Dean Impresses Governor Bill Richardson and Indians on City Tour

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Gov. Bill Richardson today stopped short of calling Howard Dean the man to beat in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Barely.

Dean swept through Albuquerque today, picking up endorsements from Hispanic leaders like former Gov. Toney Anaya and meeting with American Indian leaders.

But after meeting with Dean at the National Hispanic Cultural Center today, Richardson told reporters he thinks the former Vermont governor definitely has some momentum to spare.

"He certainly has the strongest organization here, and I've observed that," Richardson said. "Needless to say, he's running a very effective campaign."

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Gov. Dean won over New Mexico's highest Indian elected official, Linda Lovejoy, a Navajo and former state representative who is the chair of the state's Public Regulatory Commission. "He's right there for me on all the issues," she said after Gov. Dean spoke to a small gathering of supporters.

The governor's address to the NCAI's general assembly drew him a standing ovation. At the conclusion of his remarks, NCAI officials draped Gov. Dean in a Pendleton blanket in recognition of his leadership and courtesy in appearing at NCAI. The crowd cheered at the mention of the names of his co-chairs of his Indian advisory team, former principal chief of the Cherokee nation Wilma Mankiller and LaDonna Harris, head of Americans for Indian Opportunity. The Indian advisory team is believed to be unique to the Dean campaign.

One Arizona tribal leader was compelled to comment from the floor at the end of the address, and said that as someone who has seen Gov. Dean speak on three occasions, that he is always impressed by the Governor's kindness and respect.

From the perspective of an Indian Dean activist who will be working on GOTV for our February ’04 caucuses, Gov. Dean's personal appearance at NCAI will provide a huge boost to our outreach efforts to the Pueblo, Navajo, and Apache tribes and urban Indians as well. Our people will remember who made the trip out West for this event, and who did not.---David Gomez, (Taos Pueblo) on the Dean blog

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1. ;kick:

:kick:

[bearfartinthewoods]

32. INDIANS????

what is Dean doing in Asia or what are Indians doing in New Mexico, land of enchantement and a home to a whole lot of NATIVE AMERICANS or OP(ORIGINAL PEOPLE).

[Zomby Woof]

64. we're all immigrants here

Most Indians don't mind being called Indians, so why should you?

They arrived 10,000 or so years before us, give or take a millenium or two.

Anyone born on this continent, including South America, is a native American. It's just PC nonsense to saddle the Indians with yet another pseudo-sensitive name. You can tell when PC takes over because two words does the work of one.

To clear up a myth, the Indians of this continent weren't given their name because Columbus thought he had reached India. That is because India was called Hindustan back then. He called them that because he said they were "en Dios" (roughly people of God). Yes, his attempted christianization led to disease and genocide, but that is how they got their name. End of story.

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. if effort was all it took to win the nomination

Dean would win it in a landslide. He is just flat-out out-hustling the other candidates on the ground all over the country.

[eileen_d]

3. Well, Clark and Kucinich were at NCAI as well

Just the facts, sir/ma'am.

[Larkspur]

7. Apparently, they didn't impress the Indians at the convention

It seems Dean just didn't show up to speak to the group. He actually did his homework on the needs of Indians and addressed their major issues.

[eileen_d]

10. And your proof of that is?

Here's an article that suggests otherwise:
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/111803_news_ncai.shtml

[slinkerwink]

13. there's nothing said from Indian leaders about Clark.....

:shrug:

[Larkspur]

19. Proof is right here

The governor's address to the NCAI's general assembly drew him a standing ovation. At the conclusion of his remarks, NCAI officials draped Gov. Dean in a Pendleton blanket in recognition of his leadership and courtesy in appearing at NCAI....

One Arizona tribal leader was compelled to comment from the floor at the end of the address, and said that as someone who has seen Gov. Dean speak on three occasions, that he is always impressed by the Governor's kindness and respect.

From the perspective of an Indian Dean activist who will be working on GOTV for our February ’04 caucuses, Gov. Dean's personal appearance at NCAI will provide a huge boost to our outreach efforts to the Pueblo, Navajo, and Apache tribes and urban Indians as well. Our people will remember who made the trip out West for this event, and who did not.---

[slinkerwink]

9. didn't seem to impress the Indians......

