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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:41 PM
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Who is your favorite republican president?
Mine is probably Abraham Lincoln.
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:41 PM
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1. Theodore Roosevelt
but Lincoln is a very close second.
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CSI Willows Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:43 AM
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23. Ditto
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:44 PM
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2. I would have to go with
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 11:59 PM by La_Serpiente
Lincoln. Although most of the Northern Whites at the time didn't want equal rights at the time for blacks, Blacks DID get a HUGE burden off of their soldiers, and Lincoln was a large part of that.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:48 PM
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7. Ahh, what I would give for some good old fashioned Radical Republicans...
nt
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:47 PM
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3. Lincoln
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liberalcapitalist Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:47 PM
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4. Theodore Roosevelt
n/m
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:48 PM
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5. Lincoln
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:48 PM
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6. TR actually is my all time Fave President.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:50 PM
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9. ford
o.k. stop laughing. i know he pardoned nixon, bad. but it's what he did after his presidency. he with carter championed great causes.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:01 AM
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12. Like East Timor?
Ford is "only" responsible for, oh, 200,000 deaths or so; Less than the 2,000,000 under his boss, I guess....

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/

The Indonesian invasion of East Timor in December 1975 set the stage for the long, bloody, and disastrous occupation of the territory that ended only after an international peacekeeping force was introduced in 1999.

President Bill Clinton cut off military aid to Indonesia in September 1999—reversing a longstanding policy of military cooperation—but questions persist about U.S. responsibility for the 1975 invasion; in particular, the degree to which Washington actually condoned or supported the bloody military offensive. Most recently, journalist Christopher Hitchens raised questions about the role of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in giving a green light to the invasion that has left perhaps 200,000 dead in the years since. Two newly declassified documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library, released to the National Security Archive, shed light on the Ford administration’s relationship with President Suharto of Indonesia during 1975. Of special importance is the record of Ford’s and Kissinger’s meeting with Suharto in early December 1975. The document shows that Suharto began the invasion knowing that he had the full approval of the White House. Both of these documents had been released in heavily excised form some years ago, but with Suharto now out of power, and following the collapse of Indonesian control over East Timor, the situation has changed enough that both documents have been released in their entirety.

Other documents found among State Department records at the National Archives elucidate the inner workings of U.S. policy toward the Indonesian crisis during 1975 and 1976. Besides confirming that Henry Kissinger and top advisers expected an eventual Indonesian takeover of East Timor, archival material shows that the Secretary of State fully understood that the invasion of East Timor involved the "illegal" use of U.S.-supplied military equipment because it was not used in self-defense as required by law.

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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:14 AM
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16. stevie
thanks. i was hoping to raise eyebrows.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:29 AM
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39. Gerald Ford? This is a joke?
Gerald Ford as ex-President has done practically nothing except to play golf and to serve on the boards of major corporations.

And I think it is totally inappropriate for former Presidents to work for big corporations. Even when there was clearly no quid pro quo, it still serves to reduce the Office of the President.
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:49 PM
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8. Does anyone have any doubt...
that both Lincoln and TR would be Democrats today?
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:02 AM
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13. More than likely
though Lincoln's views on African-Americans would seem decidedly racist today.

I imagine TR might be a John McCain-type Republican. After all, John McCain is a Theodore Roosevelt-type Republican.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:10 AM
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That would be pretty weird (considering that Lincoln was a racist)
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:14 AM
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18. Yes,to an extent he was
Probably no more than average for HIS time and place,which is the only fair way to judge him. Presumably his attitudes would reflect it if he could somehow jump into the present time.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:49 AM
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25. Lincoln would beccome a democrat immediately..
TR would first read about Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war then would switch parties.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:52 AM
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26. TR was the first 'progressive' president.
He would be a Democrat.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:02 AM
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33. Would he really?
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 03:04 AM by tritsofme
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt TR played a vital part in "pacifying" the Philippines, in what until now was the most openly aggressive imperialistic move the country had taken overseas?

And Lincoln suspending habeas corpus, sounds like a typical Republican to me, yes, he'd fit in just fine.
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:51 PM
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10. Theodore Roosevelt
Followed closely by Lincoln.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:00 AM
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11. Chester A. Arthur
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 12:00 AM by elperromagico
jk
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:04 AM
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27. Interesting choice
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/ca21.html

"No man ever entered the Presidency so profoundly and widely distrusted, and no one ever retired ... more generally respected."

