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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:40 PM
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Wash. Sniper - Black Ops
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 09:47 PM by RBHam
Never before in the history of jurisprudence has the Government, the Media and the accused himself so fully co-operated to guarantee a conviction.

The whole sniper story stinks - the timing (to overshadow the debate in Wash over the Bomb Iraq vote), the evidence (firing a high powered rifle espertly from inside a trunk of a car, with no back lighting?), the reports of the "white van" (white vans are a traditional method for Black Ops killers), the fact that Gulf War Vet Muhammad often talked and bragged about his CIA connections, the fact that the Feds came into the interrogation room after he was arrested and "shut down" the interview when the civil authorities started to ask about his military background and CIA claims, the fact that he's black and Muslim feeds the prejudices and fears of the manipulated populace. Not to mention that illiegal immigrant Malvo's involvement feeds even more prejudices...

The Black Ops honchos usually recruit from the armed forces, remember that Timmy Mc Veigh was a Gulf war vet too.

Muhammad fulfilled his mission - he may also get the old "fake needle" that Mcveigh got and spend his days working at an underground military facility.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:45 PM
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1. read "The New Rulers of the World" by Pilger..
you will tremble....weep...and rage...yes i believe it VERY possible
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Liberal_Andy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:45 PM
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2. that's cold, man, you got the shiny side pointing in?
n/t
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:53 PM
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3. May I reccommend that you learn something about shooting?
The rifle was a civilian copy of the M-16 and used open sights. All of the shots were from within 100 meters. For anybody that has met even the MINIMUM qualifications for BASIC training marksmanship, that is an extremely easy shot. I personally only qualified as "Sharpshooter" (There are four levels: Failure to qualify, Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert.)and was able to hit a head sized target at 100 meters within three seconds, every time. To hit a full torso at under a h00 meters is a snap.

Backlighting? What the hell are you talking about? Backlighting would hinder, not help the shot. You don't need light on your sight to see the target. If the target is in the light, the the sights will be silhouetted perfectly, which makes it easier.

Too much tinfoil can interfer with logical thinking.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:08 PM
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4. no so fast, with the dismissal of conspiracy
ok, Backlighting is bogus, but theres plenty of
fishy stuff in this story, remember that weird "duck in
the noose " shit. white vans, shooting from trunk of car ?
(not where I'd shoot from, I got Sharpshooter in the Army too)
I think there's more to this story ....
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:25 PM
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6. Is absolutely EVERYTHING part of some uberconspiracy?
There are people here that are trying to claim that the police search of Jackson's ranch is part of a giant Bush conspiracy.

"Duck in the noose" - bogus. A wild rumor with NO substance to it.

White van - So? The real CIA uses many different types of vehicles for their stuff. It doesn't point directly to anything, except a screw-up.

Shooting from the trunk of a car. The rear seat had been removed. He was able to lie prone. Not a bad idea really. Fires one shot, then the other person, already in the driver's seat calmly drives away.

Please prove that McVeigh was not really executed. BTW, are you aware that the super RW types have their own conspiracy theories about the OKC bombing too? And they consider Waco to be part of a test run by Janet Reno to see if the gov't could get away with suppressing religion so they started with a weird cult first.

One thing the extreme right and the extreme left have in common is a surplus of tinfoil hats.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:43 PM
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7. sorry man, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 10:45 PM by number6
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

:smoke:

"Duck in the noose" the fact is cheif Moose said it.

why I don't know, but makes me suspicious...

fake execution of McViegh (don't beleive that)

that theres more to that story , could be ...

"Is absolutely EVERYTHING part of some uberconspiracy?"

no, little ones, big ones, middle size ones...
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Gulf Coast J Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 09:52 AM
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19. So why did Malvo confess?
Just for the fun of it?
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:09 PM
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23. Confess. He bragged about it. n/t
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economic justice Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:12 PM
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5. W-H-A-T?????????
"Muhammad fulfilled his mission - he may also get the old "fake needle" that Mcveigh got.."

