JFK: Four disturbing questions...

[TruthIsAll]

Google is the best tool ever to get up to speed quickly on anything. If investigators had access to the Internet back in the 60s and 70s... well, they didn't. But we do.

1.Is it true that the government told extra security to stand down in Dallas the day of the parade?

Stand Down in Dallas
... told their assistance was not needed in Dallas during the ... member of the crack 112th Military Intelligence Group ... when they were told to "Stand Down" rather than ...
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2.Is it true the parade route was altered - and what was the reason given?

Agents Go On the Record
... the plans for Dallas were altered by Secret ... The route of the presidential parade violated Secret ... interviews with this correspondent, the route was strongly ...
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3. Is it true that international papers already had headlines with Oswald's picture and a full bio on him just hours after the shooting (making one thing it was a prepared story and an Op)?

... activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,misc.legal ... former CIA liaison officer L. Fletcher |Prouty. ... Oswald was published in New Zealand newspapers immediately ...
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4. Where is this so-called "incontrovertable" evidence that autopsy photos were touched up?

How Five Investigations into JFK's Medical/Autopsy Evidence Got ...
... If the images are valid proof little brain ... FBI fired the experienced Navy autopsy photographer from ... American Medical Association interview, JFK’s pathologist ...
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[Media_Lies_Daily]

1. Excellent questions and answers...thanks!

[jsw_81]

2. Your questions

1. Is it true that the government told extra security to stand down in Dallas the day of the parade?

No.

2. Is it true the parade route was altered - and what was the reason given?

The parade route was NOT altered.

3. Is it true that international papers already had headlines with Oswald's picture and a full bio on him just hours after the shooting?

Go here for the explanation.

4. Where is this so-called "incontrovertable" evidence that autopsy photos were touched up?

In your imagination. Go here for a ton of info. on the medical evidence/autopsy. It was NOT "faked" or "forged" by anybody.

Lee Harvey Oswald did it. There is NO credible evidence for a conspiracy of any kind. Case closed.

[annak110]

7. I'm afraid you can't close the case...

If I recall correctly the following facts were reported not long after the assassination: 1. The secret service did not accompany the Kennedys to Dallas. 2.The parade route was altered (this was reported almost immediately) 3. Explanations given today that counter the early statements about what happened need to be questioned. One reason for this is that lots of people saw the aftermath "live" on T.V. People saw Oswald brought out of a Dallas Police Station (why???) and they watched Jack Ruby walk right up and shoot him (why???) Just those two viewed events made people wonder what the hell was going on. How did Jack Ruby know where to meet the uncalled for cop parade? etc.

If it doesn't matter what lots of people think what does it matter what you think and how is it you believe yourself to be an authority in the matter ?

[jsw_81]

23. You're wrong on nearly every count

1. The secret service did not accompany the Kennedys to Dallas.

Absolutely incorrect. Secret Service agents accompanied the Kennedys during the entire trip.

2.The parade route was altered (this was reported almost immediately)

Wrong again. Go here, please.

People saw Oswald brought out of a Dallas Police Station (why???)

He was being moved.

...and they watched Jack Ruby walk right up and shoot him (why???)

Because Ruby was a very disturbed individual who wanted to be famous (just like Oswald). Ruby even thought that he'd be celebrated as a hero for killing Oswald. And, contrary to what the conspiracy theorists would have you believe, Ruby always insisted that he acted alone.

... How did Jack Ruby know where to meet the uncalled for cop parade?

The police told the media when and where Oswald would move the night before. Ruby had many friends in the Dallas Police Department and as a result he was able to walk right in and assassinate the assassin.

[annak110]

25. I see that you seem to be getting your "information"

from "The History Channel" I have seen a lot of other misinformation on that channel, it seems that it carries over to the online site. There's a lot of revising
of history going on right now.

[TruthIsAll]

8. You are sadly misinformed or in a state of Denial. And you already

told us on another thread that only LIBERALS believe it was a conspiracy.

When you made that statement, you exposed your bias and your ignorance.

Just curious: How old are you? Were you even alive in 1963. I was 20 years old. I know about the Warren Commission, the Clay Shaw trial, Viet Nam, Watergate, the Rockefeller Commission, the HSCA investigation in 1977.


Have you read these books?
Rush to Judgment - Mark Lane
Plausible Denial - Mark Lane
Crossfire - Jim Marrs
Six Seconds in Dallas - Josiah Thompson
Best Evidence (I forget)
On the Trail of the Assassins- Jim Garrison
The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi

I bet you haven't. Read them. I did, and read quite a few others. Many years ago.

They are written for all Americans. Not just liberals.

They are written for people like yourself, who are for some reason, in denial, or just plain ignorant. Or impressionable.

Or who hate liberals. JFK was a liberal.

[jsw_81]

12. I'm misinformed and in denial?

That's hilarious coming from a conspiracy kook like you. And no, I didn't say that only liberals believed in a conspiracy. Plenty of conservatives believe the conspiracy junk as well.

