The Assasination of JFK

[InformedSource]

I didn't watch ABC News's CGI reconstruction of the assasination that proves conclusively that the fatal shots were fired from the Texas Book Depository, thus supposedly validating the "Oswald acted alone" theory. CBS News did the same thing a few years back.

Well, the mainstream media are heavily invested in proving that they did not miss the conspiracy story. Out the conspirators now and all the networks would have to say, "Well, we blew it," and you know they aren't going to do that. So they will keep proving Oswald solely guilty over and over, despite all evidence to the contrary.

But prove to me conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was up there in the Texas Book Depository and fired all the fatal shots, and that still does not rule out a conspiracy. Who put him up to it? I have always subscribed to the "aimed nut" theory of that crime.

There's a film clip that is never shown during these JFK Assasination retrospectives, taken when Oswald was in custody in Texas, where he says: "I'm just a patsy." Funny how that clip never appears.

Another film clip which I have seen is Jack Ruby in jail saying he would gladly tell the whole story if someone would just get him out of Texas. No one ever did get him out of Texas and his mysterious instantly fatal cancer appeared strikingly soon.

Nevertheless, the whole issue is a well beaten dead horse. Unless it could be proven that the people who killed JFK are the same gang who are right now starting wars and shredding our civil liberties, outing the conspirators won't help us with the circumstances we find ourselves in at this time.

I also do not believe that JFK was planning to pull the U.S. out of Vietnam, which has been cited as one motive for his being killed. I think he was cold warrior through and through and would most probably have done just what LBJ did, but with a lot more wit, style and grace.

[Devoir]

1. Please stop.

There is no conspiracy. As you know, in Washington, no TWO people can keep a secret, let alone every one of the dozens of a network that would be required to conspire to kill a president. Read the book 'Case Closed'. This explains the trajectory of the bullets fired in tremendous scientific and mathematical detail.
Lord God, I thought the conspiracy nuts had been pretty well disgraced by now. Apparently not.

[jsw_81]

3. Conspiracies

The government can't even pave the darn highways properly yet we're to believe in a massive conspiracy that involved every branch of the federal government as well as various state and local authorities? Gimme a break!

[peacetalksforall]

5. Posner is a patsy propagandist - the only thing he is, is clever. I

wouldn't even believe his own dust jacket biography - even if it was one sentence. Despicable propagandist. He will write anything if paid the right amount or for his own agenda.

[jsw_81]

6. Tell me

Was Posner in on the conspiracy? Was he on the grassy knoll?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. I thought that since 70% of Americans believe that there WAS a...

...conspiracy that all of the Lone-Nuts would have been disgraced long before now.

"Case Closed" by Posner? What a piece of crap. Not even good enough to use in the outhouse.

Here's one man's response to Posner:

POSNER in New Orleans
GERRY IN WONDERLAND
by James A. DiEugenio
<http://www.assassinationweb.com/de.htm>

Excerpts:

"Before getting to the main focus of this essay, one needs to comment on some general matters regarding Mr. Posner and his book. Reportedly, like John McCloy and Allen Dulles, Mr. Posner is a Wall Street lawyer. Based on three interviews with sources who read his previous book on Mengele, Posner whitewashed that notorious Nazi's ties to the Hitler regime before his McCloy-aided escape to South America after World War II. This may help explain Posner's quite questionable use of sources."

This article is very, very thorough and completely debunks Posner. It also provides some additional material not usually seen in print.

[jsw_81]

12. Again, polls are irrelevant

Polls/surveys once revealed that most people believed in a flat earth. Other polls revealed that the vast majority though disease was spread by evil spirits and not germs. But they were later proven to be wrong.

[RedSock]

17. posner

there are a LOT of links to various aspects of Posner and his book at that site. thanks for posting it.

http://www.assassinationweb.com/issue1.htm

[peacetalksforall]

2. It's worth it to keep up - we know tons more than we did 40 years ago

We have the lawyer who wrote the book laying out how LBJ killed JFK - photos, letters, fingerprints, inside knowledge - all subject to refutation by some, I'm sure, but compelling.

What I had not kept up with is the story by the lover - the (supposedly) cancer-maker Castro hater who fell in with participants in the plots and fell in love with Oswald and was with him to close to the end.

There are more surgeons speaking out.

There is a digital expert who has layered through the photographs.

Some day, the Kennedy side of the story will come out. And someone on the killing side will finally find their conscience.

[Padraig18]

4. WHY a new thread on this?

Weren't the umpteen already active in GD enough? :wtf:

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[DiverDave]

9. O.K., Just 1 Question, then.

Why are the records sealed for so long?
What is there to hide?
Too much coincidence to think that oswald was alone.
What about all the people that pointed to the grassy knoll?
What about the sound evidence a few years ago PROVING another shooter?
My grandad told me when the reports where sealed "take care of yourself, you want to live to see this"
If you believe the warren report, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[jsw_81]

11. Some answers

Why are the records sealed for so long?

Governments (especially ours) have a habit of sealing records for a long time for no good purpose at all. Are you aware that census records from 1960 are STILL under lock and key? Does that prove a conspiracy? No.

Too much coincidence to think that oswald was alone.

Please, review the evidence with an open mind. It ALL points to Oswald. The man even tried to shoot a police office when he was arrested (minutes after he killed Officer Tippit).

What about all the people that pointed to the grassy knoll?