Could you explain that bizarre statement?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:51 PM
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8. fake needle...
"Muhammad fulfilled his mission - he may also get the old "fake needle" that Mcveigh got.."

I think what he means is (pardon crazy conspiracy theory)
if he's convicted they'll fake the execution, Mohammed gets
gets new identity, goes to next black op mission....
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KYDEM Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:20 PM
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9. The FBI agent
That was killed was an agent with the cy-per terrorism division investigating identity thief. How many of the 16 hijackers were using stolen ID. I believe the others that were killed was a cover for the killing of the fbi agent.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 09:33 AM
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17. You mean "La Femme Mohammed?"
Give me a break.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:22 PM
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10. Put down the hyper-illusion and step away...
you're starting to scare the children.

For fuck's sake, man.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:25 PM
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11. Manchurian Candidate?
Or simple patsy?

Serious.

"Duck is In The Noose" sounds too much like "How About A Nice Game of Solitaire?" From THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. I think it was to trigger a post-hypnotic suggestion, that upon hearing the phrase on TV, the "snipers" were to literally lay down and fall asleep.

Have Moose do it on TV, so that way they could receive the message while "in the field."

Doens't make sense, that these guys just wanted to starte sniping people, so they picked an area with the largest concentration of law enforcement, military, and intelligence agencies in the whole friggin' world?

They then succeed for 13 shootings, prove to be most cunning in eluding the police, and then, they go park their car in a very public rest stop during a massive dragnet looking for them, and promptly go to sleep?

I don't buy it.

RbHam, I agree. I always thought it stunk. Especially comign right on the heels of the Dems' pro-war vote, which they did to "get it off the table so we can start talking about the economy." Very conveeeeeeeenient timing. Couldn't risk politically another massive terror attack. Snipers would be just the thing.

Also, snipers shooting citizens on American streets, yet again it's an element that mirrors one of the aspects of the OPERATION NORTHWOODS plan.

Additionally, I thought "they" overplayed their hand by having an almost too-perfect patsy.

Black
Muslim
Homo

Gimme a break!

Always thought this was NOT examined enough....

Captain Mike
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:36 AM
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12. This is most definetely
one of the strangest threads I've seen for a while.

You really need to stop drinkin the Kool Aid.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:01 AM
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13. I'll say one thing, everything sure is strange
since the Monkey got in the White House.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 04:48 AM
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14. kick
this!

CM
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 04:53 AM
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15. I don't believe it but just to explain why people think this...
"Duck in a noose" is an Indian legend about the failure to catch a duck with a noose, since the duck can slip out of it. What Moose was ordered to say - "We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose" - literally means, "The sniper has eluded our effort to catch him."

The conspiracy ideas about the sniper arise from its function in raising the general fear level, justifying new police measures (total surveillance including first use of military satellite technology in a domestic criminal case), and gripping the public imagination. Terror works and discourages the spirit by being vague; Central American death squads often picked seemingly random victims to create exactly the effect of general passivity in the population. Staging sniper attacks in Washington DC (and Miami) were indeed among the ideas listed in the Operation Northwoods document (the Pentagon's 1962 plan, rejected by Kennedy, to fake domestic terror attacks and blame them on Cuba).

One thing we can rule out with some certainty is that the FBI agent was an intentional target (we only know her speciality, absolutely nothing about what cases she was working on; if she was a problem, it's much easier to eliminate such people by suicide or causing a heart attack via poison.)

That being said, we must remember that our society now makes heroes out of Serial Killers, and practically challenges them to try ever new and more creative gimmicks. It's like a death-cult version of the art scene; who can do the latest "Manson." (Remember the scene in Natural Born Killers where Woody Harrelson is interviewed and ranked among serial killers?)

Again, I don't believe the sniper case was a Northwoods operation, I am merely explaining why some people seriously think that.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 09:04 AM
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16. Oh my . . .
I was actually waiting for this thread.

You know what I think. I don't think Bill Clinton ever existed. I think he is a robot created by scientists deep under the Bush Compound in Kennebunkport. I think they thought that the economy was going to tank in 1992 and were afraid Bush the Elder would be blamed for it. So they sent in the robot and tanked the election intentionally.

