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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:07 PM
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9/11 Widow sues Bush for foreknowledge and coverup
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911 Victim Ellen Mariani Open Letter To The POTUS

Thursday, 27 November 2003, 1:36 pm

Press Release: Ellen Mariani Lawsuit
Open Letter To The President Of The United States

Mr. Bush,

This ''open letter'' is coming from my heart. I want you to know that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat and that this is not an attempt to ''bash the Government''.

You Mr. Bush should be held responsible and liable for any and all acts that were committed to aid in any "cover up" of the tragic events of September 11, 2001. As President you have a duty to protect the American people. On September 11th you did not instruct your staff to issue a nationwide emergency warning/alert to advise us of the attack on America. We had to receive the news of the attacks via the news networks.

In the months leading up to the attacks you were repeatedly advised of a possible attack on American soil. During your daily intelligence briefings you were given information that had been uncovered that the very real possibility existed that certain undesirable elements would use commercial aircraft to destroy certain "target" buildings. You never warned the American people of this possible threat. Who were you protecting?

When you took no responsibility towards protecting the general public from the possibility of attack, you were certainly not upholding the oath you spoke when you took office. In that oath you pledged to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.

On the morning of the attack, you and members of your staff were fully aware of the unfolding events yet you chose to continue on to the Emma E. Booker Elementary School to proceed with a scheduled event and "photo op". While our nation was under attack you did not appear to blink an eye or shed a tear. You continued on as if everything was "business as usual".
In the days following the attacks all air traffic was grounded and Americans, including myself, were stranded wherever they had been when the flight ban was imposed. I was stranded at Midway Airport in Chicago, unable to continue on to California for my daughter's wedding. Imagine my surprise when I later found out that during this "no fly" period a number of people were flown out of the country on a 747 with Arabic lettering on the fuselage. None of these people were interviewed or questioned by any local, State or Federal agencies. Why were they allowed to leave and who exactly was on that flight. We know for a fact that some of the people on the flight were members of (or related to) the royal family of Saudi Arabia and members of the Bin Laden family. Were these people allowed to leave because of the long-standing relationships that your family has with both families?

It is my belief that you intentionally allowed 9/11 to happen to gather public support for a "war on terrorism". These wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq, have not accomplished what you stated were your goals. Why have you not captured Osama Bin Laden? Where are Saddam's weapons of mass destruction? All that has happened is a bill that is passed before Congress for 87 billion dollars to rebuild what you ordered blown to bits. As an American who lost a loved one in the "war on terror" I do pray and support our troops who were sent to Afghanistan and Iraq by you. These troops have and will continue to die for your lies. As an American I can make this statement as it appears that associates of your family may stand to prosper from the rebuilding of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Mr. Bush the time has come for you to stop your control over us. Stop blocking the release of certain evidence and documents that were discovered by the 9/11 Investigation Commission if you have nothing to hide proving you did not fail to act and prevent the attacks of 9/11. Your reason for not releasing this material is that it is a matter of "national security". When in fact I believe that it is your personal credibility/security that you are concerned with. You do not want the public to know the full extent of your responsibility and involvement.

After 9/11 the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Act were passed. Both of these allow the government to tap your telephone, search your home, and seize whatever they feel they need to do on a whim. They can do this without a judge's review or a warrant. I feel that this is in direct conflict with our rights as stated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

We the families of 9/11 victims need to have answers to the following questions:

1. Why were 29 pages of the 9/11committee report personally censored at your request?

2. Where are the "black boxes" from Flight 11 and Flight 175?

3. Where are the "voice recorders" from Flight 11 and Flight 175?

4. Why can't we gain access to the complete air traffic control records for Flight 11 and Flight 175?

5. Where are the airport surveillance tapes that show the passengers boarding the doomed flights?

6. When will complete passenger lists for all of the flights be released?

7. Why did your brother Jeb (the Governor of Florida) go to the offices of the Hoffman Aviation School and order that flight records and files be removed? These files were then put on a C130 government cargo plane and flown out of the country. Where were they taken and who ordered it done?

It has been over two years since hundreds of our lost loved ones "remains" have still yet to be identified and their remains placed in a landfill at Fresh Kill. We want our heroes brought back and given a public and proud resting place where we all can pay our respects and honor them. These innocent people never had a chance as they were taken from us on that sad September Day.
In the court of public opinion Mr. Bush, your lies are being uncovered each day. My husband, all of the other victims and their families and our nation as a whole, has been victimized by your failed leadership prior to and after 9/11!

