if Dean wins the nomination he will not ask his supporters for any more $

[pruner]

instead he'll ask them to donate to congressional campaigns.

this info comes from someone who attended one of Dean's "grassroots summits" today at which Joe Trippi was the featured speaker.

just to be clear, this doesn't mean he'll stop soliciting donations should he lock-up the nomination early… it means he'd stop soliciting donations following the convention.

[slinkerwink]

1. really? that's amazing!

This is why Dean's got the coattails, baby!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

54. If he does that, it would be great

It's important to get Congress back.

[whirlygigspin]

2. Brilliant!

Abanaki's for Dean!

[slinkerwink]

3. :kick:

[neuvocat]

4. Why not both?

[pruner]

6. well, for one…

he'd be participating in the public financing system for the general election (as will Bush) which I believe gives them $74 million.

[neuvocat]

14. I guess I don't follow.

Bush is looking to have 200 mil to work with for the campaign, so woulnd't he still have a vast amount of cash greater than Dean's?

[hedda_foil]

5. He was talking about after the convention ...

He's not going to leave himself open to Rove's attack machine before the federal funds for the general election campaign open up. After that, though, Trippi did say that Dean will be asking his supporters to send money to Congressional candidates instead of to him.

On edit: Pruner, you were editing to clarify at the same time as I was posting to make the same point.

[pruner]

7. I just added that clarification to my original post

:)

[slinkerwink]

8. which means that Dean'll be asking the DNC to help raise money for him

instead of going to his supporters so the supporters can give the money to congressional candidates. By god, Dean does mean to get us the House and the Senate...

[greendog]

9. uhm....then just exactly where is his money going to come from?

?????????????????
:)

[pruner]

10. US taxpayers

:)

[Julien Sorel]

11. Since both sides will be taking fed funds after the nomination,

this is simply flim-flam.

Breaking news: a eunuch has taken a vow of chastity.

A hobo has taken a vow of poverty.

Ridiculous.

[slinkerwink]

12. buh-buh.........

:bounce: Oh, btw, most presidential candidates haven't directly asked their supporters to donate money to congressional candidates...

[Skwmom]

17. Just another example of Dean trying to "buy" support

and unfortunately too many people are for sale. It always has to be about "what is in it for me."

[slinkerwink]

20. "buy" support? wtf......?

Asking 500,000 supporters to donate money to congressional races isn't buying support, it's encouraging political activism. I'd applaud Clark if he said he was doing this.....sometimes I wonder about you....

[pruner]

23. …

edited cause you're not worth it…

[Eloriel]

39. Uhhh, if he were trying to "buy support," I'd be the one getting $$

not sending it.

See how that works?

Think about it.

Eloriel

[AWD]

42. No, but I will be.....

....but since I was already a Dean supporter, I guess he doesn't need to buy my vote.

Since the comment was on ignore, I'm not sure what was said...but since it was on ignore, I'm sure it was an asinine comment.

[Scott Lee]

58. What the hell are you talking about?

It's "buying support" to say you won't ask your supporters to give more money to your campaign after nomination?

Check altimeter. Cabin pressure may be low.

[HFishbine]

13. So if Clark

wins the nomination, you will expect him to direct supporters to do the same?

[Julien Sorel]

15. Why wouldn't I?

[slinkerwink]

16. you're sounding upset that Dean already has articulated a long-term goal

for getting the House and the Senate back.

[Skwmom]

19. No amount of money is going to help the congressional candidates

if Dean is the nominee. The whole Democratic party will be painted as hated filled, lying, hypocrites.

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[Andromeda]

46. Well, if the shoe fits---

then you should wear it!:argh:

[unfrigginreal]

50. LOL

The whole Democratic party...hated filled, lying, hypocrites.

You've got a point...hell, I've even noticed a couple of them in this thread.

[Julien Sorel]

21. Asking his supporters to donate money is a

long term goal?

[slinkerwink]

24. no, encouraging political participation in congressional races is a

long-term goal.....

