DNC Debate on MSNBC -- 4pm et -- thread #1

[Khephra]

Pregame is already going on MSNBC with a "special" Hardball. Noonan, Feinstein, Jackson, and some other person...I think.

[madfloridian]

1. We are not watching any more debates.

They are disturbing to watch. Our candidates are not given anytime to present their issues without being hammered by each other and the hosts.

I think Brokaw is lying in wait for them, and they are salivating over who will get bashed the most.

Politics as usual, right. I just don't have to watch it.

[Cocoa]

5. long article in US News about Brokaw's plans

seems he intends to get in the candidates' faces, and ignore Braun and Kucinich as much as possible.

I find Brokaw to be a silly, overrated guy.

[Renew Deal]

18. A picture

[BrewCrew]

17. Debate Winner will Be

Going to make a prediction here. Dean and Gephardt will bicker back and forth like two bad-tempered Prom Queens at a Homecoming Dance, thus making the winner of the debate somebody who's participating via satelite. Maybe Edwards. He's usually above the fray!

[Gloria]

26. Thanks,,,,I don't have MSNBC .......

I want to know when Clark calls Bush on the troop coffins.....

[annxburns]

2. God not Noonan ...

what kind of drugs is she taking today. Blecch!

[dave29]

9. I don't think I've seen many

people more impressed with themselves than Peggy Nooner

[Renew Deal]

3. I'm a cube dweller today.

Fill in the juicy details. I will see it tonight at 9.

[Renew Deal]

4. There is also a post-game with that crowd.

[MoonAndSun]

6. Tweety and Peggy Nooner...

:puke:

[Renew Deal]

10. Some radio guy said Mathews was left wing.

I heard this the other day from some puke radio guy. Mark something. :puke:

[Clark Can WIN]

7. Gee, there's Bush

inturrupting the pre-game coverage

Coincidence? Lord, what a scum bucket smirky smirk is.

[Renew Deal]

8. What happened?

[Clark Can WIN]

11. He's at Fort Carson CO

In a fucking US Army coat strutting for the troops. It's pretty sickening.

[Clark Can WIN]

12. What is with the double postititis?

How does that happen?

[Khephra]

13. Bush is holding a pep rally with soldiers

But they're blissfully cutting off the sound and letting the pundits speak.

Ugh, back to letting Bush speak.

[annxburns]

14. Here is the ugly article about Brokaw trying to "make" news ..

...
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/031201/usnews/1debate.htm

[UTUSN]

80. Effing Tweety: "(Shrub) Is LOOKING GOOD AS ALWAYS---"

"This time wearing an EISENHOWER jacket!" Oh, Kathleeeeeen (MATTHEWS), your husband has something to tell you!

Other sins Tweety committed in less than half an hour: Played the Shrub Iowa commercial that smears Dems. Cackled when GILLEPSIE named KUCINICH in an answer-----sneering, "Name one CONTENDER (not a nobody)!"

Just being Tweety is a crime. Luckily, nobody watches him and his wingnut "friends" don't TRUST him. "For the FIFTY people who watch this show..." (-------Darrell HAMMOND).

[MrSoundAndVision]

15. HELP -- Where can I catch the debate online?

Help me out DUers

[Khephra]

33. I don't think it is online

There's a repeat latter, if that helps.

[AP]

74. Debate is online at CSPAN radio.

[robsul82]

16. Ewwww...

...Bush is basically calling out regiments and letting them cheer for themselves. Good Jeebus.

Later.

RJS

[PDittie]

19. F****g Bush trying to pre-empt the debate

Now Noonan gushing...

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[Egnever]

21. Starting now!

msnbc!

[Khephra]

22. Oooooo

Two hours! Aren't they usually an hour and a half?

[Renew Deal]

23. and 8 candidates.

Let's do this. This is the first 8 person debate since pre-Clark when Al didn't show up.

[robsul82]

24. WHY AREN'T WE LETTING LIEBERMANIA RUN WILD?!?

DAMN!