I will prove this in a court of law!

Ellen M. Mariani



For Immediate Release: - 11/26/03

PRESS ADVISORY: News Conference - Wednesday - 11/26/03 - 12 Noon

911 VICTIM'S WIFE, ELLEN MARIANI, FILES RICO ACT FEDERAL COURT COMPLAINT AGAINST PRESIDENT BUSH AND CABINET MEMBERS

(Lafayette Hill, PA - 11/26/03) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today
that he, attorney for Ellen Mariani, wife of Louis Neil Mariani, who died
when United Air Lines flight 175 was flown into the South Tower of the
World Trade Center on 9-11 will be holding a news conference regarding the
filing of a detailed Amended Complaint in the United States District Court
for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on 11/26/03 in the case of
Mariani vs. Bush et al that will be alleging President Bush and officials
to include but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that
they:
1. had knowledge/warnings of 911 and failed to warn or take steps to
prevent;
2. have been covering up the truth of 911; and
3. have therefore violated the laws of the United States; and
4. are being sued under the Civil RICO Act.
Berg stated: "I will be detailing the charges against Bush and others and
handing out copies of the:
1. Amended Complaint;
2. a Letter from Ellen Mariani to President Bush that sets forth her
beliefs that President Bush knowingly and willfully failed to act and
prevent the murder of her husband on 911 and the ongoing obstruction of
justice; and
3. a Sworn Affidavit that the United States government twenty-eight <28>
years ago undertook a study to prevent the very events of 911.
===============
Mrs. Mariani was the first victim family member to bring civil action
regarding the events of 911 against United Airlines. Since then, the
"truth" of 911 has not been forthcoming and Mrs. Mariani, for the good of
her country, now seeks the truth via this courageous action under the RICO
Act.
===============
** Copy of sixty-one <61> page Amended Complaint available by e-mail
attachment prior to News Conference as "Embargoed until noon on 11/26/03"
===============
candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in
Montgomery County and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA.]
* * *
Philip J. Berg, Esq.








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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:09 PM
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1. She's not a Democrat so screw her n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:15 PM
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4. You're joking. Right?
Right?
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:19 PM
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7. NO! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:29 PM
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:36 PM
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18. Any one who is not a Democrat sucks in my book
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 09:43 PM by funkyflathead
End of story.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:07 PM
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:33 PM
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32. Is that a rhetorical question?
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 04:01 PM
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72. If that is what you believe
You arent a Democrat yourself. Man, what a mental House of Mirrors that must be.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 05:30 PM
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74. Speaking of mental houses
is the mental house in Morganton still open?
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 06:13 PM
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78. I know of Republicans that say the same thing about being a Repuke.
You have to be one of them or you are going to hell. Bu$h caused alot of people to hate each other for a barrage of selfish reasons. And he has to be one of the most selfish people to ever live. He could not even count his fellow Americans votes. He had to run to his Repuke conflict of interest ridden judges to install him instead.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 06:19 PM
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 06:37 PM
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80. i hope that the sarcasm is layered thick…
if not, i worry for your intelligence.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:24 PM
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41. There are Republicans who do not plan on voting for Bush - those
people are okay in my book. I know a few who are helping on various campaigns for Dean and for Clark.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:38 AM
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63. I know at least 25 republicans who voted for Bush in 2000
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 11:38 AM by creativelcro
but will not vote for Bush this time... What's in common about them is that they are highly educated and have been following the news (beyond FOX, that is)...
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:24 PM
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42. What the hell was that? Seriously- that response is just... weird.
Edited on Wed Nov-26-03 11:30 PM by Cat Atomic
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 09:01 AM
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60. I agree...
That response was more than weird... it was incredibly distasteful, disrespectful and inexplicable. Whether we're Dems or Repubs, we are all HUMAN BEINGS first. What a shame.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 05:49 PM
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76. An attempt to sidetrack discussion???
I've noticed that "weird" responses are often the first response to a controversial thread.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:15 PM
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70. Her Statement
Maybe her statement was a result of how the so called Demo's have voted along side with the Bu$h*t's!
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:12 PM
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2. This is the beginning of the end of the coverup!
We need to support her as much as possible! We should email this and notes of support to everyone in Congress!
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:12 PM
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3. Maybe take down phone numbers?
You're giving out the guys cell phone number to the world.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:17 PM
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5. Another woman steps up to defend democracy
I hope that the public will finally wake up, based upon the efforts of the families of 9-11 victims.