Surprisingly, the economy bounced back and the robot became populuar. So, they decided to have the robot jam cigars into an intern's area so they could impeach him and turn the public against the Democrats. But the robot survived yet again.

Despite the robot's strange Johnny 5-like desire to live freely, it still followed a lot of it master's basic programming. It ended welfare, established free trade agreements, and upgraded the military into some sort of space-age force that could put missles down chimneys. And then it didn't really campaign for its human-like vice president.

Don't laugh. If Karl Rove can make planes disappear, blow up buildings by remote control, control small-town police investigations, brainwash snipers through tv, alter time and speed up the harvest, he can build a fukcing robot.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 09:49 AM
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18. LMAO. Love it. Love it. n/t
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 10:11 AM
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20. haha that was great
lmao @ "he can build a fukcing robot."
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:06 PM
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22. off the medication again huh.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 12:08 PM by WoodrowFan
good lord. :smile:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 10:13 AM
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21. "Fake needle?"
?
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:10 PM
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24. Uh-huh. How about actually supporting that little slice of lunacy?
Never before in the history of jurisprudence has the Government, the Media and the accused himself so fully co-operated to guarantee a conviction.

Any time you're ready, Champ.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:15 PM
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25. Dave McGowan's Take on The DC sniper... Pretty wild....
Imagine, if you will, that you are on trial, in the state of Virginia, facing charges of having committed a specific, single act of homicide. And imagine that prosecutors repeatedly call witnesses to the stand to obtain testimony about other murders committed in other states by another perpetrator -- and then they declare you responsible for those crimes. And imagine that you have no idea what is coming next, because owing to an alleged peculiarity of Virginia law, the state is not bound by any of those newfangled disclosure rules; they get to keep their case under wraps. So you don't know from day to day if you will be defending yourself against charges of, say, committing a robbery/homicide in Louisiana, or charges of committing a sniper killing in Washington, D.C..

The charges are subject to change at any moment, sometimes several times a day. Imagine also that on the very week that your non-sequestered jury is seated, a movie is aired on cable television that portrays you as the perpetrator of more than a dozen brutal murders in seven states. And imagine that police are freely violating a court order prohibiting them from discussing evidence with the media. And, finally, imagine that that same media, without exception, has declared the state's case against you to be overwhelming, when a thoughtful examination reveals that the state actually has no case at all. Would you find any of that just a bit odd? A little troubling, perhaps? Would you find yourself wondering what sort of Kafkaesque nightmare you had awakened to? Would you find yourself pondering the inevitable question: "Who the hell needs 'secret military tribunals' when a high-profile defendant can be railroaded in broad daylight in a public trial?" The following question needs to be asked, although no one seems willing to ask it: could the trial of alleged 'DC Sniper' John Allen Muhammad possibly be any more of a farce? There was never any doubt, of course, that any trial would necessarily be an entirely fraudulent affair, since it has been obvious for quite some time that Muhammad and sidekick Lee Boyd Malvo are likely little more than patsies set up to take the fall for what was, by all indications, a government-run covert operation. (See Newsletter #20, recently updated and re-posted at: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr20.html) But it is still a bit of a surprise, I suppose, that the trial is such an obvious farce. For those who haven't been following the legal shenanigans, Muhammad, while publicly accused of complicity in as many as sixteen murders in at least seven different states, has been charged with, and is currently standing trial for, exactly one count of first-degree murder. Just one. And why, you may wonder, has he not been charged with any of the other homicides? For the rather obvious reason that the state has no case. In fact, prosecutors don't even have a case to support the one murder charge that Muhammad is facing.