:shrug:

[eileen_d]

11. Again, your proof is?

http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/111803_news_ncai.shtml

The presence of Dean does not negate the presence of other candidates.

[slinkerwink]

14. it does because the tribal leaders, and a few people are mentioned in my

article, and there's nothing from a person who attended the NCAI rally to get their perspective on Clark.

[Renew Deal]

17. Links

Do you have a link for the article?

[slinkerwink]

20. sure, it's on the Dean blog....

http://blog.deanforamerica.com

[SahaleArm]

36. How about a press article - not some contrived DFA editorial

And no I'm not going to do the reasearch because I didn't make the vague and unsubstantiated claim.

[THUNDER HANDS]

12. yeah but....

Dean is more experienced campaigner than Clark and has more organizational skill than Kucinich.

Combine that with work ethic, and you have a formidable foe in Dean.

[eileen_d]

15. Well, I don't deny that

I was simply reporting the presence of other candidates at NCAI. Apparently I am now bashing Dean. Apparently, when I wake up in the morning and breathe oxygen, I am denying Dean's strength as a candidate. Apparently, when I pour a bowl of Special K and add milk, I am a DLC insider actively working to subvert Dean's candidacy.

I give up.

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. I'm glad you realized the evil of your ways

Now go to the blackboard and write "I will not disparage the good name of St. Dean" 100 times. :D

[slinkerwink]

28. you were basically ignoring the NCAI and Bill Richardson

that said that Dean effectively had the endorsements of his organization....

[SahaleArm]

37. No he didn't - Quit parroting an editorial comment.

RTFA - Richardson did not endorse Dean, period!

[slinkerwink]

39. the editorial comment is from an Indian editor on the newspaper

:eyes: I'd say that gives him more credibility since he attended the event.

[SahaleArm]

41. No it's an editorial - Nothing more.

The journalist is simply stating his opinion and you're spouting it off as fact. I'm sure you know the difference so don't expect concessions on an opinion.

[slinkerwink]

42. it hurts that Bill Richardson likes Dean, doesn't it?

"Dean swept through Albuquerque today, picking up endorsements from Hispanic leaders like former Gov. Toney Anaya and meeting with American Indian leaders.

But after meeting with Dean at the National Hispanic Cultural Center today, Richardson told reporters he thinks the former Vermont governor definitely has some momentum to spare."

[SahaleArm]

45. I can't argue with a parrot *nm*

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46. ahhh...I can't argue with a parrot either.....

:nopity:

[SahaleArm]

48. Can't win on the facts so change the subject?

We were arguing about whether or not Richardson endorsed Dean. Based on the facts the answer is no. Now your changing the subject to whether or not Richardson likes Dean, a point I never argued in the first place.

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50. and calling me a parrot helps things?

:shrug:

[SahaleArm]

52. Don't change the subject and I won't call you a parrot *nm*

[slinkerwink]

53. you changed the subject by calling me names...

:shrug:

[SahaleArm]

55. Bzzzt! Wrong Answer, See post #42 for change of subject *nm*

[retyred]

61. And this means what?

"Please don't frame it that he's endorsing Gov. Dean, because he's not," a spokesperson for New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said Wednesday after the two governors held a joint press conference in Albuquerque.

As chair of the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Boston, Richardson, one of the nation's highest-ranking minority politicians, may not formally endorse any of the Democratic candidates competing to be their party's nominee for president.

"Gov. Dean has an impressive array of endorsements from New Mexico from Hispanic and Native American leaders," Richardson said. "Literally, my organization's endorsed him."

When Richardson's office was pressed for an explanation on just what the governor meant by his "organization," the response was simply "his coalition of supporters."

Both Dean and Richardson insisted that their joint appearance did not constitute an endorsement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/politics/main584711.shtml

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So where's the official endorsement? Richardson Can't and NCAI hasn't, so other than a post of people liking dean I see no real meat to this endorsement claim.