Yes, I've read most of the books you listed, and they were ALL riddled with errors, distortions and even blatent lies. IIRC, one of them even claimed that a Secret Service agent shot Kennedy by accident. :eyes:

[TruthIsAll]

14. Name the book I mentioned which states that. Go ahead. Source it.

BTW, did you take my test yet?

And you DID say liberals. I'll copy and paste.

You said in another thread:
"Because it's true. The Warren Report contained errors here and there (like most 26 volume reports would), but the evidence against Oswald is truly overwhelming. The medical evidence, Zapruder film, ballistics, witnesses all point toward one man and one man only. This conspiracy crap only makes us look like kooks. You and the others may wish to go along with the conspiracy nuts because it's currently the "cool" thing to do among liberals, but somebody has to stand up for the truth even if it isn't popular".

You stand for the truth? You cite evidence which REFUTES the commission. You are TRULY DELUSIONAL.

As for the books mentioned, I don't believe that you read them. I believe you are lying about that.

Now, once again. How old are you?

[jsw_81]

17. I'm not going to respond to you if you keep calling me delusional

And my age isn't relevant here. I could just as easily ask you what drugs you're on or what mental hospital you currently reside in, but that would be irrelevant to this debate. And no, I'm not lying about reading those books.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. There is an excellent series by Harold Weisberg that is very good...

Whitewash
The Report on the Warren Report
1965

Whitewash II
The FBI-Secret Service Coverup
1966

Oswald in New Orleans
Case for Conspiracy with the CIA
1967

Photographic Whitewash
Suppressed JFK Assassination Pictures
1967

Post Mortem
JFK Asaasination Coverup Smashed
1969

Whitewash IV
JFK Assassination Transcript
1974

Case Open
The Omissions, Distortions, and Falsifications of Case Closed
1994

Never Again
The Government Conspiracy in the JFK Assassination
1995

[KFC]

3. Number 5

5. All information on internet weblogs and message boards is not true?

[9215]

5. I can think of one answer on this message board that's not

true. ;)

[9215]

4. #3 is one

of the oddities I would like to look at closer, but have been unable to find much on it. The link you provide doesn't explain much. This is something that could be analyzed and verified for accuracy.

[KFC]

6. You mean ufo.net did not provide solid information?

You might try dumbass.net. I think you will find some very valuable information there.

[9215]

9. now two more spoken as true that

were probably not. ;) ;)

You may be onto something. :bounce:


Is KFC where you eat or where you work?

[SiobhanClancy]

11. Why so angry?

You may not agree with people who don't accept the official line on JFK,but there's no need to be insulting.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Hmmm. Is that your...

...personal website?

[aeon flux]

10. I'm still waiting for the lone-nutters

to give us their crackpot theories as to why the Zapruder film shows Jackie climbing all the way onto the rear deck of the vehicle to retrieve a big piece of her husband's head if the shot came from behind.

This should be real good. I'm in the mood for a good laugh.

[Andyjunction]

15. simple

There was a piece of his head on the trunk. It was all over the place but you can clearly see the vast majority of it going upward and forward.

I know what Jackie said but I think it's much more likely she just freaked out and was trying to get away. Her husband's head had just exploded in her face after all. That could possibly cause one to panic, don't you think?

[jsw_81]

16. The gruesome answer

When the bullet tore the exit wound in Kennedy's head an enormous amount of blood/brain/scalp was blown out, and most if it went forward. But a few pieces did, however, slide onto the trunk when he slumped over (the fact that the driver slammed on the gas might have also caused some of the gore to slide backward). One of those pieces was actually recovered from the street and identified as a piece of the front of Kennedy's skull. This is totally consistant with a shot from the rear, not the front.

I'm still waiting for a conspiracy believer to explain why Kennedy's head moved forward two inches after being struck by the fatal shot. How can this be if it came from the front? And why did a large piece of his scalp (which is clearly visible on the Zapruder film) fly forward into the air if he was hit from the front?

[Padraig18]

18. Oh, FFS!

How many effing JFK threads are we gonna be treated to tday? 5? 10? 20? E-f***ing-NUFF, already!

:wtf:

[SiobhanClancy]

19. oh....

and myself just sitting here thinking about starting another one;)

[Padraig18]

21. LOL!

Have you had your arse smacked yet today, lass? :P

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. Please do...I enjoy reading Padraig's little rants.

[aeon flux]

24. Don't tell me

you know better than some 40 doctors and nurses in the emergency trauma unit of Parkland and Bethesda hospital, who all said Kennedy had received at least one entrance wound in the front of his body (his head and throat). To this day they remain adamant of what they saw that day.



You can sit in front of your computer and dream up your theories about the lone gunman 'til your face turns blue, but these are expert medical witnesses that have much experience with gunshot wounds. unlike you, these people are no armchair theorists, they were actually there.

[jsw_81]

26. Go here

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm