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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:50 AM
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:01 AM
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1. pretty hopeless
when U consider the only re-action the squatter & minions can come up w/ is go to war...invade....kill...kill....kill....return women and all people not like me(stupid, rich 'n white)to their god directed position of servitude...rape the planet...these assholes are mental pygmys (and I apologize to pygmys everywhere).

I had such hope 4 the 21st century...didn't realize it was 2 B a replay of the dark ages.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:02 AM
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2. Probably because
we've all been so isolated for so long. Separate countries, long distances....plus we've been kinda busy with famines, diseases, wars etc.

Not a lot of time or inclination to think of the world as one planet, and all the people on it as one race.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:09 AM
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3. will
will future generations look back at us as unenlightened clods? If we don't enlighten ourselves, there will be no more future generations. So the answer would be yes.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:13 AM
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4. Depends I guess
Do we look on Victorians as unenlightend clods? Or products of their time?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:38 AM
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:43 AM
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6. actually the Victorian era did alot for the leftist movement
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 11:43 AM by veganwitch
abolition/civil rights
communism/socialism
vegetarianism
women movement
fairly progressive religious movements

all have roots in the 19th century.

i think 100 years from now the progressive movement of the 21st century will be looked on like those above. people resisting strongly to the injustices they saw around them.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:57 AM
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7. My two cents
Homosexuality: I was posting something about this on another message board, with respect to the gay marriage brouhaha. Besides the fact that I can't even understand why anyone not directly affected by it would become apopleptic over it, I strongly believe that the people who oppose gay marriage will be viewed in, say, 50 years' time as extremely bigoted and narrow-minded --- I think they will have the same reaction to these people as I have whenever I see grainy, black-and-white footage of "colored" drinking fountains. I'm 34 and I've lived in New York City for almost my entire life, so I've never lived through anything like that, so when I see that kind of thing it's pretty shocking to me. I believe that future generations will look back on the furor against gay marriage the same way. I hope so anyway.

Race: There are times when I'm really skeptical that things will ever get much past a certain point. As long as human beings have the innate need to feel better than somebody else, there will always be racism. This social phenomenon has existed for thousands of years, and I don't see it going away any time soon. I think people have learned what not to say out loud, but I don't think people are significantly more enlightened or sensitive.

Prostitution/Drugs: Should be completely legalized and heavily taxed. Besides the fact that we could pay the national debt in three weeks with tax revenue from these "business ventures," both things are illegal for reasons that don't hold up to scrutiny. If you can legally film someone having sex, pay them for their time, and release it on video as pornography, why are unfilmed sexual encounters illegal? And as far as drugs are concerned, I don't understand why a moral or legal distinction is being made between different types of consciousness-altering. Why is it legal to drink yourself into a blackout state but not to snort coke? What's the diference? Coffee contains a stimulant. Cigarettes do too. Why are those things OK and not others. Either everything should be legal or everything should be illegal, in my opinion. It just doesn't make any sense to do it any other way.

Reproductive Rights:This should be left up to the ladies. Men should have no say in this whatsoever since this is a decision they will never have to make. No, holding your girlfriend's hand while her cervix is dialated IS NOT the same thing. We men are not affected by this to even a fraction of a degree that the ladies are. As far as my personal opinion is concerned, I'm pro-choice all the way, and just as in the case of gay marriage, anyone who's opposed to abortion shouldn't have one, just like the bumper sticker says.

Environment: I don't know enough about this issue to get into much detail, but I know enough to know that the "Clear Skies" initiative is a crock and a half.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:05 PM
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9. Unenlightened Clods
The way things are going, the future generations will BE the unenlightened clods. They'll look back on us as the waning days of the Enlightenment - that brief and misguided period of history when a couple of idealistic Europeans and Americans in wigs actually believed, and were able to convince significant numbers of people for a couple hundred years, that individuals had rights.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:05 PM
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10. What He Said!
I would add in regard to Gay Marriage that the opposition to it infuriates me to no end, even though I'm not even gay!

It's just so symbolic of an attitude by rightwing lunatics that they are the moral arbiters for everyone. There is hardly anything more personal and more private than who you fall in love with and who you want to spend the rest of your life with and how you want to define that relationship. It's nobody's business except the people directly involved. The lunatic right wing wants to intrude into the most personal aspects of everyone's life and force you to behave or believe in a matter that they approve of, whether it's marriage, or reproductive rights or religion. It's abhorrently sick and twisted.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:12 PM
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11. The hypocrisy is completely staggering
I realize that the current crop of neo-cons can hardly be described as "conservative" in the classic sense, but it astonishes me that people buy into their party line about smaller, less intrusive government when they're constantly sticking their noses into the lives of individuals making personal decisions that affect NOBODY.
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pnb Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:00 PM
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8. Not at all
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 12:01 PM by pnb
"Why are 21st century humans so morally and rationally underdeveloped?"

Morally and rationally underdeveloped as opposed to what?

The way I see it, most humans have been given no real reason to "develop" in any way you mention.
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