Man...it's gonna rock when Dennis Kucinich wins the election...

[MrSoundAndVision]

I promise each of you here at the DU, all 31K registered users a drink when he's elected and my college loan debt is forgiven. And damn is it going to be good to finally take care of that irritating rash, and damn, I can't wait to work for the Department of Peace. Say I bet Arnold Swartzeneggar a la "Kindergarten Cop" would work for the DOP. Anyway, it's going to be a good time here at the DU...imagine all the Dean supporters we'll have to nurture....

[rumguy]

1. do I detect sarcasm?

[MrSoundAndVision]

7. Actually I completely serious

think about it....whoa....awesome. I AM completely serious, see: Click http://www.kucinich.us/join.htm and join us now, the revolution will not be televised!

It's sad that you didn't take me seriously...would be a pretty obscure brand of sarcasm don't you think. Maybe it's indicative of your general attitude. Let's investigate...do you find yourself defending NAFTA and the WTO in coversations, but you don't know why?

[rumguy]

12. It's just that he stands a snowball's chance in hell of

being elected.

[Frodo]

19. Once again Rummy... I have to disagree with you.

He DOESN't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

[rumguy]

25. naw I think it's about a snowball's chance...no more, no less

[Kitsune]

22. Which Circle?

Because the 9th Circle of Hell is a frozen lake... :evilgrin:

[rumguy]

26. so the worst circle is a frozen lake?

how does the devil hang out there if it's all cold?

[AntiCoup2K4]

Satan doesn't hang out there. That's what demon "grunts" are for

....Though it's rumored that ol' Beelzebub is lobbying for an NHL franchise :evilgrin:

[mdmc]

98. HE is represented by a team in NJ

;:dem:

[JackieO]

39. WOOT!

I don't really feel like the 9th circle is all that far away...

[Capn Sunshine]

113. You just described Cleveland in February

[Ernesto]

103. No sarcasm

Mr S&V just failed to mention that the election he spoke about is actually being held on Mars.

[tinanator]

106. you are mistaken

the election on Mars was the one where people thought Dean was an alternative, and although he was "too left to beat Bush", he won an honest election.

[realFedUp]

2. boy, it's late....

take two and post in the morning....:-)

[Ksec]

3. God knows you have a positive attitude

I wish I could have part of that and get over this curmudgeon phase.

Kucinich is cool. I really like him.

[MrSoundAndVision]

11. K K K K K

You can have some of this optimism...but first you have to join us, and part of that is optimism, joining "the losers" and then assuring yourself you'll win. Don't be afraid to lose! That's what's wrong with most Dean supporters, they know it's time for a liberal to change this country, then the media says Howard Dean is liberal for one reason or another (anger doesn't suffice) and that's it. JOIN US! The revolution WILL NOT BE TELEVISED!

I'm optimistic. When I hear Dennis verbally b-slap Robert Siegal of NPR for saying that he's from another planet for opposing the Medicare bill, and Kucinich says that the supporters are from the planet GREED! I am so proud. I am so confident. I am so ready to win graciously with my leader! Whoa!

[Ksec]

18. Ive donated to Dennis

I have his bumpersticker on my cabinet down in my workshop in the basement. Ive been all over the board on my choices. Presently Ive been on the Clark train, but I would love to see Kucinich win. I sound like a politician , dont I ?

[TimeLord]

48. I like him as well...

it's only too bad that you have to be a prick to be president.

:shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

4. It will be a great day for all of America,

except for the PNACers and hard-core Republicans.

Dennis is the best. :party:

[Zorra]

16. Yowsa!

Be like July 4, 1776 all over again! Join the :party:

[MuseRider]

5. Well, I am going

to faint, celebrate, run around in circles and generally be ecstatic with the real hope that my children might actually get a chance at the kind of life I wished for them. AND that we will all be able to age with some grace and dignity.