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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:51 AM
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31. See?
Even in my attempts at humor, there are grains of truth.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:20 AM
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36. Oh that's bullshit
Chester A. Arthur was lazy, corrupt and thoroughly unqualified to hold elective office. Prior to being elected Vice President, Arthur's only job of note had been being bagman for Senator Conkling, Boss of New York. He was a complete nobody, a sidekick, a flunky.

In fact his nomination was secured solely to placate the right-wing and corrupt factions in the Republican Party so they wouldn't bolt when the liberal Garfield was nominated.

Arthur did squat as President, except make money for his friends and chase skirts. He had no major political stances. He did sign into law the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act, which helped to put an end to the Spoils System that he had used to rise to the top, but he didn't really fight for it or do much of anything until it was sitting on his desk. He also signed the Chinese Exclusion Act which ranks among the more notable examples of late nineteenth century legislative racism. But I wouldn't blame him for that, because I'm guessing he was drunk when he signed it.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:09 AM
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14. Richard Nixon
Honest. I find his pathologies fascinating. Just finished David Greenberg's "Nixon's Shadow: The History of an Image", but I read every Nixon study/biography/analysis
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:10 AM
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15. He is a fascinating figure.
One reads about him and almost feels pity. Almost. One primarily feels rage and hate, I think.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:14 AM
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17. I know what you mean about almost pity...
Kissinger was wrong about everything else but, "Could you imagine if anyone had ever really loved him?"
Nixon was a tragic monster.
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Sting Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:16 AM
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19. Theodore Roosevelt and Lincoln tied...
Teddy set up the National Park Service that saved what little beauty we have left in nature. Lincoln also on top for his part in freeing the slaves after the Civil War.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:18 AM
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20. Clinton
I know, but I think ill of all republicans now.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 06:14 AM
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43. beat me to it
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:19 AM
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21. Mr. Abraham Lincoln. . .
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:42 AM
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22. Ike
Eisenhouer created the Interstate Highway System also didn't TR creat the National Parks other than that I can't think of anything the
Republicans ever done.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:22 AM
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44. Hi doc03!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:47 AM
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24. Mr. Lincoln, Sir
Perhaps the greatest President of any party in the history of the Union.

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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:44 AM
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40. Agreed, Sir
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 03:47 AM by MSchreader
BTW, did you happen to see the article I posted here about the Gettysburg Address -- "269 words"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=710608

Martin
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:07 AM
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28. Wesley K. Clark
He's my kind of 'Republican,' hmmm?
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:22 AM
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37. Clark was never a Republican
Not never not no how.

He did vote for Republicans on a few occaisions.
Hell, I've voted for Republicans (in municipal elections only, but they're Republicans nonetheless).

But he was never registered with the Republican Party.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:06 AM
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29. I thought
The Wigs were equivalent to the repukes of today....so I would disagree that Lincoln was a republican.

My favorite republican...hmmm....how about Gerald Ford he didn't do too much damage. :)
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:05 AM
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35. Lincoln was a Whig
He was elected to Congress as a Whig in 1846. He became a member of the Republican Party (an outgrowth of the Whig Party and the Know-Nothing Party) in 1856.

However, to call the modern GOP "The Party of Lincoln" is a bit ridiculous.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:09 AM
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30. Lincoln perhaps
It has certainly gone well down hill from there
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UnAmericanJoe Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:59 AM
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32. Technically speaking
Thomas Jefferson was a republican president.
He would certainly be at the top of my list.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:05 AM
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34. Wasnt he a Democratic-Republican?
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:25 AM
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38. Jefferson was a Democrat
He was a member of the Democratic-Republican Party, and was called a "Republican" for short, but the Dem-Repub Party is what Andy Jackson took and turned into the Democratic Party. So Jefferson's political party is a linear antecedent of our own party. That's why, around the country, local Democratic Party organizations hold annual Jefferson-Jackson Day celebrations, in honor of the founders of our Party.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:47 AM
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41. Dammit, thats not fair
Abraham Lincoln is my ONLY favorite Republican President.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 04:46 AM
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42. I like Ike
Though I do admit Theo roosevelt is pretty much up there as well.

Boy, when exactly was the last time the repubs weren't associated with pure self serving evil?

if mcCain was running, I would probably vote for him. but I can't think of anymore then a handful of repubs that don't make me think that reincarnation is real..and all those facists from the last century are coming back as conservatives.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:25 AM
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45. Lincoln or Eisenhower.
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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 10:13 AM
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46. TR
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