Virtually everyone in Dealey Plaza said that the shots came from the rear, and most of those people said they came from the TSBD. A few people even saw a man in the TSBD window who looked exactly like Lee Oswald fire all three shots.

What about the sound evidence a few years ago PROVING another shooter?

That "evidence" was found to be totally wrong. The recording wasn't even made until several minutes AFTER the shooting.

My grandad told me when the reports where sealed "take care of yourself, you want to live to see this

Yeah, so what? My grandad told me that the conspiracy theories were nonsense (this was back when I supported the various JFK conspiracy theories). He even got angry with me when I tried to make him watch Stone's JFK. But I don't see how any of that is relevant.

If you believe the warren report, I've got a bridge to sell you.

And if you believe any of the 5,000+ conspiracy theories I have a bridge to sell you. Oswald did it. Case closed.

[atldem]

13. To add on

Why wasn't the brain sectioned and a trajectory path noted? Where is the brain, for that matter?
Were all 16 of the Parkland Hospital doctors lying or mistaken when they said that the back of his head was blown off?
How did that bullet go through all of that tissue and bone and fall out of the same hole it went in and receive hardly a scratch?

[jsw_81]

15. You will find your answers

Here.

[aeon flux]

10. Conspirators

don't come forward unless they are caught, if ever. Even then, they're going to deny it. I think it is naive to think that corruption doesn't take place in all branches and at many levels of government and business. And corruption usually requires some degree of conspiracy.

Sometimes the high-level conspirators are caught (ie: the Enron execs who conspired to defraud the taxpayers and their own employees, the Nixon WH that conspired to destroy evidence of wrongdoing, the Iran-Contra scandal, the Bush WH conspiring to forge evidence of WMD's, etc.), but other times they are never caught.

[jsw_81]

14. No doubt about it

There have been all kinds of conspiracies throughout history, but in this case there's just no evidence for it. And the evidence that does exist points squarely at Lee Oswald. Even his brother can see that.

[shance]

16. Say a lie long enough and it becomes.....

True?

[aeon flux]

18. If any of the conspirators were to come forward

it would open them to criminal charges. You don't want to ever admit to conspiring to murder the President of the United States. Unless you're eager to get the electric chair.

That is, if you can even get the authorities to believe you. Or even interested in re-opening the case.

[jsw_81]

19. No, I don't believe that at all

The conspiracy believers, however, seem to think that their lies can be made "true" by churning out a seemingly endless parade of books, magazines and movies about vast "conspiracies" that exist only in their imaginations.

So far they've claimed that Kennedy was killed by:

- LBJ

- The CIA

- The FBI

- The U.S. Army

- The KGB

- Castro

- Anti-Castro Cubans

- Richard Nixon

- George Bush

- The Secret Service

- French "assassins"

- The left-wing

- The right-wing

- The Dallas Police Department

- Oil/gas barons

- Michael Jackson (just kidding)

And there isn't a single shred of evidence to support ANY of these theories. None at all! But according to the polls, most people believe in one (or more) of these theories, mostly because of Oliver Stone's silly 1991 movie "JFK," a movie that included over 100 blatent lies about the assassination. But unfortunately the damage has been done, and most people have swallowed the Big Lie(s) hook, line and sinker. Oh well. :(

[peacetalksforall]

20. Oh my, my, my...the innocense and defense you put up

is worth

... one smile. (for jsw_81)

[kskiska]

21. The whole conspiracy business was started

by Marguerite Oswald, Lee's nutball mother. Immediately after the assassination, she hired Mark Lane to write a book (Rush to Judgment) claiming her son was framed. She loved the spotlight and appeared on every TV show that would have her, defending her son till the day she died. Robert Oswald was a pretty straight guy, considering his childhood, and has no doubt his brother did the crime.

[aeon flux]

22. Do you ever have a serious response?

No one believes everyone on that list was involved. One or more elements are involved, but not every single one.

Historically, high-level conspiracies like the ones I mentioned (ie: Enron scandal, etc.) typically involve several players, not just anyone one.

[jsw_81]

23. Time to lay Kennedy conspiracy theories to rest

CNN reporter Kelly Wallace stands in Dallas' Dealey Plaza and points to the Texas School Book Depository window where, she says, Lee Harvey Oswald is "thought'' to have shot President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963 -- 40 years ago Saturday. Then she and the anchor chat about the various conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination and conclude that the truth will probably never be known.

That's nonsense. And worse, it's popular nonsense. The truth is known. Oswald, acting alone, murdered JFK. We know this with as much certainty as we know anything in history. And just as we don't speak of the "alleged Civil War'' or the "supposed sinking of the Titanic,'' so to give credence to the lingering and numerous wild theories about the assassination of JFK is an unwise pandering to folklore and uncritical thinking.

Rather than continue to ask if there is any validity to these imaginings, we should wonder why they are so popular in the first place.

Several answers come to mind. People equate skepticism with independence. If the government says the sky is blue, a certain slice of the population would begin to doubt it. People also seek meaning in their lives. The idea of random tragedy, of a lone lunatic being able to destroy a man such as John F. Kennedy, is difficult to accept. They would rather cling to enticing accidents of history -- did you know that Richard M. Nixon was in Dallas the day before the assassination? -- than face a world where bad things happen for no reason at all.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/commentary/cst-edt-edits23.html

[peacetalksforall]

24. Well, keep on going...only about 30% in this country will believe you...

personally, I think you're depraved.