 AM
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20. but the million dollar question is - is recall a legal method in Nevada?
Do you or anyone else know?

Have you heard who is being mentioned to replace him? - all I heard was just that the idea of a recall is being threatened by mad repukes.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:17 AM
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27. Article here
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2003/jul/17/071710540.html

Of course it's legal - who would start a recall effort in a state where it wasn't?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:49 AM
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13. Which state's constitution has the easiest recall rules and
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 12:49 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
the most number of Dems and Greens? Anyone know?
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:49 AM
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14. Could it be...
this icon?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:13 AM
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18. LOL!
I know but there's gotta be a Repub state ripe for it. Honestly..know of any state that has relatively easy recall rules that's competitve? They're all in the hole.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:30 AM
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21. Here's my angle
Eveyone is looking around for a republican state in which to take revenge. If Issa wins, California will nominally be a Republican state, with a Democratic majority. And there will be lots of seething anger and a taste for revenge. It's time to go Tony Montana on these yo-yo's (politically speaking, of course).

I wish everyone well in getting rid of a republican governor in some other state, but I think California will be ripe for just such a thing if Davis loses office, and for me, the California issue is closer to home, literally.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:40 AM
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23. LOL! What's another 40 million when you're
billions in the hole.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:56 AM
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24. I'd much rather spend the 40 million
than to keep a right-wing felon in office.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:06 AM
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25. We could use that against Bush
Use that desire for revenge and take it out on Bush. That way we could secure Cali in '04. That and there is the possibility that a Dem or Green could win the recall election and shock the poor pukes.
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 12:53 AM
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16. Oh wow
Last week, on an actually good episode of "Hardball," California Dem. activist/rep (in some form) Bob Mulholland came out with all sorts of claims and facts. He was on fire and in a good way.

He said that Jeb Bush did what Davis did--announcing a budget deficit after the election--and wondered why nobody was making a big deal out of it.

Can anyone verify that?
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 01:15 AM
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19. Sonny Perdue...Georgia
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 01:20 AM by DEMActivist
racist extraordinaire, elected with the assistance of Diebold rigged voting machines.

The man who stood in front of that racist flag on election night and shouted "Free at last, free at last. Thank God, Almighty, free at last."

We want HIM!!!!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 03:47 AM
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29. You know I agree with you on Perdue! Do we have a recall law in

Georgia?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:11 AM
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26. As much as it pains me....
I can't help but get a chuckle out of the thought of California getting stuck with The Governator!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:32 AM
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28. All that's missing now is
Kathleen Harris to fly over on her broom and dump millions of leftover crooked Florida butterfly ballots on heavily democratic areas of L.A. and San Francisco. :mad:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 03:47 AM
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30. I strongly agree
If we allow the Republicans to user corrupt thieving tactics without fighting back, then they will never stop.

They must be punished severely for every crime they commit. No one wins playing on the defense in politics.

We need to fight them in every state where there is a recall provision.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 06:01 AM
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31. heck yeah, lets get the ball rolling....
... they wanna play this game, count me in.
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wontmoveon Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:34 AM
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32. Start with Pataki
NY is in shambles!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:38 AM
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33. So VERY VERY VERY WRONG!!!
We must NEVER stoop to their level on this particular issue.

I'll give you 30 million reasons as to why, because that's how much a recall election will cost tax payers in California and that will be a big election issue in 2004. And this whole recall mess will cost the republicans all statewide California elections especially when they go to vote for president.

A republican governor cannot clean up this mess in 2 years. If Bush suddenly decides to send aid to CA because of a repuke governor then voters will be screaming about why Bush wouldn't help out when Gray Davis was in the statehouse.

Bush and Issa have fucked up California royally, for us to start recalling will give us a black eye too!
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