Alexandra Pelosi on Clark: "He seems overhandled and overmanaged."

[wndycty]

She actually has interesting comments about other candidates as well, but if I were to post those I would be accused of "bashing," visit http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/138238p-122846c.html if you want to see what she has to say.

Looking for a Prez winner

Alexandra Pelosi is weighing the chances of the Democratic presidential candidates. New York filmmaker Alexandra Pelosi - who became a political celebrity during the 2000 campaign with her HBO documentary, "Journeys With George" - is again on a mission to find the next President.

"I'm looking to be with the winner," the 33-year-old Pelosi told me yesterday during a rare stopover at her Greenwich Village apartment between trips to Iowa and New Hampshire.

"I can't travel with two different candidates at once," said the daughter of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "It's not like I have minions to send out on the trail. It's just me and my digital camera. So I have to choose carefully."

-snip-

As for Pelosi's old pal President Bush, with whom she clearly hit it off during the last campaign, the filmmaker hopes he's not the winner. "If I ever had a soft spot in my heart for him, I can promise you it has grown very hard."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/138238p-122846c.html

[Ninga]

1. Right,

what ca-ca! She appears to be a gal who knows how to butter her bread.

[wndycty]

3. She is no fan of Bush

:kick:

[chimpymustgo]

10. Her comments about the cult of Dean - most interesting:

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean: "He's definitely hot right now. It's like his supporters are a cult. At the Jefferson and Jackson dinner in Des Moines last weekend, it was tons of screaming kids, but they weren't from Iowa. They'd been bused in from across the Midwest, and they didn't clap for anyone else - only Dean. Afterward, there was a party at the Fort Des Moines and they acted out Dean's stump speech, waving their arms and mouthing the words, like it was 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show.' Dean was there, and at first he was smiling, but after a while he looked pretty freaked out. You have to remember that the 70-something Iowa voter is not into the screaming kids."

[RetroLounge]

16. most interesting

maybe only to you.

"They'd been bused in from across the Midwest" - as opposed to the fact that they rode the bus, not forced busing. Spin.

"they didn't clap for anyone else - only Dean" - WHaaaaahhhh...

"they acted out Dean's stump speech" - Okay, if this is true, that IS weird. But calling it cult-like is bullshit spin. Just call it what it is: Weird and Twisted.

[wndycty]

17. Hey this is about Clark

:kick:

[RetroLounge]

44. Then you should have responded to #10

right?

[wndycty]

48. Done

Are you happy now?

[chimpymustgo]

18. Okay. Weird and twisted. Have to agree.

And yes - most interesting.

[RetroLounge]

But a handful of young and fired up voters

who are "Weird and Twisted" is hardly indicative of all Dean Suppoters.

But that wouldn't support your view, would it?

[AP]

29. The point is that these aren't Iowa voters, and they might be turning off

Iowa voters.

[slinkerwink]

33. the majority of them were iowa voters

:eyes:


Should we really trust whatever the media pundits say these days since their political bias colors what they say? It should be a matter of listening to our own perceptions of a candidate through careful research.

[AP]

35. Pelosi isn't a media pundit, and this is just a quote in NYDN.

By posting it a DU, we've probably doubled the number of people who will remember this article at 6 pm tonight from 300 to 600.

[tsipple]

36. I Was in Des Moines That Night

Looks like the media are trying out their latest storyline from the GOP talking points memo. Ain't going to work.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean: "He's definitely hot right now. It's like his supporters are a cult.

That's the new GOP word of the day, kids. Ordinary Americans are now members of a "cult." Gee, I suppose that makes Rush listeners part of David Koresh's fan club, eh?

At the Jefferson and Jackson dinner in Des Moines last weekend, it was tons of screaming kids, but they weren't from Iowa. They'd been bused in from across the Midwest,

Uh, yes they were. The vast majority of them, anyway. You don't ride 40 schoolbuses from Oklahoma. (There was one bus from Oklahoma, for the record.)

and they didn't clap for anyone else - only Dean.

False again. Dean supporters (like me) clapped politely for many candidates. Braun received a standing ovation in my section.