Later.

RJS

[Clark Can WIN]

25. I like the plasma monitors for Kerry and Edwards

has a whole Max Headroom vibe to it. Very funky.

[robsul82]

28. Isn't good for Kerry...

...his head looks even bigger than normal. Creeeeepy. ;)

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

27. What a fair question, Tom

Kerry gets a AARP question, and Tom used Feinstein/Dorgan against him, saying basically, "Do you think they'd vote for a trojan horse? (as Hillary called it)

Yep, I think Tom is going to be an ass in this one.

[Egnever]

29. Shut up ghep you didnt even bother to vote on this

:puke:

[robsul82]

30. Such a Clinton thumb stealer...

...THIEF! lol

Later.

RJS

[BrewCrew]

31. yeah

He did and voted against...check the record on Friday night's vote

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=669

Check the facts before you talk. I know the guy has missed a lot of votes, but not this one!

[Egnever]

34. hmmm you are right....I swear i saw a count on this

with four people not voting and he was one of them. My mistake.

Sory ghep

[Khephra]

32. Are any of these candidates for the medicare bill?

Tom seems to be spending a lot of energy in trying to push for interesting comments on one of the few issues that each and every one of them agree on.

[Khephra]

37. I think they all hit on this issue just right, in their own ways

It's nice to see them all agree on something for once.

Sharpton gets the first laughs of the evening.

Now Tom is going for the Dean/Gephardt debate.

[robsul82]

38. Tom DID get a nice jab on Gephardt there...

When Gephardt starts with "Howard's a good friend..." Tom interjects with, "A friend with no compassion?"

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

35. Brokaw steps all over Clark's answer on the Medicare bill...

...you're a STAR, Tom!

Later.

RJS

[DemCam]

36. again the horses do their job

[xultar]

39. So I suppose you'll cheer if he does it to Dean or will you whine

like a baby :cry:

[robsul82]

49. Um...

...I wasn't cheering. "You're a STAR, Tom!" was sarcastic. Get a sense of humor.

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

40. Dean brings up that he worked for Gephardt

and refuses to attack Gephardt, instead he took on the issues of difference.

Tom asks Gephardt about this. Tom makes a joke about some name that Gep called Dean. So far Gephardt/Dean are sticking to the issues/stats without being nasty like Tom is pushing them to do.

[robsul82]

41. Brokaw tells Gep and Dean that we're moving on...

...and Kerry uses HIS time to talk about Dean! HAHAHAHAHA!

Later.

RJS

[PDittie]

42. Dean being piled on by

Kerry and Gephardt on the Medicare/balanced budget thing

[robsul82]

Holy GEEZ...

I think Kerry has a psychological disorder.

Later.

RJS

[kentuck]

46. That was predicted...

It's getting serious...

[Khephra]

65. Dean's famous "temper" was in check

He was ready for it this time. The most he did was make a joke about wishing that part of the debate would end soon.

[Cush]

43. yawn

its the Gep, Dean & Kerry and show....can we move on please?

[unfrigginreal]

44. What is Kerry doing?

That had to be the dumbest thing I've seen him do to date. He has a great chance to pick up voters that get turned off by the Dean/Gep war and he's not bright enough to keep his mouth shut.

[killbotfactory]

70. Is Kerry trying to make Dean "angry" or something?

Or is this just part of the new re-re-relaunch of his campaign.

[Snellius]

45. Kerry's getting weird

He looks embalmed.

[Zynx]

53. He's always looked that way.

;)

[Khephra]

47. Kerry is becoming a pundit

Dean is trying to answer him, but Kerry keeps on interupting him.

[johnfunk]

75. "Kerry is becoming a pundit"

He sure as hell would be an improvement over Tim Russert!

[DemCam]

48. Tom right up there with Woodruff...

[xultar]

52. EDWARDS just scored some points n/t

[AP]

59. I missed it. What did he say?

?

[caledesi]

61. Edwards is a classy guy! n/t

[AP]

63. Please. "t" not "n/t" -- what did I miss?

?