[Julien Sorel]

25. But every candidate does this as a matter of course.

Sharpton is out there registering voters every day, in fact, not just asking people to donate. Oh wait -- he embarrassed Dean, so his efforts don't count.

This is just Dean and his Deanites trying to mask his negative coattails.

[slinkerwink]

26. Sharpton has no coattails within the black community because of his past..

remember that?

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[Julien Sorel]

28. This wasn't about Sharpton -- remember that?

I used him as an example of what every candidate is doing that you are now claiming is unique to Dean.

[dsc]

29. that is flat out false

I have never, not ever, heard of a Presidential candidate doing this. Yes they register voters etc. But they never tell supporters don't give me money give Congressional candidate Jones money instead.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Wow...

Dean sounds superspecial.......like hanging a carrot out there will do the trick! well.... whatever!

[Julien Sorel]

31. He can't take money from his supporters at that point,

so this whole thing is simply creating the illusion of false virtue, which I pointed out in my original post -- there was a reason I chose those metaphors. Every candidate tries to get as many people elected as possible -- why are Dean's efforts in this in any way different?

[dsc]

32. I used to get fundraising letters all the time

and even as Clinton had the election well in hand in 96 none of his letters said just give to Congressman x they said give to me and Congressman x if Congressman X was lucky. In my case alone back in 96 letters worded as Dean is saying his would have been would have resulted in an extra $75 bucks for LaTourette's opponent in 96. I gave to both. I would have followed the instructions. I hardly think I am unique in this regard.

[HFishbine]

33. You are misinformed

He can indeed take money from his supporters after the nomination.

[slinkerwink]

34. thanks.....and it's called the general election....

;-)

[Julien Sorel]

35. Really?

Following the presidential nominating convention, the nominee of each major party may become eligible for a public grant of $74 million for campaigning in the 2004 general election.To be eligible to receive the public funds, the candidate must limit campaign spending to the amount of the grant and may not accept private contributions for the campaign. Candidates may raise and spend some private money to cover compliance and limited fundraising costs. Such spending does not count against the expenditure limit. Additional campaign spending for and against the presidential candidates also comes from the national and state parties, independent expenditures by PACs, and soft money expenditures by special interest groups and wealthy individuals.


http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/documents/how_pub_fi_works.pdf

[HFishbine]

36. Right

And as you clearly noted, there are exceptions that allow a candidate to continue to receive donations after the nominating convention.

[Julien Sorel]

37. LOL

He can't take private contributions. The 'some money' that can be spent on compliance stuff is negligible by current standards. Even if he could accept private money, he couldn't spend it anyway, so it's irrelevant. Dean's 'offer' is charlatanism and flim-flammery from the 'straight shooting' candidate.

[HFishbine]

38. Here's something we can both laugh at

Negligible? Okay, I have to admit this was a bit of a shocker to me. I didn't think the amount of money that goes to the "compliance comittees" was negligible, but I had no idea how substantial it was.

The post-general election filing for the Bush Cheney 2000 Compliance Committee shows total receipts of $1,931,544.59 from individuals for the period from 10/15/2000 to 11/27/2000 and $6,890,846.97 for the calendar year to-date.



Apparently, money just gets "parked" in these compliance committe funds and is then "transfered" to the candidate's campaign commitee over time.



It would seem as if compliance committees are a way for campaigns to continue to accept funds and remain within the letter of the law.

While I think what this shows is that the public financing laws are not all that they seem, I hope you can also see that Dean's willingness to direct his supporters to contribute to congressional candidates after the nomination is not insignificant.

[Hep]

40. But isn't it all moot?

Dean opted out of public financing, didn't he? So he isn't subject to the terms of PF rules. I could be wrong.

[HFishbine]

43. Hep

Dean opted out of PF for the primaries. He can, and I suspect almost certainly will, for the $75M, opt in for the general election.

[dsc]

57. He didn't completely opt out

and neither did Bush. They will both get 74 million for the general election if Dean gets the nomination. That would presumedly requrie some rules be followed.