So they have decided to pursue a rather creative legal strategy: they have taken the nearly nonexistent evidence that they have managed to gather/manufacture to support the single murder charge, and they have combined that with dubious bits and pieces of evidence that allegedly link the defendant to a dozen other uncharged murders, and then they have topped the whole thing off with a thick coating of gratuitously graphic, emotionally-charged testimony. And in case focusing the trial on crimes other than the one that Muhammad is actually charged with is not enough of a judicial outrage, the state has gone one surreal step further: on multiple occasions, prosecutors have subpoenaed Muhammad's alleged accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, to appear in court so that he can be identified by witnesses to crimes that neither Muhammad nor Malvo have been charged with. And these witnesses were not, mind you, called to the stand during Muhammad's trial so that they could identify both Muhammad and Malvo. No, they were called to identify Malvo alone -- to implicate him in crimes committed in Maryland, Alabama and Louisiana -- crimes that appear to have been committed by a single perpetrator. And that perpetrator was not the man sitting stoically at the defense table. The admission of prejudicial evidence completely unrelated to the homicide that Muhammad is actually charged with has been justified by the media's 'legal analysts' on the basis of another alleged peculiarity of Virginia law that allows prosecutors to pursue a death sentence for multiple murders committed over a three year period, but not for a single act of murder. In order then for the state to seek a death sentence, according to an AP report, "prosecutors will have to prove Muhammad's involvement in the Meyers killing and at least one other fatal shooting." So even though the defendant is charged with only one murder, the state needs to show that he committed at least two. It is perfectly okay then, so the dialogue goes, for prosecutors to enter evidence completely unrelated to the actual murder charge. Because it is, you see, a death penalty case. In fact, prosecutors are pursuing two capital charges. The other charge is based on an openly fascistic, post-September 11 'anti-terrorism' law that allows the state to pursue a death sentence if the defendant's crimes were intended to "influence the government or to intimidate the civilian population," according to another AP report. The new law has never been prosecuted. Muhammad is a test case. Now I will readily admit that I am not a lawyer, and I have not really spent a great deal of time studying Virginia law, but it seems to me that if the state wants to execute someone for being a multiple murderer, then the state's burden should be, at the very least, to actually convict that person of committing at least two specific murders. It just seems like the right thing to do -- because in a death penalty case, you generally want to keep the bar set fairly high. The state claims that there are as many as sixteen separate murder counts that Muhammad could be charged with. Prosecutors need prove him guilty of just two of those crimes to achieve their goal. Wouldn't then the reasonable, and legal, approach be for prosecutors to pick out the two homicide counts for which they can build the strongest cases and then bring Muhammad to trial on those two murder charges? And isn't it fairly obvious to anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the American criminal justice system that if it is a specific penalty that prosecutors wish to pursue, then the proper time to do that would be during the penalty phase of the trial? Isn't it, as a general rule, a good idea to actually convict someone before pursuing a penalty? Is it not the burden of the state, even in Virginia, to prove the defendant guilty of the specific crime for which he has been charged? And if the state succeeds in that initial goal, then isn't it during the penalty phase that follows, and only then, that evidence of other crimes should be allowed into evidence in support of the prosecution's request for a sentence of death? As I noted previously, however, the state of Virginia has a problem: it cannot put together a prosecutable case on any of the individual murder charges. Not one. Nevertheless, the state really, really wants to execute John Allen Muhammad. And so prosecutors are basically saying to the jury: "Look, folks, we're claiming that this guy committed a whole string of cold-blooded murders, but we've only charged him with one, and we can't really even prove that one, so we're just going to throw out everything we have and let each of you pick whichever two murders you like best so that we can get on with executing this guy, who everyone already knows is the DC Sniper. And please remember that, whatever else you do, don't anyone think about watching DC Sniper: 23 Days of Fear, premiering this Friday night on the USA network at 9:00 PM Eastern time and featuring a stirring performance by Charles S. Dutton as Virginia's very own Chief Charles Moose." It is important to fully appreciate the mockery of justice currently on display in a public courtroom in Virginia, because if it can happen to a suspect with the name recognition of John Allen Muhammad, then it can happen to anyone. Let's review then some of the highlights of Muhammad's trial. The first witness called by the state was Mark Spicer, identified as a sergeant major in the British army with considerable expertise as a sniper. Spicer's job as a witness was to sell to the jury the dubious proposition that professionally trained snipers always work in two-man teams.