This woman lays it out. Every question she asks deserve an answer for every American of this country.

this is first I've heard, or remember, about the cargo plane records and Jeb.

anyone have a link for that one?
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:23 PM
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8. That's a new one on me, too
I admire her for bringing this suit. We need answers. I still want to know why the jets were not scrambled.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:48 PM
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36. I still want to know why Ashcroft was warned about flying ...
... commercial, and switched to expensive flights on private jets per the advice of the FBI. When questioned, he said, basically, "I dunno, I'm just a stupid bible-thumpin' son-of-a-bitch that bush needs to implement his shredding of the Constitution."

Well, that isn't really what he said. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Is that a smoking gun in your pocket, Ashcroft, or are you just glad to see me?

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:53 PM
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37. Yah, and why Willie Brown was told not to fly on 9-11 by Condoleeza
So many unanswered questions. This is one brave woman and I think a few more of those survivors are likely to follow.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:23 PM
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82. and wasn't there something about James Woods witnessing something?
But the questions about Ashcroft's sudden switch
to "private aircraft" because of a "percieved threat"
is the most pressing IMHO
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 07:23 PM
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81. I think Hopsicker wrote about this on his Madcow website
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 07:24 PM by Old and In the Way
Maybe in Paul Thompson's 9/11 timeline, too.

Obviously, this has to be the flight records of the hijackers...might all kinds of interesting information about their CIA connections in the documents...
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:17 PM
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6. Sweet Merciful Crap!
Can she do this? I mean can a citizen sue the President?

If nothing else hopefully it will get these questions out to the public. God knows we've been asking them for over two years. Maybe now the media will do its job and ask these questions themselves.

:toast:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:24 PM
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9. Paula Jones could...
but of course, maybe the rules are different for repug "presidents." Hey, the repugs allowed the precedent to be set, now let them stew in it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:36 PM
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:24 PM
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10. Paula Jones ring any bells?
The Supremos ruled that a sitting president can be sued. I don't know about a RICO case, but it would be interesting to see how far she can get.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:25 PM
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12. Great minds...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:27 PM
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13. "I mean can a citizen sue the President?"
Yes. Paula Jones and her republican henchmen did it to Clinton. They even got permission from the US Supreme Court.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:46 PM
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24. LOL
OK OK
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:25 PM
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11. Clinton vs. Jones (1997)!
The Supreme Court said it: a president may be sued in office. This is what you conservatives wanted!
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:30 PM
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15. Wow, she has ovaries!
What a brave woman to stand up and face up to the powers that be.

I'll be the first to say it--"Stay away from small planes, Mrs. M!"
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 06:58 AM
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55. You can also bet that the judge in this case
Will feel the hot breath of the BFEE on his or her neck.

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
- Governor George W. Bush
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 05:45 PM
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75. Shortly after September 11, 2001
Ellen Mariani sat in a live interview w/a rock in her hand. After her attorney spoke, she extended her arm w/the rock in her hand and said, See this? This is all that I have left of my husband!

You bet she's firey and she doesn't take bullshit.

Can discovery documents be posted on the net?
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:31 PM
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16. Doesn't work that way.
A sitting President can be sued for private actions. He can not be sued for official actions or decisions taken as POTUS.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:38 PM
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20. Well let her take it to the supreme court.
Oh yeah.... that's right. Too many Bush* flunkies on that court.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:45 PM
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23. Doesnt matter about the SCOTUS. That principle was
established a long long time ago. If the president could be sued because a citizen is unhappy with the outcome of a decision he may or may not have made, then every president would have thousands of lawsuits, most of them politically motivated, for each day in office. So the president has official immunity. It does not cover personal actions.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:23 PM
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29. Well then, I guess that one question will be answered.
Was his alleged inaction a personal decision or a professional one? After all, we do have to establish intent here.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:43 PM
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22. foreknowledge and coverup?
that would be treason...a possible reason to pierce his official immunity perhaps...
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:42 PM
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34. Treason would be hard to prove though
We would need two witnesses that could prove that Bush was doing something treasonous. I somehow doubt we will be able to find them.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:15 PM
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69. Aren't each of us citizens witness to his crimes ?
Also about a President being sued for a private vs public
policy .

What if she can prove , the only reason the saudi bin laddins
were flown out of the country were for personal private
reasons (a blow job of sorts)???

What happens when policy and private life are inseperable ?

What happens when policy is for the sole benifit of
private personal profit for family and friends ?

What happens when the public benefit is not even
a consideration ?
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:31 PM
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17. Um, where did this come from? Today is the 26th. Has this been filed?

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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:36 PM
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19. can we join her....class action!!!!! 3000 dead-where the hell are
the other family members?
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 09:41 PM
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21. Apparently this action was initiated 2 months ago
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/6836362.htm

Yes, I realize this isn't the LBN forum, and I'm not complaining, it just seems odd (or maybe it doesn't) that it's getting more notice now.

No flame, just wondering :wtf:
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impeach the gop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:13 PM
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26. Even if it doesn't stand up in court , one thing for sure
People are begining to see those pesky dot connections and I don't think it would be good for smirky when he starts whacking on family
victims with his goon squad. The chickens are about to come to roost.
Train wreck ahead. You lie once, you keep having to cover each lie with another. Not all merkins are brain dead, like they been playing us for. Nope, the more questions he won't answer, which is so guilty looking to anyone with half a brain. It reeks of someone in heep pile of pompus poop!

Keep the fire so hot under his worthless cowardly ass, he will slip into his own hell. And burn forever in the depths of the hell he created.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:29 PM
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31. Winning the court case is probably the last concern.
Discovery leading up to the case going to trial is the first priority, I would imagine. Through vetting the facts of the case, we would be able to establish a chain of events culminating in failure to prevent many deaths. Personally, this would offer closure.

The second tier concern is defeating Bush in the court of pubic opinion. Even if the suit is unsuccessful, more information will be revealed than we would otherwise know through alternative means. If successful here, Bush's veneer of credibility among the clueless will be damaged, thus casting doubt upon his mythical steadfast honesty.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:18 AM
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48. Interesting...
I hadn't heard of this case until I received this info in an email today.

Thanks for the link to the Inquirer article.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:20 PM
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28. This is potentially very big
First of all it will certainly bring much needed attention and publicity to the coverup. Second it may flush out some documents in discovery proceeding that would not come out otherwise. This is not some wink and nod panel the White House can strong arm. This is one very pissed off widow who wants someone to be held accountable for her husband's tragic death.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:26 PM
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30. Did ya'll read number 7?
7. Why did your brother Jeb (the Governor of Florida) go to the offices of the Hoffman Aviation School and order that flight records and files be removed? These files were then put on a C130 government cargo plane and flown out of the country. Where were they taken and who ordered it done?

That sounds like treason to me. Do you ever get the feeling that America isn't run by Americans?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:39 PM
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45. I've never heard this one.
wonder how many other secrets are out there.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:18 AM
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86. In all the 9/11 Conspiracy reading I've done, had not heard about Hoffman
flight records being removed and taken out of the country. I better get back over to Ruppert's site and re-read some of the articles.

That sounds very serious to me. Where the hell were they taken? Saudi Arabia?
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chromotone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:59 AM
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89. Doesn't sound like "public policy" to me...
Might lend additional credence to a lawsuit against His Royal Flatulence.
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:42 PM
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33. Here is an article about the original suit
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 10:57 PM
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38. In case anyone wants to know more about The RICO Act
http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp

It is apparent by amending its complaint to incorporate assertion of a RICO statute that Mariani and her attorney are alleging that Bush et al were an enterprise, part of whose activities were criminal in nature. In essence she will attempt to prove that Bush et al are criminally liable for their actions which directly resulted in the attack.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:03 PM
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39. Ooh, that is good!
I wonder if they will be able to pull that one off? I hope that whatever Federal judge they see IS NOT one of Bush's appointees and dismisses it.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:13 AM
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51. She will tie 911 and Iraq as a pattern of corruption
Between 911, the Iraq invasion and the treasonous outing of CIA agent, she has enough to cause some major damage o the criminal empire.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:08 PM
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40. Is their a way for for us to support her
How can we help !

Does she have a website ?
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 04:17 AM
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54. I haven't seen any website
You can probably find out through her lawyer, Philip J. Berg:

pjblaw@aol.com

Hi Patriot :hi:

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:05 PM
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67. Thanks JackieO
:loveya: this is so dear to my heart .
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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 03:52 PM
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71. Try this
www.unansweredquestions.org
Contact: Kyle Hence
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 05:50 PM
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77. thanks Ugmoose
:D
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-03 11:56 PM
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46. wow...
Phil Burg? I think I know this guy! Has an office on Ridge Pike I think. Is or was PA Assistant Attorney General or something like that? aaaagh! I can't remember these things!

Must do some research... I think I remember him in connection with voter rights or something like that since the 2000 debacle.

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:55 AM
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49. You've got it right...
Phil is also an activist that's attended MANY marches/protests in DC. He's going to kick butt! Go Phil!!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:27 AM
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47. Kick...
...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:04 AM
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50. This may also be of interest
I posted it in "Activism and Events" yesterday, where it grows mold.

Please copy and distribute as per Kyle Hence's request. Steps for taking action detailed below-



Compromised 9/11 Investigation a Looming National Scandal -- Demands Congressional Action
A Commentary
Kyle F. Hence
9/11 CitizensWatch

Mass-murderer Bin Laden Unwanted by the U.S. Government
Many of you might recall comments made by a field General during the Afghan war saying, in so many words, that they were not there to go after Osama Bin Laden...or reports by Seymour Hersch aired on Bill Moyers' NOW on PBS that, on orders from the Department of Defense, thousands of Taliban forces and even Al-Qeada operatives were airlifted to Pakistan in a break during the bombing of Kunduz. Now it appears the US military is saying that the man the US government maintains was behind the largest mass murder in U.S. history is off the hook because they tell us he's 'taken himself out of the picture"--thus no longer a priority. This according to a recent Reuters story of November 22. (see link below).

This latest policy shift follows a recent controversial White House compromise with 9/11 investigators, deemed unacceptable by victims' families, that provides highly censored and limited review of a Presidential Daily Briefings (PDBs) including one titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the U.S." What mad farce is going on here? How does America's #1 enemy, a man "wanted dead or alive" for the brutal mass murder of thousands, become irrelevant even as the White House fights tooth and nail to control access and analysis of intelligence warnings about the threat he posed prior to the attacks?

I can imagine how this as yet unexplained new policy might be received by the thousands who lost family members on 9/11 or by the millions around the globe raising serious questions and expressing measured skepticism and doubts about the war on terror, the war on Iraq and the pretext that launched both.

9/11 family members and others have been insisting the Commission keep their word and "leave no stone unturned." Well, now they know that the Administration who created the Commission won't be turning over stones looking for Bin Laden any longer. Of course this will come as no surprise to those who have noted how little effort has been directed at finding Bin Laden especially after the Administration shifted its focus to Saddam Hussein and Iraq.

9/11 Commission's 'conscience' forced to leave
The government's investigation of 9/11 is further compromised and complicated by the curious recent departure of one of the most vocal critics of the 9/11 Commission's recent deal cut with the White House to provide for limited review of over 500 PDBs from the Clinton and Bush Administrations. Max Cleland has called the deal "a national scandal" and accused the President of having 電eliberately compromised" the Commission. Cleland, a former Georgia Senator and now a former 9/11 Commissioner had been the Commission's most ardent internal watchdog and outspoken critic.

The President appointed him to serve on the board of the Import-Export Bank and, curiously, he accepted, thus forcing his withdrawal. The law establishing the Commission says Commissioners cannot, concurrent to the Commission's work, hold a federal office. The implications of his having accepted the position and forfeiting his place in the investigation, whose integrity he fought so hard to protect, are deeply disturbing. Especially coming on the heels of his biting criticism of the President and the Commission.

Dissembling of Government's Official Story May Foreshadow National Scandal
These new revelations about the government position on Bin Laden and the Commission record of compromises and softball investigative approach doesn't bode well for the search for the truth and raises serious questions. But this change of mind is indeed telling...perhaps the straw that breaks the people's credulity and ultimately exposing a far more serious national scandal then the one imagined by Senator Cleland.

Richard Bernstein of The New York Times writes in Out of the Blue that the Osama's presumption of guilt is built entirely upon circumstantial evidence. Absent a clear smoking gun and the "White Paper" promised by Secretary of State Powell and Prime Minister Blair, disturbing doubts are being expressed even as much of what we were told about 9/11 and the war on terror has since been retracted, disproved or credibly challenged in recent months. Official explanations and accounts are shifting like sands along a riptide.