Afterward, there was a party at the Fort Des Moines and they acted out Dean's stump speech, waving their arms and mouthing the words, like it was 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show.'

That's called anti-cult. The reason this went on was his supporters were poking fun at the fact they've heard his stump speech a few times. :-) Of course, she'd know that if she bothered to attend the Dean rally at the high school before the dinner, but I guess she couldn't be bothered.

Dean was there, and at first he was smiling, but after a while he looked pretty freaked out. You have to remember that the 70-something Iowa voter is not into the screaming kids."

Talk about a non-sequitor. Dean is not a "70-something Iowa voter." And actually, any grandparent pretty much is into "the screaming kids" by default.

Dear Fellow DUers: No matter who gets the nomination, don't stand for this crap, OK? Call them on it. The stakes are too high to have joke "reporting" again.

[AP]

38. Looks like they've been reading DU. People have been saying it here for...

...months.

[CWebster]

40. the Wellstone memorial denouncement

all over again.

Don't let them attempt to dampen our enthusiasm or slow our momentum---and I don't care which Democrat you are cheering on.

[returnable]

58. One bus from Oklahoma...

...and 39 others from outside Iowa. That's the point.

"I Was in Des Moines That Night"'

And judging by your avatar, you aren't an Iowan, either. :hi:

[wndycty]

47. Hey this is about Clark!!!

:kick:

[Racenut20]

2. Well I certainly wouldn't consider that a bashing, would you???

YEAH RIGHT !!!!@!!!

[Ninga]

5. It's self promotion,

couched in measured words. Bread buttering.

[wndycty]

7. Why what do you mean?

:kick:

[wndycty]

6. I only posted what she said about Clark because. . .

. . .had I posted what she said about other candidates I might have been accused of bashing.

[CWebster]

4. Why should we care what Pelosi's daughter thinks?

Her mother can't get her own story straight.

[slinkerwink]

8. actually, Pelosi's mother was absolutely stellar the past summer

I saw her rail against Republican tactics to hold back bills or to let them die on the floor, and when the Republicans had threatened several democrats to be arrested for meeting in a Congress room.

Trust me, Nancy Pelosi is no shrinking violet----she's a hell a lot better than Gephardt or Daschle ever was as a minority leader.

[CWebster]

9. You mean like the time she sent the letter to Dean

that he better bow down in front of the Israel lobby or else?

You mean that Nancy Pelosi?

[wndycty]

11. How how did this become about Dean. . .

. . .she slammed Clark.

[CWebster]

20. From the pages of the NY Daily news gossip column

It was originally a defense of Clark (seems she also dissed Dean) but then became a commentary on mommy Pelosi.

my apologies, wndy, for not walking the straight and narrow..

[wndycty]

28. It was not a defense of Clark

As you know I am a big Clark supporter but if there is one problem I have is that he is over handled and over managed. Hopefully that will change. I posted this to show how I as a Clark supporter am willing to admit his short comings. I did not wish to turn this into a Dean/Pelosi bashing thread. I had no idea that would happen.

[CWebster]

32. okay

You would prefer to turn it into a Clark bashing thread?

Sorry.

[wndycty]

34. Well I did not mean for it become a Dean thread. . .

. . .I would not want to be accused of bashing Dean. Feel free to use this thread to address her observation that Dean followers were a cult, but I by no means meant to raise that issue.

[CWebster]

37. Gotcha

discussing the bad stuff is cool.


;-)

[AP]

31. It's about the article.

She comments on four of them:

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean: "He's definitely hot right now. It's like his supporters are a cult. At the Jefferson and Jackson dinner in Des Moines last weekend, it was tons of screaming kids, but they weren't from Iowa. They'd been bused in from across the Midwest, and they didn't clap for anyone else - only Dean. Afterward, there was a party at the Fort Des Moines and they acted out Dean's stump speech, waving their arms and mouthing the words, like it was 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show.' Dean was there, and at first he was smiling, but after a while he looked pretty freaked out. You have to remember that the 70-something Iowa voter is not into the screaming kids."