The intent was to present Muhammad and Malvo as an inseparable, two-headed beast. Any subsequent evidence implicating Malvo, therefore, would also necessarily implicate Muhammad -- even when it didn't appear to. Muhammad, who briefly served as his own attorney - after demanding just prior to opening statements that he be allowed to exercise that right, much to the consternation of the judge, the prosecutors, the media, and Muhammad's own defense attorneys, Peter Greenspun and Jonathan Shapiro - lodged two perfectly reasonable objections. He first objected on the grounds that he had not been given notice of Spicer's testimony. Prosecutor Paul Ebert responded that he was not, it being Virginia and all, required to provide such notice. Judge LeRoy F. Millette, Jr. quickly agreed. Muhammad next objected on the grounds that Spicer's testimony was not relevant, unless the witness was prepared to show that Muhammad had received the type of training that Spicer was describing. Again, the objection was overruled. Prosecutors did not, needless to say, offer any evidence that Muhammad had received such training -- nor did they offer any explanation for why they had to journey all the way to the UK to find a witness who could establish a key element of their case.

Prosecutors then presented their evidence, such as it was, in support of the charge that Muhammad shot and killed Dean Harold Meyers outside a Prince William County gas station on October 9, 2002. Police officer Steven Bailey testified that he stopped Muhammad and spoke briefly with him as the defendant was attempting to exit a restaurant parking lot from which police claim the fatal shot was fired. Bailey said that this encounter occurred a half-hour after Meyers had been killed. You don't say? So the master sniper picked off a victim and then sat there - in his Snipermobile, cradling his scope-equipped sniper rifle, and checking his Global Positioning System and notebook computer - for a full 30 minutes, while he waited for a massive police response? While he waited for a checkpoint to be established at the exit to the very parking lot that he was sitting in, in his Snipermobile? And then he casually drove away through a phalanx of officers, pausing briefly to chat with officer Bailey? I never would have guessed that. Bailey informed the jury that Muhammad had lied to him that day, claiming that police had directed him into the parking lot. He had accepted that explanation, Bailey testified, and regrettably waved the Snipermobile through -- although you would think that Bailey would have been aware that police were actually barring entry to the lot, not steering cars into it. Jason Salazar offered an eyewitness account of the shooting. Actually, Salazar offered more of an earwitness account. As prosecutor James Willet acknowledged in his opening statement, the state had "no eyewitness testimony to any of these shootings." Willet was quick to add that that only proved "how clever is."

Salazar testified that he heard a shot and subsequently saw Meyers slumped in a pool of blood. He didn't see where the shot came from and he had no idea who had fired it; he only saw the bloody aftermath. Salazar's testimony was apparently intended to introduce jurors to the brutality, and the suddenness, of death by gunshot. For the next three weeks, jurors will be bombarded with graphic images depicting the damage that a .223-caliber assault rifle can do to the human body. The images will be designed to shock and disgust, and they will prove quite effective. No one in the courtroom will mention that, even as jurors and spectators are grimacing at the grisly images, that very same .223-caliber ammunition is ripping apart the bodies of Iraqi men, women, and children. No one will mention that, thousands of miles away, the mayhem depicted in the prosecution's photographic exhibits is an everyday occurrence. And no one will mention that during the three weeks that prosecutors spend presenting their parade of bloody exhibits, the shredded remains of dozens of 'coalition' troops will be shipped home in body bags. Images of that carnage will not be displayed, and so there will be little outrage, and no one will be held accountable. But that, I guess, is another story entirely.