We've learned that at least five of the 19 named by the FBI and produced with pictures within 24 hours are alive in Saudi Arabia (BBC), Zaccarias Mousaoui is not the 20th hijacker after all, there was no Iraqi Nuclear program poised for deployment, and Saddam was neither allied with Bin Laden nor responsible for 9/11 or the anthrax attacks. Official 'stories' are dissembling across the board.

We also have new information about the extent of pre-9/11 warnings thanks to the investigative work of Eleanor Hill and the Congressional Joint Inquiry. Contrary to statements made by Condaleeza Rice on May 16, 2002 that "no one could have imagined" planes being used a weapons, we now know that in fact the intelligence community was well aware of the risk of just such an attack. Warnings were acted upon at the site of the G-8 Summit in Genoa, Italy in July of 2001 where anti-aircraft measures were taken to protect the President from terrorists using planes as weapons.

When I asked Vice-Chair Hamilton at the conclusion of a recent public hearing how the Commission intended to resolve this sharp challenge to the President's National Security Advisor he was vague and evasive even after pressed with a follow-up. The Commission chairs were also asked to confirm whether or not they have sworn in witnesses in private 'interviews' and, if so, if they intended to apply the same investigative practice in their upcoming public hearings. This would be especially important where testimony is germaine to resolving key questions, conflicts or discrepancies that continue to cloud our understanding of 9/11.

Shocking conflict of interest stands -- a slap in the face of 9/11 families
What adds insult to injury here lie in the details of the recent compromise reached between the White House and the 9/11 Commission. The Commission has announced it will send its Executive Director, Dr. Phillip Zelikow, a Universtiy Professor, to be one of only two allowed into the White House to review relavant portions of hundreds of PDBs in question, presumably because the Commissioners themselves won't know exactly what to look for, not having been immersed in the minutae of the investigation as Dr. Zelikow has been.

What fuels the fire of those already deeply skeptical about the compromise is the fact that Dr. Zelikow brings with him the most serious conflict of interest to yet surface in the context of this investigation. Dr. Zelikow's selection is a slap in the face of family members and should be construed as obstruction of justice and one of the most serious compromises to the Commission's integrity. Instead of being sent to the White House to review PDBs Zelikow should be sent packing for his unwillingness to recuse himself.

Dr. Zelikow, is being asked to scrutinize a President he recently served as a member of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and who last year co-authored a book with National Security Advisor, Condaleeza Rice, whose lie, deciept or ignorance regarding the issue of planes as weapons has been directly challenged by the Joint Inquiry Report now in the historical record. Will Zelikow seek her sworn testimony for the record? Given his intimate role in the 'transition team' creating President Bush's National Security Council he clearly has a conflict of interest which could interfere with the pursuit of the truth in this case. The Commission's original chair Henry Kissinger was forced to resign after he refused to expose his client list. Here the conflicts are in plain view and yet the completely justified objections from the family members and others have been entirely dismissed by the Commission.

Furthering muddying the waters is the noticable lack of attention being paid to Commission access to details of the July 5th meeting of the Counterterrorism Security Group called and held by Counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke. Intelligence was discussed regarding an 'imminent' attack, 'spectacular' in nature 'designed to inflict mass casulties". Again, it is reasonable to assume that this has yet to publicly addressed in part from Zelikow's conflict of interest. Even the appearance of conflict of interest, in the most important investigation since the Warren Commission, should be enough for the Commission to excuse Zelikow and appoint a Co-Executive Director to handle these delicate matters with an Executive branch with which he has such close ties.


A Call for Hearings on the Hill
Given hints the Commission may soon ask Congress for an extension of its deadline it is time that all of those concerned with the integrity of the current Commission and its work to call for and help organize full and open hearings on Capitol Hill.

It is time for the Congress in its oversight capacity to take direct issue with the blatant conflict of interest thus far allowed to stand, the presence of minders allowed to sit in on Commission interviews, the lack of sworn testimony in public hearings, and the failure to produce interim findings of fact. These hearings should address this broad range of concerns. Congress should issue an overt challenge to a commission gone soft and failing to live up to a high and consistent investigative standard that must be applied at this perilous moment in history. Failing this urgent remedy and democratic scrutiny, the obvious concern is that the Kean Commission will become as discredited and doubted as the Warren Commission.

