Emotional Clark on "60 Minutes II " Tonight

[NewzJunkE]

EMOTIONAL GEN. WES CLARK '60 MINS II' DAN RATHER INTERVIEW TONIGHT: MISTS UP, TEAR FORMS, DOES NOT FALL DOWN CHEEK; A SIDE OF HIM WE HAVE NEVER SEEN, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... DEM CANDIDATE ASKED ABOUT KOSOVO AND CLEANSING. CBS CAMERA GOES FOR CLOSE-UP. TEARS, NO CRYING; SHOWS PICTURES OF DEAD CHILDREN...

is this his opportunity to show his sensitivity ?

[loudsue]

1. What time??

I'll have to borrow an invitation to go watch!! What time does 60-min II come on, and what channel? (My friend has DirecTV)

You can see, I'm not a TV junkie.

:kick:

[returnable]

3. 8:00/7:00 central on CBS

:hi:

[NewzJunkE]

10. as requested

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60II/main3475.shtml

8p EST

cheers :beer:

[goobergunch]

2. linky? (n/t)

[Wonk]

26. transcript here

part 1
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/60II/main584548.shtml

part 2
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/60II/main584554.shtml

[RandomUser]

34. I'm skipping the transcript for now

I want to see the video with fresh eyes. But I might well look at the transcript later. Thanks for the link.

[KC21304]

4. Probably not, more likely a great opportunity for cynicism.

I like Wes Clark very much.

Kerry/Clark

[FrenchieCat]

5. Cant' wait.....

I will have my Kleenex box next to my side. This guy keeps making me cry! Damn, that's feels good.

Bush makes me cry too, but those are cries of desperation and anger!

[juajen]

6. Hell, I'm crying thinking about it. Geesh, this man really

grabs my heart. Can he really be this sensitive after having to be a hardnose all his military life? I think the answer is yes. I feel he is genuine.

[economic justice]

7. I'll watch! does anybody

Anyone know if the Meet The Press is online anywhere? I have seen the transcript but didn't see the actual show and would like to see it. What happened to the DigitalClark site that always had lots of multimedia?

[FrenchieCat]

18. I think this should still work

Meet the Press interview - Wes Clark - 11/16/03 - Video and Transcript
http://www.msnbc.com/news/meetpress_front.asp?0dm=V209V&ta=y

[economic justice]

21. The video is Clark and Slobo trial

And I have read the transcript. But thanks for trying to help. I sure wish that DigitalClark site was still working. Thanks again!

[Spazito]

8. I believe this header comes from Drudge....

and it wouldn't surprise me, given the way in which it is written.

I watched a clip of General Wesley Clark talking about this and his compassion and outrage is very genuine.

[xultar]

9. OK Clarkies, Toughen up tonight is gonna be tough I'm sure there

will be some attacks. Just make sure you keep it in perspective and civil. Wes Clark is our candidate he has class and we should represent him as such.

Who will be on to watch and field the attacks after the broadcast...I will anyone else available?

[economic justice]

13. Very good point

I have always been close to deciding for Clark and for some stupid reason (I admit it) I let some people on this board and others I know supporting Clark trip my trigger and I put it off. I know that the candidate is more than their supporters, but I'm human and make unfair connections that's more psychological than anything. I know it's ridiculous, but that's what has happened. I like Clark a lot and was impressed with his defense of himself on Fox the other night. I was glad to follow the link here from DU and watch that.......good stuff.

[Lefta Dissenter]

16. It can be hard, can't it?

sometimes I find myself being turned off to Dean, just because of the few absolute snots who make all attempts to trash Clark, even when it isn't even relevant to the conversation. I just keep trying to remind myself that it's not Dean doing the trashing, it's just a few morons.

Believe me, I have seen Clark baited time and time again, and he does NOT trash his opponents in the Democratic Party. Now, ask him about bush, and he'll be perfectly forthcoming with his opinions. I just feel that Clark has been exemplary in taking the high road, and I wish that all of the other Democrats would see fit to follow suit. :grouphug: Regardless of who gets the nomination (Clark, of course), we'll have a tough mission ahead, and destroying our fellow Democrats before we even get there will lead us only into another four+ years of unbelievable hell.

[FrenchieCat]

19. ALthough discussing

policy differences with other candidates might not be a bad thing for Clark. he can't always be to amicable now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. I'll try really

really hard to behave. If I don't, you can send me to the brig! :7

[DemCam]

24. Yep...I show up.

Really damn tired of it. I don't come to DU that much because of the ugliness. I almost never post on other candidates threads. Sigh.

Will be glad when this primary is over so we can get back to the business at hand.

[BootinUp]

27. Wouldn't miss it!

Although I think a lot of Du'ers are liking Clark lately, so I am hoping the discussion afterwards stays positive.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I'm ready!

I will be watching tonight, tomorrow's David Letterman and Sunday with Wolf Blitzer. Can't wait!

[FrenchieCat]

20. and

Face the nation on Sunday too!

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. You're kidding?!

I'll be sure to watch him. What a GREAT week!

[DemExpat]

12. Is my candidate for real?

I'm amazed at his honesty, but showing emotion to the world? A real man? A 4-star General?

This 'proves' he is a honest to goodness Sensitive Liberal! :D

Love the guy...

:kick:
DemEx

[NewzJunkE]

35. I don't know 'bout that ....

... did Washington cry?, Grant? Ike?

'there's no crying in politics ... there's NO crying in politics'

:cry:

[Lefta Dissenter]

14. I've seen him teary a couple of times

One was at the NH town hall meeting, when the woman was telling him about having been sexually abused when she served in the military. He got teary, apologized to her, saying that he was in a leadership capacity at the time, and that he and others should have done more, and asked her to meet with him after the meeting.

I then heard from someone who was there that he met in private with her for 20 minutes after the meeting was over. I hope it was healing for her, because she obviously is still haunted by whatever happened at that time.

He is obviously so sincere and compassionate... and get this, he's capable of apologizing, too! What a concept!

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Now I understand what Clinton

meant when he said, "Democrats fall in love with their candidates and republicans just fall in line." <sigh> I truly love this man for everything he is. :loveya:

Thank you for that story. He is truly extraordinary!

[chimpymustgo]

23. Looking forward to the program.

Let's keep this kicked to remind all.

[45th Med]

25. WHAT TIME IS THE INTERVIEW?

CBS Affiliate, I know that much....what time, Central timezone?

[oxymoron]

28. see above. NT

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. 7:00 Central Time. n/t

[RandomUser]

29. Sounds interesting

I'm looking forward to it.

[Mattforclark]

30. As am I

Prediction: he will annihilate all comers.

'course I'm biased ;)

[Donna Zen]

31. New WesCam

The latest installment of Wescam is a hoot!

On bush: "I don't want to bash george bush, I just want to replace him."

The push-ups with three folding chairs is to die for. Wes says: it's the best way to do it...

[Avalux]

33. I just watched it

the push-ups bit was really good. :bounce:

[VolcanoJen]

37. I Heart the Wescam!!! Today's was the best yet, DonnaZen!

Clark: "George Bush was an unlearned, unexperienced man when elected. This moment could be a Golden Moment for America."

It was so moving to watch him visit those snowy graves on Veterans Day, too...

Nice to see that he likes a frosty Sam Adams too; now here's a man I can get behind!! Who were those kind folk in the white uniforms??

I loved the push-up display, too!!! What a stud... :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. Which WesCam are you watching??? n/t

[Avalux]

39. Go to the website

www.clark04.com - it's #3 in NH.

[Renew Deal]

36. It looks like Clark isn't on for the whole hour.

[Toucano]

40. I've seen his sensitive side often. n/t

[Cush]

41. kick

[Clark Can WIN]

42. Here goes

On now.

[Cush]

43. Shelton won't speak: LOL

that says it all, he'll say things off camera, but not on? WOnder where who writes his paychecks?

[Cush]

44. now he's showing off

with his push-ups...lol

[Guaranteed]

45. He's gonna run into the whole why Kosovo and not Iraq thing

He needs a good answer for it.

On edit: The real, correct answer is that the Bush administration was the administration carrying out the Iraq war. I'm not sure if he can say that, though.

[1songbird]

68. The question is whether

or not you can say that Saddam was engaged in ethnic cleansing. When he gased the Kurds the case could have been made if we had gone to war then. I don't think the evidence shows that Saddam as of 2002-2003 was engaged in ethnic cleansing.

[Clark Can WIN]

70. Here's the answer

The ethnic cleansing that took place in Iraq took place with the tacit assistance of the United States in and then there's this little photo


Besides, if asked, Clark can always point out that Powell himself went before the UN to argue that SANCTIONS WERE WORKING to contain Saddam and that they were effective in controlling him. Clearly force was not justified.

Clark witnessed the spectacle of death with his own eyes. He ddi not make rash decisions based on cherry picked "intelligence".

[Guaranteed]

74. Bush will argue back

that the past policy of allowing Saddam to kill his own people doesn't make it alright to allow it to keep happening- especially while Clark is talking about how Kosovo was so horrible. Keep in mind the comparison that is being made, here.

It also doesn't really help to say that Saddam wasn't actively engaging in genocide at the time (of course he was still killing people, probably, just not as widespread as he had in the past). Bush will just come up with the numbers in the 100's of thousands that freepers typically bring up, and hide behind those in his opportunism, like he is now. No one is going to buy that suddenly Saddam has become a good guy.

We have to attack the Bush administration ITSELF as the executors of the war. We have to show that while they may have SAID that they cared about helping the Iraqis, in reality all they wanted to do was get cheap oil contracts for their buddies, and that, in fact, a sincere effort to help the Iraqis, which would have included a post-war plan, would have been more effective for both the Iraqis and for our own national security. We have to push that the Bushees were just the wrong people for the job- and that our American soldiers are dying, and we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars, NOT FOR A NOBLE CAUSE, BUT FOR BUSH'S CORPORATE BUDDIES. It's our only real shot.