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark: "He seems overhandled and overmanaged."

Mass. Sen. John Kerry: "For the first time in my life, I'm feeling sorry for John Kerry."

Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt: "I would say that Gephardt is the sleeper candidate, because people underestimate the power of experience. People who live in New York are typically after what's cool, what's hot, what's next. But in Iowa, they respect experience. The people who get out in below-zero weather to vote on Caucus night are not into hipsters."

[slinkerwink]

22. yes, that Nancy Pelosi but angry Dean supporters deluged her office

with thousands of e-mails and phone calls, so she backed off.

[CWebster]

24. damn cult

Imagine that --thinking they can participate in the process. Who do they think they are!

[slinkerwink]

27. they just better stay at home and practice political apathy!!!!!!

Who needs them in this democracy?

[Julien Sorel]

45. No, as a matter of fact, she didn't.

Dean knuckled under, and went from advocating an 'even-handed' approach to Israel, to essentially endorsing Israel's policies with regards to the Palestinians. I was just beginning to become concerned by Dean when this happened, and I remember being amazed by how his cultists tried to spin this into a Dean triumph, when it obviously was not.

[CWebster]

49. from the lips of Billy Bunter

This isn't a Dean-bashing thread. Oh that's right, you don't do anything else.

See wndy, I'm trying to help you. lol.

[wndycty]

50. Exactly I did not mean to draw attention to the Deaniacs/Cult comparison

Not at all. Why would I do that?

[Julien Sorel]

63. Hilarious. You people turned a Clark thread into a bash Dean

thread yourselves, and now you're trying to lay the blame on others. It's pathological self-absorption.

[wndycty]

66. That was not an accident. . .

. . .in my hand I have a fiddle that I have been playing since I started this thread. . .LOL

Go Clark!
:kick:

[returnable]

72. Even funnier...

While this relatively innocuous article about what Nancy Pelosi's daughter thinks about the Dem field gets mucho attention, another thread that actually offers a chance to discuss something of substance sinks like a stone:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=734584&mesg_id=734584

Gotta love where some people's priorities are :)

[slinkerwink]

71. yep, funny about Clark supporters, isn't it?

[Julien Sorel]

46. Dupe

[DemNoir]

12. Save your tips for your mother

Nancy Pelosi has been a total failiure as Dem leader. She needs a loved one to send her to botox rehab.

[wndycty]

13. As a Clark supporter. . .

. . .I have no problem with her criticism of the General being to handled, I would love to see him loosen up a bit, so I am not going to bash Rep. Pelosi because of what her daughter said.

[Larkspur]

14. I love how she stereotypes Dean supporters

At the Jefferson and Jackson dinner in Des Moines last weekend, it was tons of screaming kids, but they weren't from Iowa.

Rick Klau was there with his wife and they are both adult parents. I think Pelosi needs to take her blinders off.

[wndycty]

15. Hey this is not about Dean, its about Clark!!!

:kick:

[Dr Satan]

21. what is there to say?

she is right.

[BlackFrancis]

19. that's so orwellian

The only reason I like Dean at all is that he knows the only reason he is where he is, has everything to do with small, individual, anti-war donors.

You can trust a politician (no matter who he is) to do exactly one thing: pay back his supporters once he is in office.

Dean has enormous grassroots support while the rest are propped up by some special interest or another and somehow that has to be spun negative by turning him into Jim Jones brainwashing the crowd.

[slinkerwink]

23. that is somewhat true....

it'd explain why we haven't seen major gaffes by Clark in what he says is because he's so tightly scripted and controlled by his handlers.

[Renew Deal]

25. Thanks

I think? He is also very personally disciplined. That's why he has help off attacking the fellow dems.

[slinkerwink]

30. no, it's not a matter of personal discipline...

it's a matter of being a political neophyte to the campaign trail. Every sentence is scrutinized so Clark's handlers have to be close by to make sure their candidate doesn't say anything that belies his political neophyteness. Remember what happened when Clark shouted "Help, Mary!"---it did him a disservice in the media coverage, and since then, his handlers have really tightened up on him.