Larry Meyers, a brother of the victim, was called to the stand to eulogize his slain sibling. After doing so, he was shown a photograph of his brother and asked by Ebert: "Does this represent your brother in life?" He was then shown a gruesome crime scene photo and asked: "Does this represent your brother in death?" Larry Meyers had not witnessed his brother's death. His testimony proved only that the prosecution team was perfectly willing to shamelessly exploit the bereaved relatives of victims to inflame the passions of the jury. Linda Thompson, identified as a bank manager, testified that she saw both Muhammad and Malvo, and their Snipermobile, outside her work not long before Meyers was shot nearby. If her identification of Muhammad was accurate, then her testimony placed him, along with thousands of other potential suspects, in the vicinity of the crime within hours of the time that it was committed. Having established that, and nothing more, prosecutors then moved on to other, uncharged, crimes. A Clinton, Maryland restaurant owner named Paul LaRuffa took the stand to describe being shot and robbed outside his place of business on September 5, 2002. He did not see who had shot him. Asked directly by Muhammad if he could identify the shooter in the courtroom, he answered "no."

On the third day, the trial took another unexpected turn: after competently representing himself for two days, Muhammad reportedly asked, during a bench conference, that his attorneys be reinstated. An Associated Press account noted that Muhammad's "face s badly swollen from a chronic toothache" that day in court. The report did not mention why, if the defendant was indeed suffering with a chronic toothache, he had not received treatment for it. The Baltimore Sun reported that Muhammad's decision came "thanks to an abscessed tooth and a little prodding by Judge LeRoy F. Millette, Jr." The trial unexpectedly shut down the next day due to a purported power outage that apparently affected only the courthouse.

Witness Muhammad Rashid took the stand to describe being shot on September 15, 2002 as he locked up the liquor store where he worked in Brandywine, Maryland. Malvo was brought involuntarily to the courtroom by prosecutors so that he could be identified by the witness. The man on trial was not implicated in the uncharged crime, which did not involve the use of the Bushmaster assault rifle; both Rashid and LaRuffa were shot with a .22-caliber weapon. Witness Kellie Adams provided an account of an attack upon her and a co-worker, Claudine Parker, in Montgomery, Alabama that occurred on September 21, just six days after the attack in Brandywine, Maryland. Adams did not see her assailant, but she offered harrowing accounts of her co-worker's death and her own disabling injuries.

Alabama police officer James Graboys identified Malvo, who was again brought involuntarily into the courtroom, as the assailant that he had chased in his police cruiser. He claimed that he had gotten a "very good glimpse" of the attacker, from 10 to 15 feet away. Despite getting that close to the suspect, the officer failed to apprehend him (or shoot him, as might be expected in Alabama when an armed black suspect is seen fleeing a murder scene), as did another officer who testified that he arrived on the scene in time to see a young suspect looking through a purse and then fleeing, with gun in hand. Another witness testified that she found a .22-caliber handgun a month after the shooting near where Graboys had chased the suspect. No witnesses recalled seeing any gun other than the handgun wielded by the fleeing suspect. And no one saw any other assailants. One would assume then that the two victims were shot with the handgun carried by the lone fleeing suspect. Medical examiner Emily Ward, however, had a different story to tell. She claimed that the actual murder weapon was not the handgun that witnesses recalled seeing, but an unseen high-powered rifle -- a rifle wielded by, presumably, an unseen John Allen Muhammad. And that wasn't the only strange twist to this particular crime: although the .22-caliber handgun belatedly recovered from the scene played no role in the crime, it turned out to be, believe it or not, the gun that had allegedly been used to shoot both Paul LaRuffa and Muhammad Rashid! So what we have here is what initially appeared to be a run-of-the-mill, botched liquor store robbery (the two women were shot while locking up the store), committed by a single handgun-wielding suspect who evaded capture by the police, leaving the crime unsolved ... until a month later, when a bizarre phone call inexplicably led to sniper case investigators descending on the Alabama crime scene and suddenly identifying Muhammad and Malvo as the sniper suspects. And at that same time, strangely enough, someone happened to stumble upon a previously undiscovered handgun that connected the unsolved crime in Alabama to two unsolved crimes in Maryland.

