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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:18 PM
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Kerry is impressing me right now in the Senate.
Good for him.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:21 PM
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1. He's doing a very nice job.
I really wish he hadn't used his new campaign slogan ("A Real Deal")in his speech, but it really is a good speech.
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:25 PM
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3. Talk about nitpicking.... (nt)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:14 PM
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8. Wish I could Get CSPAN!!
IF anyone feels up to posting some of the speech contents, I'd be most appreciative.

Thanks for the info!

So, the vote is still tomorrow?

Kanary
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:48 PM
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14. but you can..
get the video feed on the Web...
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:25 PM
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19. Thanks, but...
when I click on it, I can't get through. Says "wrong address" or something like that.

Also, the latest date is Nov 21.

Technology... bah humbug.

Kanary
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:23 PM
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2. great job
He just said the Bush* Administrations slogan should be "Leave No Special Interest Behind" !
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:29 PM
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4. Yep. He's doing a
great job. It's good to see him on the Senate floor again. I believe Senator Edwards is also coming up this afternoon (at least that's what I heard Harry Reid say).
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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:31 PM
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5. agreed
yes he's doing an excellent job! just compared it to "clear skies" and "healthy forests."
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:35 PM
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6. Although I am committed to Clark, Kerry was my first choice before
the General got into the race. I would be happy to see either one of them take the dem nomination. They are both men of integrity. "Speaker Newt Gingrich and his ideological allies..." Great line.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:43 PM
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13. We have a damn good slate to choose from.
That's why I can't understand savaging them.

Kerry's war vote does hurt him with me. But I would have no problem pulling the lever for him in the general election.

Same with Clark although a military man would be my last choice in the primary.



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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:12 PM
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7. Is it his vote on war that is hurting him?
I I, for the life of me, do not understand why he is not the top man in race.He could easily be one I could vote for.I am still watching them all but I do not understand why this mans is so low in pools.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:18 PM
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9. I think so unfortunely
Even with that though, I have him at number 2. However Gephardt and Lieberman remain high in the polls as well, and they were more hawkish about the war, at least Lieberman. I dont get it either, I think he would make a great president. In fact honestly, if he had vote against IWR and DK wasnt in the race, he would be my pick in a heartbeat.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:20 PM
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10. Here's my answer why the media keeps Kerry down.
What would Bush do to keep these men silenced?

John Kerry assembled a team to confront Bush on the issues Rove wants to take to the American people in 2004. National security and the fear of terrorism. No doubt, the last thing Rove needs are experts in those areas speaking out during the general election against Bush and for the Democratic opponent.

Gary Hart, knows more about national security and antiterrorism measures than any national figure. He is the author of the Hart-Rudman report which was delivered to Bush in Jan. 2001 after a 2 1/2 year study commissioned by Clinton. The report wasn't dealt with at all prior to 9-11.

Rand Beers, former National Security Official, knows the inner workings of the Bush team's post 9-11 efforts, of which he observed mostly inertia and incompetence.

Max Cleland, 9-11 commission, knows the Bush team is trying to pull a fast one on the American people by covering up crucial information of dealings that led to 9-11. Has been speaking out to groups across the country, and swinging the AWOLSTICK as a bonus.

Gen. William Perry, Clinton's expert on nuclear arms proliferation and N. Korea, knows Bush's failures on the serious Korea issue and his incompetence in dealing with its threat.

Joe Wilson, the man who knows TOO much. Exposed Cheney's office as the source for cooked intelligence reports on Iraq. Also alerted public to treasonous acts by White House in exposing his wife, an undercover CIA agent. Many in intel community aligning with Wilson and his wife against the WH.

The media is loathe to give these men the airtime at this point because they are too damaging to Bush on his perceived strengths. They can afford to ignore them and the substance of their case against Bush because they are selling the American people the "process" of the primary horserace as entertainment. If Kerry were the nominee, the media would have no choice but to feature his spokespeople on the various issues.

Kerry assembled a team to TAKE BUSH DOWN, while some others assembled a team to take Kerry down. Democrats need to take this into consideration. BushInc. NEEDS these men and their message muted.  
 
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:35 PM
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11. Media dis-information
Karl Rove does not want a Kerry nomination...can you envision a shrub-Kerry debate...it would be a comedy show. So many pundits do Rove's bidding that I believe it hurts. Many Dems are attracted to Dean, IMHO, because he was free to blast bush unmercifully. Kerry, being a senator, had to be, again IMHO, slightly more restrained. If Clark were a dedicated Dem like Kerry has been then I would give Clark more weight...but for our family it's Kerry.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:20 PM
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16. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

And I agree with your statements. This is a Kerry family, too.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 07:26 AM
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21. Hi cheryl27!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:38 PM
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12. If Kerry loses the nomination
I think it'd be one of the biggest lost opportunities in recent American politics, even if Dean or Clark or Edwards goes on to win and becomes a great president. A guy like Kerry only comes around so often.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:19 PM
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15. His war vote, his refusal for taking accountability for that vote
His changing justifications explaining his vote. His backing down from his promise to oppose the war if it wasn't a last resort. His political positioning trying to have it both ways (if war goes great, he's for it and it was the right thing to do, if the war goes bad, he's against it and it's all Bush's fault). His vietnam grandstanding. His lame attacks on Dean.

That's what I think is hurting him.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:22 PM
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17. Grandstanding?
Ok sure...whatever you say.

:eyes:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:24 PM
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18. y'mean like...
I am the only candidate who talks about race to white audiences?
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:49 PM
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20. Yes, Kerry should be commended on this. Now the question is...
why wasn't he so forceful on the IWR vote?


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 07:33 AM
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23. What is your opinion on WMD?
Just in general, not specific to Iraq. Russia and soviet satellite countries, Iran, N Korea. The different terrorist groups that have been picked up in Europe with ricin. All of that stuff. What's your opinion?

Yes Israel has nukes, but so does Pakistan and India. Do these countries need to be treated the exact same as N Korea and Iran? Or France even, they have nukes I believe. If you were planning on diverting the subject of terrorists and WMD to Israel.

I haven't seen a good discussion in DU about weapons proliferation.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 10:17 AM
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25. Don't bother - It'll be like finding a needle in a haystack!
Your preaching to a crowd who shouts IWR, IWR, IWR! Followed by 'You have the Power'... That's the future of the Democratic party?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 07:27 AM
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22. And that is where he should
stay.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-03 09:28 AM
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24. Yes, because hot rhetoric is so much more appealing than statesmanship
presented in a thoughtful, intelligent package.
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