[samsingh]

26. Clark was excellent in the Fox interview

he was sincere, bright, articulate, and took no shit.

[Spazito]

39. Yep, I think he was doing the handling there!

Overall, I think Clark is doing fine.

[wndycty]

41. Thanks for talking about Clark

. . .judging by the posts here you would think that this was a Dean a thread about someone calling Dean's followers a cult. Of course we are here to talk about how over managed and over handled Clark is.

[Terwilliger]

42. Who said this...Landrieu or Pelosi??

There are two contradictory threads running right now.

[returnable]

43. Uh, that's cuz one of 'em...

...is a joke.

See if ya can figure out which is which.

[Name removed]

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[madfloridian]

51. Pelosi family does not care for Dean. Remember the Pelosi/Berman letter?

Like mother, like daughter. Remember the letter the House Democrats wrote him when he tried to take a moderate stance on the Palestinians?

Remember? I still have a copy of it. According to Mother Pelosi, Dean is not managed enough and should watch his mouth.

According to daughter Pelosi, Clark is too managed? Did I read that right?

Methinks the Pelosi family needs to stop "managing" our candidates.

How is Mom Pelosi going to vote on the Medicare bill? Has anyone heard?

On Edit: Just saw the mention of this above. That's ok, it should be mentioned again.

[wndycty]

52. Why do you keep making this about Dean?

This is about Clark, read the original post it was about Clark being overhandled and over managed. To quote John Kerry "Dean, Dean, Dean."

A Clark supporter cannot even post a threat remotely critical of CLARK and it turns into a defense of Dean. This is too damned funny!

[CWebster]

53. It was really more about the Pelosi girls

than Dean.

[madfloridian]

54. I am of the cult of Dean.

I have the power.

[returnable]

61. Gotta love it n/t

[wndycty]

62. Kick

:kick:

[markus]

55. Rush can talk about "crushing" Dem opposition, but Dean is a cult?

I think we know who would gladly swallow the Kool-Aid in this comparison.

[wndycty]

57. Why is this about Dean and his alleged cult?

. . .its about Clark and his being over handled over managed.

[madfloridian]

59. Because we have the power.

:evilgrin:

[madfloridian]

56. Did you notice the favorite of daughter Pelosi?

It is the favorite of Mom Pelosi as well, I believe. Thus, the others like cultist Dean and managed Clark need to be kept in their place.

They are managing us.

[wndycty]

64. But I don't have a problem with the criticism of Clark

:kick:

[madfloridian]

65. I do when it is done that way.

By the daughter of a Democratic minority leader. I have a problem with that. I like Clark as well as Dean.

[AP]

68. Perhaps it's her honest opinion of each of the candidates?

[madfloridian]

69. Could be, but Pelosi family supports Gephardt.

Very strongly. Need to make others not so strong.

[AP]

73. Everyone has biases. You know Pelosis. Does that mean her observations

about Dean aren't useful? Basically, she's decribing a microcosm of what we all know from watching Dean for months.

If Dean buses supporters everywhere whose enthusiasm might make the people in the places they're bused have second thoughts about him, that might be a problem for Dean, and it's worth considering.

Do you see how what Pelosi has described is sort of a representation of Dean's campaign, generally. He has a core group of die-hards, who might make up 16-25% of the democratic party. If you throw them full force into every internet bulletin board, or every Iowa debate audience, they seem like they might dominate, but they're not really representative of the mood of a majority of Iowans (at that debate) or posters here at DU, or Americans who will vote in the general election. It's not time for cheerleading and trying to stifle criticism (eg, "this is about Clark -- don't quote the comments about Dean in this thread"). It's time for putting out your ideas and trying to sway people with power of the ideas and the plans.

Anyway, a lot of Democrats, perhaps, have the same biases Pelosi has.

[slinkerwink]

70. lol

:shrug:

[BuelahWitch]

67. Thank you madfloridian

I was waiting for someone to catch that part. Funny she has to diss all the other (more popular) candidates before she goes into her Gephardt lovefest...