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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:56 PM
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John Edwards on Massachusetts Decision on Gay Marriage
Statement Of Senator Edwards On Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Decision

Senator John Edwards (D-NC) released the following statement today:

"As I have long said, I believe gay and lesbian Americans are entitled to equal respect and dignity under our laws. While I personally do not support gay marriage, I recognize that different states will address this in different ways, and I will oppose any effort to pass an amendment to the United States Constitution in response to the Massachusetts decision.

"We are a nation comprised of men and women from all walks of life. It is in our national character to provide equal opportunity to all, and this is what unites our country, in laws and in shared purpose. That is why today, we must also reach out to those individuals who will try to exploit this decision to further divide our nation, and ask them to refrain from that effort."
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:57 PM
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1. about what I expected
he's the first one to comment right?
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:59 PM
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3. Dean issued a stement earlier this afternoon
MANCHESTER--Governor Dean issued the following statement today in response to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruling:

"As Governor of Vermont, I was proud to sign the nation's first law establishing civil unions for same-sex couples. Today, the Massachusetts Court appears to have taken a similar approach to the Vermont Supreme Court and its decision that led to our civil unions law. One way or another, the state should afford same-sex couples equal treatment under law in areas such as health insurance, hospital visitation and inheritance rights.

"There will be those who try to use the decision today to divide Americans. Instead, this decision should be viewed as an opportunity to affirm what binds us together -- a fundamental belief in the equality of human beings, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation."

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002315.html
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:09 PM
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8. Well said. There should not be standards of measurement for
rights as an American citizen. We are each allowed by law, one spouse, and that spouse's gender should not matter.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:10 PM
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11. Uh...He doesn't say whether where he stands...
Does he support Gay Marriage or not?
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:25 PM
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13. "While I personally do not support gay marriage"
seems clear. But he's taking a tack similar to the Big Dog's one on Choice. That is, I don't agree but I'll not impeed it nor allow it's being banned.

Honest, fair and effective. Like he is on everything else.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:28 PM
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15. He's going to bring over the 61% of Americans who now oppose gay marriage
to the good side of the battle by saying, hey, I know how you feel. In some ways, I feel how you feel. However, as a society, we're about taking down barriers to participation and not putting up barriers.

It's smart.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:32 PM
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17. Yes, it is the smart response
And it will resonate with the majority as all his stuff does. A lot like all the other recent Dem presidents. Hum....
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:36 PM
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19. Clinton really brought a lot of people over on the issue of race.
And if Clinton were president from 2004-2008, he'd probably do the same thing on gay rights.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:40 PM
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22. Clinton signed DOMA in 1996 n/t
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:19 AM
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23. That was '96 and this is now, and 04-08...
...could be the golden age for gay rights if everyone plays their cards right.

JFK gave an incredibly milquetoasty speach on race before Oxford, Miss exploded, and then 1 week later, he gave one of the greatest speeches on race in America I've heard.

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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:58 PM
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2. Wow
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 10:00 PM by Closer
Sounds like it came straight from a Republican's mouth.


"I do not support gay marriages."

"I will oppose any effort to pass an amendment to the United States Constitution in response to the Massachusetts decision."




Great job there Johnny :eyes:

Glad you're doing so poorly in the polls after all :hi:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:04 PM
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4. An amendment would hurt gay people
wouldn't it? I don't think he is talking about passing one that would allow gay marriage.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:05 PM
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5. Oh, perhaps you're right.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:09 PM
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9. For the record Dean doesnt personally support gay marriage
I disagree with him there, I think gay marriage should be a federal thing. No he doesnt sound like a republican at all, you may be bitter with him being critical of Dean but hes one of ours like it or not.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:07 PM
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6. He said he "personally" doesn't support gay marriage
But does that mean he'd vote against for it still?
Many politicians feel they are personally against abortion (like Lieberman), but they are still solid pro-choice allies.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:08 PM
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7. Daschle just came out condemning the decision and vowing to
pass Bush's federal legislation to end any such movement.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:10 PM
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10. Dashle! Did he really do that?
Where did you see it?
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:10 PM
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12. Link?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:25 PM
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14. OK Edwards is falling like a stone in my book...this hiring
shelton...
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:34 PM
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18. understandable given your avatar
but Shelton was a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. That trumps fired NATO head any day.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:31 PM
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16. I have a hard time understanding
Why do people not support gay marriage? How does this hurt them?

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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:37 PM
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20. it seems to be the sentiment around the word, lot of history
Not a hurt really, more of a contradiction in terms in their minds from what I gather. Kind of tied into the parenting thing.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:37 PM
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21. Because
people can behave irrationally. At least I haven't been able to find a rational answer.

In at least some some cases they only oppose it because they hold the misconceptions that government recognized 'marriage' = religious 'marriage,' that this will force churches to marry gay people, etc...
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:23 AM
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24. Exactly.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 12:24 AM by AP
Even a J of P marriage in the US has a quasi-religious part which society spends millions of dollars to maintain. If you think about it, it's a totally irrational concession to society's belief that marriage has a very important religious compenent, and that the civil part isn't enough.

It should be enough just get a license. What's so magical about the ceremony that Americans will waste their time and tax money to perpetuate it?

What politicians should do is separate the two. Render onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and render unto God what is God's. By arguing that there should be gay marriage is basically mixing up Ceasar and God. Let the churches do what they want. If the government doesn't tell them who they should marry, the churches can't tell the government to whom the government should grant civil unions.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:25 AM
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25. One more thing: progress won't be measured by gay
couples getting married. It will be measured by heterosexual couples getting civil unions instead of going through the justice of the peace ceremony.
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