Have you ever personally invited a chickenhawk to enlist?

[bluestateguy]

If you have, I'd like to hear your story. I never have, although maybe someday I should do it. Maybe I could run-off some copies of enlistment forms and pass them out to college Republicans and Young Conservatives. Or I could publicly humiliate a hawkish student in a class discussion, though I think that would be unprofessional for me to do as an instructor. Anyway, I think if we put more of these chickenhawks on the defensive by inviting them to enlist, rather than simply pointing out their lack of service, we could get our message out far better. Please feel free to share your experiences.

[JohnKleeb]

1. You bet

When I with a classmate spoke out in a debate against the war, I asked them would they enlist if they could, and I got half yes's I think were likely just to appease me and half no's and one even said, I would flee to Canada if I could. Oh I am glad I asked em that.

[proud patriot]

2. "I'm too old"

That's what they say to me .

[IndianaGreen]

3. I have done that to the few chickenhawk DUers

and they had as many excuses as Cheney and Rush.

[JohnKleeb]

5. we have some?

:shrug: tell me IG, I havent seen it. I know you are a vet though.

[XNASA]

4. Yes. Yes I have.

A couple of times. One memorable time was following an anti-war rally downtown at Federal Plaza. A group of young repubs in suits were passing out pro-war literature. I stopped to talk to them, and I feigned getting all charged up about the invasion and told them, "All able bodied young Americans should enlist in support. Right?". They all voiced their approval, then I asked them why none of them were serving in the Armed Forces if they were so in favor of the invasion of Iraq.

I pointed to the Federal Building and told them that there was an enlistment office in there and that they show all go and join.

When one of them said to me, "Why don't you go and join?" I said, "Well, they won't take you if your over 35. Besides, I already have an Honorable Discharge from the Navy."

They just looked at me dumbfounded.

[TacticalPeek]

14. Cool.

:toast:

[NNN0LHI]

6. Yes. My brothers son in law who I just about threw out of my house

Fundie Fox viewer. Big boy too. Male nurse. Could really be needed in Iraq. Told him we had a lot of wounded soldiers who could use his expertise in Iraq if he was so gung ho. Said he would wait until he was drafted. Started pointing his finger towards my chest. Told him to back off if he was planning on keeping that finger. He did. He ain't been back since.

Don

[Fescue4u]

7. no, its disengenious

Enlisting in the military is not a requirement to have an opinion on what it is doing.

We all pay taxes and fund the military and have a say in how its used, regardless of service.

[Nlighten1]

8. Oy

We are talking about people's lives here. You know that right? Taxes be damned...

[Fescue4u]

12. Uh..yes..exactly

Maybe you should expand on your arugment a bit so that we don't agree so much!

[TacticalPeek]

15. "not a requirement to have an opinion"

True, but I would always be interested in their opinion of why someone else should risk death, maiming, etc., to defend their country and they should not. I understand that there are reasons, but I want to hear them and see how they hold up in the person's world view, since we're talking about people who "support" the war but refuse to serve.

The "let's y'all and them fight" wing of American patriots.

[Nlighten1]

9. I have done a couple of different things in this respect.

The first...I told a fundy hawk that I work with that his son (19) needs to be getting his ass down to the Recruiting Center ASAP.

The second...I told my fundy brother (Who is a Captain in the Army) that he needs to be asking for a Tour of Duty in Iraq. Which he isn't...he sent me an email about his new post...in Nevada...that he actively pursued. I just had to ask him why he wasn't looking to get back into a combat unit and get over to Iraq. His response was "It's too hard to try to get in a combat unit now".

I was like...:wow:


What a load of bs. So I started in on the "you are a chickenhawk bitch" routine.

[Carolina]

10. When I challenged a wingnut

medical student to don the uniform and fight for his beliefs, he looked at me and rather Cheneyesque said: "but I'm busy with school."
Then when I informed him that he could easily withdraw from school, fight his "good fight" and return to resume his studies later, he said nothing verbally, but his eyes said that he had other priorities. I couldn't let it go and continued with my best Cheneyesque sneer: "actions speak louder than words and how typical of your ilk that you talk the talk but NEVER walk the walk. You're for war as long as someone else is doing the fighting and dying."

It was rather unprofessional of me as a professor (one of many in a multi-faceted course), but I couldn't help myself since he is so rabidly and vocally pro-war despite being a self-confessed conservative, Christian, prolife doctor to be! I do not determine his grade so he had no fear of ramifications and thus did not report me the course director, department chair or dean, but I would not have cared if he had. I am sick of biting my tongue when confronted by some these snotty, Bush-like jerks who feel they can say anything, anywhere, anytime because they're "right" and this is a red state.

The sad/bad part is that this kid is very bright, near the top of his medical class. A smart fascist, a future Dr. Mengele.

[Nlighten1]

11. I think you did the right thing.

Give them hell.

[TacticalPeek]

13. "we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship"

Oorah!



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[izzie]

16. No but I once told some Can to go back to Canada.

I frankly had had it, they spent all the time telling me how they hated the USA so I told them to go back home if you do not like it here. They were a little taken back, and then told me they were sorry but they could not make the same pay in Can so worked here.I have been to Canada a 100 times and I have never run down their country to them so felt I was in the right to do this.I think we can make our country better but I like being an American.