[Julien Sorel]

48. Not quite.

Apparently, money just gets "parked" in these compliance committe funds and is then "transfered" to the candidate's campaign commitee over time.

These funds can't be 'transferred into the candidate's campaign committee over time,' because they are earmarked for specific purposes: paying legal costs and so on associated with the campaign. They can, potentially, after the campaign is terminated (years after, as the Gore-Lieberman campaign apparently still has 7 million dollars sitting around in their compliance fund which nobody knows what to do with, and nobody quite knows what can be done with it), be used by the candidate in a future election, but it's a gray area that hasn't been legally tested as far as I know. For the purpose of the 2004 campaign, these monies are irrelevant, as both candidates have the 74 million dollar spending cap. Giving away phantom money is a non-offer, ie charlatanism and right in line with Howard Dean.

Finally, you are focusing on the revenue side of the equation; from the standpoint of the campaign, it's the expense side that's relevant (and that I referenced), since the excess can't be spent. The expenses were, according to your own form, about $300,000 as far as I can tell (line 30, total disbursements, - line 28D, total refunds.) $300,000 in a campaign that spent $74 million is a negligible amount of money, not quite 1/2 of 1%.

[AWD]

44. Nice to know....

Nice to know that you think asking supporters to donate to other Democratic campaigns is "charlatanism".

Thanks very much.

There are some of us running for Congress who NEED that money. And Dean has shown that his supporters donate to him whenever he asks....one simple MENTION of my campaign on his webpage could bring thousands of dollars my way.

But since that's "flim-flammery", I guess I should change my support to the guy who once asked people to donate to Republicans instead????

[HFishbine]

18. Because

he's given no indication that he will. But, I guess he can't because, if he did it would be a flim-flam, right?

[AWD]

45. Let's see.....

...Dean, the guy who asks his supporters to donate to other Democratic candidates?

Or Clark, the guy who recently asked people to donate to Republicans?

Gee, hard choice to make there.......

[sandnsea]

49. Oh, it's a rule, lol

What an ass. They know it's a rule and try to turn it into some magnanimous gesture. What if Dean DOESN'T get the nomination, does he still have the position that he can't tell these kids what to do?

[onebigbadwulf]

51. No its not

It's a rule for people accepting federal matching funds. Dean has denied this.

[Julien Sorel]

52. I see. So let me see if I understand your position -- and please,

do correct me if I'm wrong.

Dean will refuse the 74 million in federal funds (Bush is probably going to accept them, by the way). However, he's not going to do any fundraising for himself after the convention. Instead, he's going to ask his cultists -- I mean followers -- to donate money to congressional candidates and so on. If that's the case, what money will Dean spend in the general election?????????????? No federal money. No fundraising for himself. I realize that Dean is a once in a lifetime candidate who is not bound by the old mundane rules, but surely he would need to spend some money in his inevitable thumping of the hapless Bush. Where's it going to come from?

[MercutioATC]

53. If Dean's the nominee, it won't just be his CURRENT supporters...

...it'll be DEMOCRATS. Dean, as the nominee, would have at least twice the number of people supporting his campaign that he does now (granted, possibly not as devoted as his original group, but still committed to ousting Bush). That's one hell of a lot of fundraising potential...

[Julien Sorel]

55. But he isn't going to ask them for money.

So their 'potential' doesn't exist, except for the hardworking candidates for Congress, like our own Jeff Seeman, who benefit from Dean's largesse. So where is Dean going to get his money? No fed funds. No funds from his supporters. Will his campaign run on air?

[MercutioATC]

56. You think his supporters will stop giving to his campaign?

We may very well give a portion of the money to local Dem candidates and not ALL of it to Dean, but I know I'LL be contributing to his campaign regardless...

[AWD]

41. Oh YEAH BABY!!!!!!!

Every day, I like this guy more and more....thanks Dr. Dean!

[onebigbadwulf]

47. I'm going to donate to him after he wins

so are all my buddies


Too bad DEAN! Suck my cash!