Given the stakes involved here, with nearly 3000 murdered and a global war on terror sacrificing American blood and treasure, it is absolutely imperative that indeed no stone is left unturned by this Commission, that they and the President be held to their word and to the highest investigative standard. Thus far they have failed to keep their word and meet this standard.

Urgent corrective action is required immediately and concerned citizens must act now to insure that Congress holds the Commission fully and transparently accountable to fulfill their mandate. Failing that Congress should launch a full investigation of their own, acting to declassify were necessary, with the deeply probative Committee hearings that Daschle should have encouraged and not limited when asked to do so by the President and Vice-president early in 2002.

The Commission should withdraw from it deal with the White House and issue a subpoena to insure full access to both NSC and Oval Office documents.



========================================================

Osama capture unnecessary, US general says; Reuters -- November 22, 2003
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/22/1069027373682.html?from=storyrhs
A senior US general said today that al Qa'eda mastermind Osama bin Laden had "taken himself out of the picture" and that his capture was not essential to winning the "war on terror".

"The President Ought to be Ashamed"; Salon -- Eric Boehlert; Friday 21 November 2003; http://truthout.org/docs_03/112303A.shtml

"New job takes Cleland off 9/11 panel"
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20031123-091108-4750r.htm
Cleland bemoans the administration's "Nixonian" love of secrecy and its attempt to "slow walk" the commission into irrelevancy.

========================================================

A scathing critique of the current Commission was published as a cover story by savvy investigative journalist Kelly Patricia O'Meara in November 23 issue of Insight Magazine. It is titled "A Historical Whitewash?"
http://www.insightmag.com/news/565658.html

I am told each issue of Insight Magazine is delivered to every member of Congress. Now is the right time to begin to raise the issues covered in the Insight article and in my commentary above.

Please take a moment now and again in the coming weeks to contact your representative to express your concerns about the 9/11 Investigation. Specifically ask that the Congress to hold hearings at their earliest opportunity to address these serious problems within the Commission. America's credibility in the world is at stake as is justice for the victims and their families, and ultimately the whether or not we learn the whole truth and secure full accountability. PLEASE ACT NOW.

ALSO,
Please call, fax or write the Commission giving voice to your objection to their recent compromise with the White House and the Executive Director's Conflict of Interest.

========================================================

CONTACT DETAILS:

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
301 7th Street, SW
Room 5125
Washington, DC 20407

Washington Office*
Tel: (202) 331-4060
Fax: (202) 296-5545 info@9-11Commission.gov

New York Office
Tel: (212) 264-1505
Fax: (212) 264-1595
info@9-11Commission.gov

9/11 Family Liaison Office
Tel: (212) 264-1505
Toll-Free: 1-888-862-0556
Fax: (212) 264-1595
ehartz@9-11Commission.gov

=======================================================

Selected quotes from Cleland in an interview with Eric Boehlert:

"...a majority of the commission has agreed to a bad deal."

"It is a national scandal."

"I say that decision compromised the mission of the 9/11 commission, pure and simple. Far from the commissioners being able to fulfill their obligation to the Congress and the American people, and far from getting access to all the documents we need, the president of the United States is cherry-picking what information is shown to that minority of commissioners. Now this is ridiculous. That's not full and open access.

"If you trust one commissioner you should trust them all. I don't understand it. You can say, 'I'm not going to show anything to anybody, and take me to court.' At least that's consistent. But it's not consistent at all to say we're going to parse out this information and we determine how many members of the commission get to see it."

"It's all about 9/11. This is not a political witch hunt. This is the most serious independent investigation since the Warren Commission. And after watching History Channel shows on the Warren Commission last night, the Warren Commission blew it. I'm not going to be part of that. I'm not going to be part of looking at information only partially. I'm not going to be part of just coming to quick conclusions. I'm not going to be part of political pressure to do this or not do that. I'm not going to be part of that. This is serious."

"Let's chase this rabbit into the ground here. They had a plan to go to war and when 9/11 happened that's what they did; they went to war. They pulled off their task force in Afghanistan, their Predator assets, and shifted them over to the war in Iraq. They took their eye off the 9/11 ball and transferred it to the Iraq ball. And that's a very strategic question that ultimately has got to be answered. I'm focused on 9/11 and the administration is not focused on it. They don't want to share information, and they didn't agree with the commission in the first place."