I think it's nice that some folks like him, but his supporters need to see that there is a difference between a smile and a handshake and being officially on the dean bus.


retyred in fla
so i read this book

[calimary]

4. What does NCAI stand for?

[eileen_d]

5. National Congress of American Indians.

Here's their web site: http://www.ncai.org/index.asp

[Larkspur]

6. Inclusivness in Dean's advisory council is inspiring

The crowd cheered at the mention of the names of his co-chairs of his Indian advisory team, former principal chief of the Cherokee nation Wilma Mankiller and LaDonna Harris, head of Americans for Indian Opportunity. The Indian advisory team is believed to be unique to the Dean campaign.

It's inspiring that the areas Dean is weak in he finds knowledgable people, who are experts in those areas to help him understand the situation and develop a sound policy. Attracting quality advisors and listening to them are the hallmarks of a good leader.

[Hep]

8. WOW

The number of idiots and fanatics in this country is phenomenal!

;)

[LuminousX]

16. The CBS Story on this

Howard Dean's New Mexico Love-In

Richardson acknowledged he had played host to other Democratic candidates including Sen. John Edwards and Sen. John Kerry. However, he quickly added, "I'm very impressed with the fact that the governor (Howard Dean) had not just swooped in and out, but he's been here several times."

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18. that's almost an implicit endorsement!

;-)

[Rose Siding]

21. Richardson's "organization"...

In the CBS article:

"Gov. Dean has an impressive array of endorsements from New Mexico from Hispanic and Native American leaders," Richardson said. "Literally, my organization's endorsed him."

Maybe he's refering to the NDN, a progressive split off of the DLC. See who's at the podium-

http://www.newdem.org/

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22. I think it means the NCAI.....

:shrug:

[Scott Lee]

23. "Our people will remember who made the trip out West for this event"

..and who did not."

I think that says it all. Gep, Kerry, Lieberman were all too busy working the usual Insider game.

[slinkerwink]

26. that does say it all...

besides, I think there's something to Bill Richardson saying his organization had effectively endorsed Dean.

[SahaleArm]

29. Can you get the exact source quote and link?

Or are you just making stuff up as usual?

[slinkerwink]

31. it's right there in the original post in the last paragraph....

have you forgotten how to read?

[SahaleArm]

34. Nothing about exclusive endorsement of Dean

From the perspective of an Indian Dean activist who will be working on GOTV for our February ’04 caucuses, Gov. Dean's personal appearance at NCAI will provide a huge boost to our outreach efforts to the Pueblo, Navajo, and Apache tribes and urban Indians as well. Our people will remember who made the trip out West for this event, and who did not.

Both Clark and Kucinich spoke before NCAI this past week.

http://clark04.com/issues/nativeamericans/

Gov. Bill Richardson today stopped short of calling Howard Dean the man to beat in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

This is basically an editorial comment not fact. Again tell me where Dean is being endorsed by either Richardson or the NCAI?

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38. well.....most of the NCAI members have endorsed Dean

"He certainly has the strongest organization here, and I've observed that," Richardson said. "Needless to say, he's running a very effective campaign."

[SahaleArm]

44. Three members - is now 'most'?

You really should read Al Franken's latest book.

Gov. Dean won over New Mexico's highest Indian elected official, Linda Lovejoy, a Navajo and former state representative who is the chair of the state's Public Regulatory Commission. "He's right there for me on all the issues," she said after Gov. Dean spoke to a small gathering of supporters.

That's one.

The crowd cheered at the mention of the names of his co-chairs of his Indian advisory team, former principal chief of the Cherokee nation Wilma Mankiller and LaDonna Harris

That's two and three.

Where's the rest or do you think the entire NCAI is made up of three members?

[Scott Lee]

62. Where did you learn how to count?

From the post that started this thread -

"The governor's address to the NCAI's general assembly drew him a standing ovation. At the conclusion of his remarks, NCAI officials draped Gov. Dean in a Pendleton blanket in recognition of his leadership and courtesy in appearing at NCAI. "

A standing ovation (gee, you don't usually get those from people who don't 'endorse' you) from the general assembly. I'll bet you one Hagoneeh that there were more than three people in the general assembly to hear Dean speak.

I realize this is going to traumatize you, but more and more people are liking Dean. Grief counseling is available for those who need it.