The truth is that, for myself, if Clinton had said that he'd had enough of Saddam, and wanted to invade Iraq, I would have been hesitant due to the prospect of getting bogged-down in another Vietnam (and the innocents that would be killed), but I would have supported the war much more just knowing that Clinton's aim was to actually help the Iraqi people. We have to show that Bush was not working in the same good faith as Clinton, and THAT is why the Kosovo war was right, and THIS war was wrong. We have to work on Bush's motives and insincerity.

[Renew Deal]

46. "We'd rather fight for oil than save lives."

That was feeling in the WH in 98.

[Clark Can WIN]

47. This is a good interview

God I love this guy.

You go Wesley. Go get the White House.

[Clark Can WIN]

49. And the tear does fall

[chimpymustgo]

52. Very, very nice. Seeing those big brown eyes tear up...

But we've got to talk to Gert about that HAT...

[SayitAintSo]

71. Scary ... Gert looked like the Queen Mum in that silly hat........

My only problem with the whole interview

BURN THAT TAPE !!!!

She get's SNICKERS in spades for snikering at Wes the MAN.... :)

[Cush]

48. talking about ethnic cleasing

"People have said, well if they had oil, then we would go"

[chaska]

50. Nothing less than stunning.

That was truly astonishing. Incredibly powerful. It would be a crime for this man not to become president.

[laruemtt]

51. that's it - tonight i have to

tell my husband i'm in love with another man - Clark!!!

[Renew Deal]

61. lol

:evilgrin:

[alphafemale]

53. Fantastic interview.

He just strengthened himself as my #2 choice.

[Rowdyboy]

54. "Oy, I'm farklempt, talk among yourselves.

I'll give you a topic: Rhode Island-neither a road, nor an island! Discuss!"

Damn that was a fabulous interview.

[Bertrand]

55. Much more critical of Clark

than the Dean puff piece last month. Even the way they ended it.

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[AmericanDem]

60. what the heck were you watching?

i noticed that way you mentioned the heads up of the show prior to coming on. sounding biased and condescending. nuff said. your words say everything!

[Name removed]

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[AmericanDem]

65. yepper

reread his orignal post. says everything

[OKNancy]

67. Maybe this will be said soon

Here lies a troll
A liberal-hater
Who tried to be
A master baiter


Poem courtesy of Mac56

Edit: from the thread that I refer to anytime I need a good laugh. Picks up my spirits everytime.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=334038

[Skwmom]

57. That interview was fantastic.

This is a man I can trust. There is no way that he would put corporate interests before the american people.

[AmericanDem]

58. Fantastic

very well done!

[BootinUp]

59. Nice job by Wes

I must differ with any who say it was softball. Rather brought up every little negative press angle that's been floated over the last two months.

Clark did fine. But I liked the MTP interview better. As far as the sensitive General angle I already new he was real and not afraid to show it. That's the #1 reason he is the right man for the job.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[economic justice]

62. Undecided....but good interview

Very good interview for Clark. I wish I could hear more passion from Clark on domestic issues, but I really like the guy. This interview gave me a chance to see a little of what makes the man tick. He did VERY well.

[Bread and Circus]

64. Here's the transcript to the unedited interview....

It was a great interview, very moving for me.

Here is the original text, they left alot out for the TV Clip:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/60II/main584548.shtml

[BootinUp]

73. Especially liked this quote

"The last time I checked, the Constitution didn't say that we should spend our democracy for war. Now in Rome they did that. In ancient Rome, they appointed a dictator and they suspended democracy when the Roman Republic was in danger. And they eventually ended up with a permanent dictator through that process."


:kick:

[SayitAintSo]

66. That Boy was HOT !!!

He gave us the "man in uniform", the "practical intellect" the "sensitive, Alan Alda side" ... (but not TOOOOOOOOO sensitive), and topped it off with a little "cheese cake" for the ladies ....

And he dropped another 'bombshell nugget' to keep the media coming back to ask more questions... (remember the - "they have no oil in Kosovo" remark ? ).... That will be good for more media play. The man is shrewd, brilliant. Do we deserve him ? You bet ....

I'm swooning .... He's the man.

Woo Hoo ! :bounce:

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. That interview was fantastic!

He touches my heart. He's the real deal. He's not a liar, he cares about people and I would trust that man with my life. He must be our president. THIS is the man the WH FEARS!

Now, can't WAIT to see him on Letterman tomorrow! A comedic atmosphere? If he has a wonderful sense of humor? I'm all his! That will do me in! :loveya:

[59millionmorons]

72. Very Presidential

I just wish he didnt have to beat Dean, because I like Dean. But the General has to do what the General has to do.

[ScreamingMeemie]

75. I am locking this thread as it was started by a poster who has

since been banned.

Thanks,
MrsGrumpy
DU Moderator