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 11:58 AM
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64. Or, maybe not
I thought there were a few bombshells in there :shrug:
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:54 PM
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66. thanks jen
much that i haven't seen before.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:15 AM
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52. I'm so impressed with some of the 9/11 widows
This is one of them. When they publically speak out, they give a lot of credibility to this and people begin to listen more.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:18 AM
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53. wonder what form her suicide will take . . .
fall from a window? . . . plane crash? . . . bad mayo in a deli sandwich? . . . just curious . . .
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:38 AM
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93. I'm thinking the same.
The poor woman is in obvious distress.

Like Margie Schoedinger.

Like Cliff Baxter.

Like David Kelly.

Like Peter Hartmann.

Like John Kokal.

Like James Hatfield.

Like Katherine Smith.

Like Craig Spence.

Like Danny Casolaro.

Like Steve Kangas.

Like Paul Wilcher.

Like Charles Dana Rice.

Like James Daniel Watkins.

Like Don C. Wiley.

Like....
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 07:43 AM
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56. what's up with #7 and Jeb
Wonder what date this was? What were in those f'ing records?

Wow, the strength of this woman is amazing, hope others follow suit. We all need to know what happened on 9/11 and as long as Bush* is in the WH we will never know.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:47 AM
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57. Go here...
madcowprod.com

Go into archives and start with article 1.

Read it all. Don't buy all of it, just read it.

This is the only investigative work on the hijackers in Florida, and the fully-mainstream confirmable half is already a doozie! Including Jeb's flight with the evidence.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 08:55 AM
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58. thanks...some interesting info there
what's with this quote? alarm bells ringing in my head.

<<On September 10th 2002, Rep. Richard Shelby already said about the flight school in Florida. "there is explosive information that has not been publicly released. I think there are some more bombs out there.....I know that." >>

So what did Shelby know the day before? when will it be released? Never :(
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:35 AM
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88. Jack, is Ruppert the only source for the Hoffman Records being flown out
on Jeb's orders, though. If it's just Ruppert, much as I find his theories fascinating, I wonder if there's any hard evidence of this. Hoping some DU'ers know of another source.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 09:00 AM
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59. These types of efforts...
...are necessary even if they're ultimately not successful.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 10:03 AM
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61. Maybe we should use the collective power of DU to sue him too
What could we sue him for?
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 10:51 AM
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62. Any suite w/political ties wont work !
It would quickly stamped as being driven by politics and have zero attension given it ! Any attempted lawsuit should be totally independant , or the bought and paid for media will quickly ignore it and probably not even report it. It must been seen as a truthful suit with honest intensions . The families of the dead from 9/11 would have the most belivevable intensions.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:33 PM
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65. Way to go sweetheart!!!!.................LIHOP is a start, but go deeper.
:bounce:
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:07 PM
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68. Folks the president gets sued 100 times a day - it won't come to anything
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:57 AM
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84. but, by a 9/11 widow?

the bottom line remains the same:

if he had nothing to hide, he wouldn't be preventing an investigation.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 05:17 PM
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73. She forgot one of the most important issues
Probably the single most important issue that has not been adequately explained is why NORAD and our entire civil air defense system completely failed to follow proper procedures on 9/11/2001.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:42 AM
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83. kick
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:07 AM
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85. there is A Growing Movement - to Demand
STOP the Bush COVER-UP!

New website on December 1.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:26 AM
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87. There it is! another LIHOP accusation for BFEE
from a victim's family. There are way too many unanswered questions about 9/11, it was allowed to proceed even though elements of it were under investigation IMO.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:02 AM
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90. Mariani vs. Bush (Full amended complaint)
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:15 AM
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91. Sweet.
The facts surrounding this case would make Bill Clinton's travails seem more like child's play than foreplay.

Bring 'em on!!!!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:09 AM
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92. Kick.
:dem:
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 10:28 AM
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94. The Paula Jones case is a useful analogy re: media coverage
Isn't this more newsworthy than Clinton's sexual misbehavior? I mean, we are talking about potential treason here. Wouldn't it be ironic to have the Bush gang as the first subjects of a military tribunal?

Oh, I forgot who owns the media...never mind.
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