[SahaleArm]

67. Holy Sh*t - Now a standing-O is an endorsement?

Kucinich and Clark got blankets - Does that mean they got endorsed as well? Hey if a standing-O is an endorsement then a blanket must be as well be. A standing-O is not an endorsement any way you cut it. If you're looking for affirmation you came to the wrong thread.

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24. :kick:

:kick:

[Forkboy]

27. I wonder why all the people concerned with Native Americans

aren't in this thread?

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30. yes, why does this thread have 28 replies

and the other thread above has over 100 replies? Oh, that's right, they don't want to hear Indians say great things about Dean.




:nuke:

[Forkboy]

33. I dont think they care so much

one thing I've noticed here at DU over the last few months is that people who dont like Dean will sieze on ANYTHING that fits their negative ideas about the man.

In their claim of caring for Native Americans many of them dont see how they are just using them for their own political reasons.

This thread would seem to be a measure of their hypocrisy.

[slinkerwink]

35. I agree......sometimes it sucks to be the front-runner

but I'm behind Dean 100% all the way because he's always out there front in the lead, issuing the first press releases, and the first to reach an ethnic group, etc.

[Forkboy]

40. That's a big part of it

the frontrunner wears the biggest bullseye :)

I'm not a Dean supporter but I would vote for him,and wouldn't have too many worries about doing so.

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43. aww, thanks-----it's ABB for me, and Dean's the strongest one out there

:-)

[Noordam]

47. Sounds like Dean is picking up

more and more "groups" of ppl...

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49. what's the paraphrasing of "groups" for?

:shrug:

[slinkerwink]

51. kick for that stupid thread with the one-line post.

:kicks:

[Bertrand]

54. The NCAI wont endorse Dean

i have faith that they will acknowledge what he did the Abernaki people.

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56. did you even read the post?

:shrug: plus, the Abernaki people didn't meet the requirements to get a casino.

[Bertrand]

59. I did

The NCAI hasnt endorsed anyone yet. I have confidence in the Abenaki people educating NCAI and various other Native American Organizations in what Dean did as Governor to them.

Also, the Abenaki people werent asking for a casino, but legal soverignity being recognized by the State of Vermont, as it once did in 1976 but rescinded in 1977 when the republican Governor came into office.

A greater thread on the subject is here:

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=744511

[SahaleArm]

57. Are you enjoying the disarmament of the good Doctor?

:evilgrin:

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58. here you go

St. Francis said Dean had hurt her tribe's progress by refusing to grant it state recognition on grounds that if he did, it would trigger federal recognition and allow the Abenaki to open a casino on their lands near Swanton in northwest Vermont, as well as making land claims.

Dean, as governor, based his opposition to state recognition for Abenaki on a Vermont attorney general's opinion that said the Abenaki presence has not been constant during the past 100 years, a requirement for legal recognition.

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60. Dean builds fence - Says no to the Abenaki people

If only the Abenaki would put on their feathers, dance their dances and agree to be the sort of feel-good cultural attraction Vermont tourist officials could promote.

That, it would appear, is the attitude the state will go on taking toward the long-maligned tribe until the day Gov. Howard Dean leaves office in January.

...

The state's position, from its perch outside the loop, is that federal Census and other data in the period of 1860 to 1960 show little evidence of an ongoing Abenaki organization in Vermont.

"One of the criterion is if there was a meaningful community of individuals that existed as a political entity for that time," Chief Deputy Attorney General William Griffin said. "We've seen no evidence of that."

Various Native American scholars at Dartmouth College, the University of Vermont and elsewhere disagree.

They say that, for decades, the Abenaki simply hid their heritage from Census workers and others under fear of persecution.

"Just because it was hidden doesn't mean it wasn't real," historian Nancy Callahan said.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/Columnists/Sam/0313042611.htm

[Scott Lee]

63. Ever notice the antiDeans had no idea who the Abenaki even are

Until Howard Dean ran for president?

Today's lesson: IRONY.

[Zomby Woof]

65. speak for yourself

I live in the southwest and loathe Dean. I know who the Abenaki are. :P

[Scott Lee]

66. Well I live in the Southwest too, and support Dean

And I'm sure once the Hate Dean movement got going, you found out who the Abenaki are.

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68. :kick:

:kick: