DNC Debate on MSNBC -- 4pm et -- thread #3

[Khephra]

Continue here please!

[DemCam]

1. Here we go round the question boys, question girls,

and around again....finally wrestled that one to the ground, John.,

[Khephra]

2. Dean does great on the draft issue

And give Kucinich his dues for not voting for the IWR.

[robsul82]

3. Dean should really just tell Brokaw...

"Are you calling me a draft dodger, Tom? If you are, then say it to my face."

And Dean gives DK plaudits for voting no on IWR, to applause from the audience!

Later.

RJS

[PDittie]

4. Dean's answering the draft question

...not too well, I might add.

And is now taking a shot at Kerry for supporting the admin's war.

Gep: "Howard, you're all over the lot on this issue..."

It's getting ugly.

[robsul82]

8. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there...

...I think that was a fine answer, just laying out the facts.

But yeah, we're getting ugly.

And Clark is getting HOT!

Later.

RJS

[proud patriot]

5. Threads 1 and 2 links Here

1
http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768472
2
http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768989

[Khephra]

6. Great tag-team work!

:loveya:

[proud patriot]

13. High Five

:loveya:

[PDittie]

7. Clark brings the focus back to *

raising his voice and raising hell.

[karlschneider]

14. Woo! Wes is on a tear!

:D

[Bluzmann57]

9. It seems that if a candidate didn't serve in Viet Nam

or at least in the military, then he is getting hammered. While it may be helpful to have military experience, it isn't essential. But Brokaw seems to think it may be, especially to Dean. It is probably a plus if a candidate has some REAL military experience(not some awol bullshit), but I think a man can be a good president without it.

[Cush]

10. Here comes the SOS

Same Ol Sh*t about Clarks comments....

I think he's getting sick of it.....

[robsul82]

11. And Brokaw snips like a schoolmarm...

"Why'd you not answer the IWR question at first?" And Clark is firing back!

Later.

RJS

[xultar]

12. YEA!!! CLARK!!! YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!

YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!YEA!!! CLARK!!!

[Langis]

16. Go CLARK!

I love that man, he can beat Bush!

[Khephra]

Clark is kicking ass on that question

Go Clark! Kick it back to Tom!

[robsul82]

19. HOLY SHIAT!

Someone get that man some water, because that there man's on FIRE!

Later.

RJS

[Avalux]

22. GO CLARK!!!

A president who visits families of dead british soldiers but won't do it here!!!!

He did good. :bounce:

[proud patriot]

25. Wow

:thumbsup:Clark

I really liked that Dean praised Kucinich too

[maddezmom]

30. bringing it back to the real issue

Bush* misleading the public

[La_Serpiente]

15. Great Job Clark

mentioned the soldiers that Bush refused to acknowledge.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Big applause for Clark

on his Iraq answer. Excellent reply! Go General!!! WooHOO!

[poskonig]

18. Clark is smoking! Damn!

Great comment about Bush visiting British families with dead soldiers but not American.

[quinnox]

20. Clark just hit it out of the park!

Clark very strong on the Iraq situation.

[DemCam]

21. Wes just broke out of the pack on Iraq

[FrenchieCat]

23. General Smackdown

Done did another SMACKDOWN....Again!

[AP]

24. After talking to Kerry about Dean, to Dean about Dean, Brokaw turns to Gep

And Gep talks about Dean. Talks about Dean's ads. Why are you all over the lot on these issues? I'm not all over the issues.

kerry wants to jump in now, but Brokaw punishes him for not talking about Dean when Brokaw wanted him to talk about Dean.

So he lets Clark talk about Bush.

Clark says "don't make IWR vote a litmus post" -- hey, did he read my DU Poll yesterday?

Clark says somethhing like, if Iraq War wore a movie script, it would be flop.

Audience claps. Brokaw then tries to deflate him. Brokaw talks over Clark. "It was a big mistake" (re first day of campaigning, support for Bush??).

Clark criticizes Bush for not visiting American families. Applause.

Over to Kucinich...

[Khephra]

28. Kucinich brings out pictures of our fallen soldiers

And comes close to matching Clark's rage.

Now Sharpton is turning up the fire too. It looks like the real fireworks are just now starting.

[AP]

39. Brokaw will turn the hose on any fires that start.

He's keeping the hurt turned down.

[Nashyra]

29. Clark was on fire

He hit Brokaw between the eyes. Why don't these whores ask * and his administration the same questions, nooooooooooooooooooo there cushy jobs would be in jepordy

[Bluzmann57]

26. Starting to respect General Clark more and more

This guy takes no crap from anyone. Let the bushistas try and impugn his military record. If they do, there's gonna be trouble. And now Mr. Kucinich is making an impassioned plea to get our troops out of Iraq. Good stuff.

[caledesi]

42. Clark is looking really good! nt

[DancingBear]

27. What an answer by Clark!

This man IS the next President Of The United States

[FrenchieCat]

31. We are talking....

some true buttkicking....NEXT....

[dawgman]

32. Sharpton Rules.

[Lefta Dissenter]

33. so far the two greatest uniters of the Dem party

Clark and Al

And only one of them is electable (as much as I love Al)

:yourock: :yourock:

on edit: I'll add Carol to my list of uniters :yourock:

[cindyw]

34. WHOOOHEWWWWW Clark!

:yourock:

I still think Kerry Rocks but I'm willing to give credit where credit is due.

[Renew Deal]

35. Clark sounds like a southerner on the radio.

[karlschneider]

75. Probably 'cause he is one. :-)

:D

[AP]

36. Edwards:handover of power to Iraq/keep soldiers a step in right direction?

Admitting failure is step in right direction.

My plan: handover to UN, change composition of security force (NATO led), CANCEL HALLIBURTON NO-BID CONTRACTS -- MILLIONS IN TAXPAYER MONEY, THEY CAN'T BID ANY LONGER, BUT THEIR PREVIOUS CONTRACTS ARE STILL OPERATIVE.

Thanks for that.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

37. Clark! Clark! Clark! Clark! Clark! Clark! Clark!

....Clark! Clark! Clark!


:kick:

[Renew Deal]

38. More fire from Clark

WOW :wow:

[Nashyra]

45. Clark is on fire

Bill Press the snotty little fake Democrat said that Clark "had to do something to get noticed because he was losing momentum", I wonder if this is enough for Press.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Tom Brokaw....

Bush's ad....hoho...asking that of Wes!

GO WES...GO WES....GO WES....GO WES...

Tom is going to start being scared of Wes real soon!

Show that media whore, Wes!

[AP]

50. I think Toms most afraid of Brother Ralph, uh, I mean Al.

Clark is fine in this debate, but no sparks are really flying.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Clark on Bush ad...

I think the prez has politicized this war. Bait and switch! Perfect answer! The ad is an outrage! I'm not attacking Bush because he's attacking terrorists I'm attacking him because he's NOT attacking terrorists!

[poskonig]

43. Clark is dominating this debate.

He is *nailing* the answers on defense issues this evening.

[Langis]

46. yes he is

He is doing great tonight.

[Lefta Dissenter]

48. that's after the first 45 minutes

in which I never thought he'd get asked a question! He's making up for it now!

[La_Serpiente]

44. Screw Gephardt

he wants to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jereusalem. That will cause a bombshell in the region.

And now he is criticizing Bush for failing on the Israeli issue? He is not presenting a good plan to stop the settlements.

Good Job Tom for sticking the issue to him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Hahahahahahahahaha!

Gephardt! "He doesn't work well with others!" Funny!

Clark looks so much more comfortable and sure of himself in this debate.

[caledesi]

52. I am a Dean supporter, but Clark is ruling this debate.

I would love to see these two team up Dean/Clark Clark/Dean.

[FrenchieCat]

49. Wes is winning this debate thus far....

Cause he is forceful and pissed....good combination....

and not stumbling on his words!

[blm]

51. Brokaw is acting as an arm of BushInc. There is no doubt he is presenting

Bush's case for him here.

Just like Judy Woodruff.

[moz4prez]

53. lol

Dean: "Can you repeat the question?"

[La_Serpiente]

54. Great answer by CMB

there is a terrible stereotype being pushed by some Republican men that a woman cannot be the US President because she would be trigger happy and unstable. I think she is trying to break that stereotype by talking about security concerns.

[robsul82]

55. HAHAHAHAHAHA...

...the audience just LAUGHED at Kerry saying "I want to correct something Howard Dean just said!"

:D

Later.

RJS

[caledesi]

62. Kerry trying to start sh*t w/ Dean. Don't you have to vote, John? nt

[robsul82]

66. I'm still wiping tears out of my eyes...

...I just can't believe the audience just LAUGHED at a candidate like that, hahahaha. I mean, they just boo Rave Master Lieb.

Later.

RJS

[blm]

72. Sorry, but Dean's been getting away with saying "Blank check" for a year.

The press has NEVER gone after him and examined his inconsistencies on the resolution.

Maybe Gephardt and Kerry are sick of Dean getting away with claiming he was staunchly against the war and the resolution, when he really wasn't.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. For crying out loud!

The Dean/Kerry tit for tat is getting OLD! :(

[FrenchieCat]

57. The french love

America and hate George Bush!

Ecoute la, je vais pas me metre on colere.....mais, eh, alors, arreter avec les Francais...a la fin, ils ont eux raison!

[caledesi]

80. Let me take a stab at translating (been a long time)

Listen up, I don't go against myself...(can't translate this part) but, then stop with the French...at the end, they are the ones w/ reason, or reasonable ones?

Help me? I love the French language.

[maddezmom]

58. Brokaw sounds annoyed

with some of the candidates responses. I'm listening so I can't see the body language.

[DemCam]

60. Brokaw is so over,,,,,,

[DemCam]

69. Clark is way ahead of the curve...

Clearly most knowledgable...

Arabic so our Army can communicate....now there's a concept!

[FrenchieCat]

76. Yea, Tom is pissed...

cause all of his questions are blowing up in his face......is why!

[moz4prez]

77. Kerry: The French . . . are the French

Brokaw: That's very profound

oh come on, that's not so hard to follow. who's in the running here, Kerry or Brokaw. It is a porblem when the, uh, moderator is convinced he's smarter than the debaters, but jeez, i can't remember Brokaw being such a CLOD. of course i havent owned a television in six years =\

[AP]

59. Dean: Saudi Arabia -friend, enemy or what?

Dean addresses B-L and 87 bil. I didn't understand point about B-L, says the record shows he didn't support 87 bil (which I totally disagree with -- the record shows that he tried to straddle the fence).

Says SA made a deal with the devil...didn't understand the point.

Kerry wants to talk about B-L: says Dean supported it, it had a certification, it was fundamentally no different than IWR that passed. Says Clinton did things with no congressional authority, and Bush could have done the same, and (implying) passing a bill was better than letting Bush act as Clinton did.

[killbotfactory]

70. Oh, so that's why Kerry voted for IWR

He wanted to get Bush to go to the UN instead of acting unilaterally, since he already had the authority to invade.

That's funny, for a while Kerry was saying that he only voted for the IWR to give Bush the real "threat of force" to make Saddam comply with the UN.

I guess this is Kerry's IWR explanation ver 5.1

[Khephra]

61. Dean nails the difference between Bidden/Lugar

Bush would have had to come back for a second vote.

I know a lot of people like to paint Dean supporters as being totally anti-war. Not all of us are.

Now Kerry is trying to say Bidden/Luggar is the same as what they voted for...that it only required an authorization of the pResident.

Now that's totally wrong. I was one of the major Senate Watchers of the IWR. The second congress vote was the major reason I supported L/B.

[killbotfactory]

78. It was Kerry's preference

He wanted to vote for B/L according to his speech when he voted for the IWR, so it doesn't make sense that they were virtually the same, according to him.

[creativelcro]

63. Missed it. was watching the Senate saga (still going on)

[_Jumper_]

64. Dean sounded like Dore Gold

He toed the Likud line on Saudi Arabia completely. I agree with him on SA, but his close ties with AIPAC are worrisome. Can he be objective in the Middle East or will he reward AIPAC's aid and toe the Israeli line?

[unfrigginreal]

74. So, you toe the Likud line on Saudi Arabia?

I agree with him on SA

If not, then why accuse Dean of it, since he sees it the same way you do?

[caledesi]

84. Agree w/ Dean on SA..& we all KNOW they are in bed w/ BFEE.

[KoKo]

65. Kerry just double speaks: "The French are the French"/Bush lite!

Everytime I try to like that guy he lets me down! He has a nasty side to him like Bush....it becomes more apparant every time I see him! What the hell is wrong with him? He could have had my support!

[karlschneider]

67. Maybe it's time to amend the Constitution and let the presidency be a

committee, like a city council. I'd gladly have every one of these candidates as co-presidents! :D

[phirili]

Dean exposes his IWR support via Biden-Luger. Bush did not have to go back

to Congress for approval.

[Khephra]

82. Wrong...Kerry is wrong on that

Bush DID have to go back to Congress a second time. Kerry just misrepresented that bill totally.

[phirili]

83. Bush did not have to go back for Congressional approval on Biden-Lugar

[Khephra]

68. THREAD 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=769332

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. The UN is not willing or able

to go onto Iraq right now. We need to form international control. Get control back to the Iraqi people. Clark is so smart. He KNOWS how to fix Iraq. He KNOWS how to get our troops home! He can do it. He can talk to the international world. He can deal with the UN and THEY WILL deal with him, he's respected. Unlike someone else I know. :(

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. The UN is not willing or able

to go into Iraq right now. We need to form international control. Get control back to the Iraqi people. Clark is so smart. He KNOWS how to fix Iraq. He KNOWS how to get our troops home! He can do it. He can talk to the international world. He can deal with the UN and THEY WILL deal with him, he's respected. Unlike someone else I know. :(

[xultar]

79. OK Gang, Allow your minds to drift to the future, it is after the...

Democratic nomination. Clark Won, there is a Presidental Debate between Chimpy and Clark.

OH Jesus...Clark will come out of there with chimpys head in a bag.

That would be SWEET! OH Please PRAY for General Clark. He is the man for the job @ this time.

[phirili]

81. Surprise, Surprise Dean against $87,000,000,000. Swwwwitch