Just six days before the shooting in Alabama, Malvo had allegedly used the .22-caliber handgun in Maryland to shoot and rob a victim as that victim closed a liquor store. But in Alabama, although the same assailant, carrying the same gun, was allegedly seen robbing two victims who had just been shot as they closed a liquor store, he wasn't the one who actually shot them. But he was the one who carelessly dropped a .22-caliber handgun, cleverly doing so without leaving any fingerprints on it, even though he had been seen holding it. He wasn't seen, on the other hand, holding a weapons catalogue, but that isn't surprising given that a catalogue isn't the sort of thing that someone would usually bring with them to commit a robbery/homicide. Nevertheless, sniper investigators claim that they recovered from the scene, belatedly of course, a gun catalogue bearing the fingerprints of Lee Malvo. It is interesting to note that the state's fingerprint evidence was limited to prints lifted from a few easily transportable and (with the exception of the rifle) innocuous personal items. The evidence was incriminating, in other words, only because of where the items were allegedly found. In addition to the weapons catalogue allegedly recovered in Montgomery, prosecutors introduced into evidence a bag of Cinnaraisins that Malvo had allegedly left behind, complete with fingerprints, at one crime scene. And near the scene of the Meyers shooting, police purportedly recovered a Baltimore-area map bearing both Muhammad's and Malvo's fingerprints. That map was the only item entered into evidence by the state that bore the defendant's fingerprints. It should go without saying that it would not be at all unusual to find a map of the local area in the vehicle of a driver who was from out of state. It also would not be unusual to find snack food wrappers and maybe a magazine or a catalogue. So if investigators had recovered such items from the Snipermobile, they would have had no real value as evidence. But if those same items somehow turn up near shooting scenes ... well, then suddenly the state has a case. But here we are really getting ahead of ourselves. The state's physical evidence comes later. For now, we return to the witnesses.

Moving on to another uncharged homicide, the state next called witness Tina Leonard, who claimed that she saw Malvo two days after the Alabama shooting -- standing over the body of slain beauty store manager Hong Im Ballenger in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Another witness also placed Malvo at the scene. Church Deacon Henry Goins testified that Muhammad and Malvo came to his church the night of the shooting. Michael Cramer, a pathologist, offered graphic testimony and displayed grisly autopsy photos. The Los Angeles Times provided the following summation of the first week of testimony: "The jury has heard from three survivors of the shootings and seen autopsy photos of three victims. Only one witness has placed Muhammad at the scene of a shooting -- Virginia police Officer Stephen I. Bailey." Only one witness, in other words, offered testimony relevant to establishing Muhammad's guilt for the crime that he is charged with. All the rest was just smoke and mirrors. And the prosecution team was just getting warmed up. To be continued ... (Permission is hereby granted for this material to be widely distributed and reposted, provided that the content is not altered in any way.)

NEWSLETTER #45
November 18, 2003
The DC Sniper Trial, Part I
(www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr45.html)

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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:17 PM
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26. About the "Duck...noose" thing.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 12:19 PM by Silverhair
Receipe for a conspiracy theory.

1. Read and believe "The Manchurian Candidate" type books.

2. Take one highly pulic manhunt, or shooting incident. Sooner or later the sniper makes a mistake and gets caught. (There is a psychological reason for this. Hint: Hide and seek isn't fun until you can brag about how well you hid.)

3. After sniper is caught, review public statements by the police for ANY unusual statements. somebody is bound to say something a bit odd.

4. Claim odd statement was a control statement to activate post hypnotic program in the sniper.

See how easy it is. Try any public manhunt where the guy was caught and it works. If the guy was never caught, (Zodiac Killer) you can always claim that he wasn't supposed to get caught.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:26 PM
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28. Zodiac Killer
The ZK is currently on trial, I believe. I guess he was a Manchurian after all.

Again, this is one I definitely do NOT buy, am only explaining why the symbology in this case has certain people obsessed. Also, any time it's a vet there will be speculation if he was experimented upon in some way (not a seldom occurrence!)

Did you know that Bushmaster .223 is a playful backwards rendering of Master Bush 322? (322 is the Skull & Bones magic number on the front of the building, 32-2 as the 2nd frat founded in 1832.) spoooooky!
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:18 PM
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27. Is he related to Mumia?
If so, then he is definitely innocent.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:33 PM
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29. Kick

hi RB
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