[robsul82]

67. Classy guy? Psssh. Just smarter than Kerry.

Edwards eagerly jumped on the dogpile about the Confederate flag issue, and his behavior at this debate following NOT HOWARD DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yelling at Dean shows that he, unlike Kerry, has learned his lesson about screaming at Dean.

Later.

RJS

[Egnever]

50. Sharpton on point again

:yourock:

[caledesi]

62. Sharpton stays true to his name - he's sharp! nt

[Khephra]

51. On to gay marriage now

.

[AP]

56. CMB says it's just like interracial marriages.

you want to keep families stable so that are country can survive.

People will rise above this, no skin of my back, in terms of the law, and it won't be a wedge issue.

CU fall short....need more.

[AP]

68. Sharpton on GM: it's a human rights issue

You can't limit the humanity of others unless you're willing to say they're less than you.

Remember, slaves of the same race couldn't marry in the US. I don't have the right to impose my view on others.

[AP]

69. Edwards: I have a perfect (or near perfect) voting record with HRC

(the Human Rights Commission is leadign gay rights organization).

I believe in treating people with the same level of equality, dignity and respect, and we should guarantee this. This should not become a wedge issue.

I have during the course of my campaign have talked about the rights of all Americans on all fronts.

Bigger issue: bring Americans together.

(He is refusing to let Brokaw make an issue of this.)

[Egnever]

54. Has wesley spoken yet?

I have yet to see him called on

[karlschneider]

58. Yep just now. agreed with Carol on the Mass. ruling. "Equal rights for

everyone."
;-)

[Khephra]

60. Yeah, he got the medicare question

all of them did. And now he just got the gay marriages question.

[xultar]

55. Braun, YEAH U GO Guhrrrlllll!! n/t

[caledesi]

64. Carol MB has the most beautiful voice. I love to hear her talk. nt

[robsul82]

57. "In our worst night's sleep..."

And Sharpton just nailed another one out of the park, as Brokaw waved his arm at the audience to try to silence them. Niiiiiiiiice, Tom.

Later.

RJS

[johnfunk]

66. Solid debate -- and about the "Special" Hardball

... the only thing missing from the cast of loons was "Special Ed" from Comedy Central's "Crank Yankers". Chris Matthews has to be the worst, most shallow, most overrated DC pundit in the history of television.

It's also refreshing to not see or hear the droning of Joe "Insurance City Butt-boy" Lieberman. Finally -- a Republican-free Democratic debate (Tom Brokaw notwithstanding)!

[FrenchieCat]

71. He was on CNN instead crying to Judy....

Clark's campaign said that since I turned it down at first, I shouldn't be on. Lieberman said that 2 candidates recommended that he should participate...but only named Clark......

GOOD!

[PDittie]

72. Clark just gave the best answer

to the evangelical divide

[robsul82]

73. Clark scores with religion question...

Brokaw makes an issue of the religious going for Bush 63% in 2000, but Clark answers eloquently. And we take a shot of other competitors...and there's CMB smiling. Always! lol

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

76. Brokaw asks Kucinich about Zell!

Let's see how DK answers...

Later.

RJS

[matcom]

77. Kerry is such a PUTZ!

read: i am NOT sorry that i campaigned for his Senate reelection

BUT

he TOTALLY just dodged the gay marriage issue and starting talking about MEDICARE!

by by Kerry. stay in the Senate where you can waffle all you want

[AP]

81. Kerry is right to try to get the debate of the "Burn" questions, and onto

topics which Americans need to hear about.

I think it would be cool if the eight of them simply ignored the moderators and discussed among themselves the issues they agreed were important.

[AP]

78. Jeez. Gay Marriage. Religion. Zell Miller. What the hell is this?

It's like Kelso is moderating this debate. "Burn!"

[Khephra]

79. Continue here please! This one is getting to large for some to load

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768989

[proud patriot]

82. Please continue discussion here

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768989