[MrSoundAndVision]

9. Me too

My two year old will love it when he gets free education, free health coverage regardless of the fact that I'm unemployed, a society at peace. He'll be bewildered when I tell him that Eminem used to sell albums of pure violence and masogynism. He'll not believe me when I say that once upon a time the TV told you who to vote for, who had a "chance".

It's going to be an interesting future. I can't wait.
MRSAV

[mdmc]

6. I'd love to see it...

that... and a real life Simpson movie... yeah !!!

[11 Bravo]

8. And even though he's not my first choice,

if he gets the nomination I will vote for him with a smile on my face. ABB, baby.

[tritsofme]

10. Dude pass that joint over this way.

[MuseRider]

13. With K

that joint will be legal!

[sendero]

14. that's way past joint...

... that's up to crack in da house :)

[tinanator]

82. more like racism

but theyve always had a soft spot to sit in the DLC.

[Ignoramus]

15. How to make democrats do what ever you want

Propose something more extreme than what you actually want, then they will compromise and accept what you really want them to.

[MrSoundAndVision]

17. That's

an idiotic rule. Go home.

[dweller]

21. We are home MrSAV

and it's a big tent home. Let the others whine, grouse and dispute.
They will want a part of the movement that rises above the squalor we are in now, and rise with the tide.

when the day comes, i'm in on the drinks, the :party: and putting the world back in synch with Peace.

That day will be magnificent.

peace,
dp

[Cascadian]

20. I like Kucinich but....

I honestly do not think he will win. I don't think he is electable in my opinion though he does has some great ideas and I have some respect for him but let's be realistic here. I do not view him as presidential.


John

[MuseRider]

23. Good to see you!

I have missed you being around this board!

[Cascadian]

27. Sometimes I just need a break.

I get so wound up at times that I need to get away. Plus certain people who's names I won't say that are in here really get under my skin. Not you though! ;-) Good to see you too!


John

[MuseRider]

29. Me too.

Breaks can be good. I was surprised to learn you are not a Kucinich supporter. I would have figured you were. Looks like I figured wrong again! LOL.

[Cascadian]

31. Oh well...

I do like Kucinich but I am backing Dean for now. Who knows what will happen a year from now?

John

[Zorra]

24. Um, I'm curious....

What qualities must exist in a candidate in order for you to view a candidate as "presidential"?

[Cascadian]

28. I think it's a combination of things.

Like it or not, Americans are image driven and as much as I like Dennis Kucinich, he just doesn't seem to have that presidential image to me. Kucinich does have the ideas and the passion but I don't see any real charisma compared to Howard Dean. I am sorry to say that but it's true.

John

[LWolf]

41. Too many Americans are image driven.

A sad state of affairs.

As for charisma...one of DK's challenges has been that the only time the rest of America sees him is in a debate. The media doesn't show his campaign. And in debates, he is serious and focused. I never see him smile. People don't see the charisma. I know he has the issues down. I wish he would let America see the rest of who he is during the debates, since that's all of him they're seeing.

If you want to see charisma, view a video of him having a conversation with people. Or, even better, show up at a Kucinich event and meet him in person. You'll find plenty of charisma!

[tinanator]

81. thats absurd to the point of being postmodern

Dean has charisma? What, exactly is charisma? Im definitely confused about that!

[Zorra]

93. Hmmm........

So, maybe it would be a good idea for Democrats to draft someone like Robert Redford to run for President? He is pretty liberal, I think; but I'm not totally sure what his politics are. But he definitely has the image; he's a very attractive man, and a successful actor. He might not know what he is doing as a President, but he definitely has that "presidential image". He could beat bush.

Is image a more important quality in a US President than great ideas, experience, ability, talent, genuine concern for people, and substance?

[tinanator]

116. nah, he's short!

but at least he helps shorter and slightly taller actors and actresses stay in demand. Oh wait, what was his last starring role? Does he really get his shoes from Gene Simmons?
I do have the highest regard for him, btw. As an actor, etc.

[JohnKleeb]

117. who? what? now

Whos short? Kucinich yeah hes short but it cracks me up when a Deannie says that because hey now the Doc aint tall himself, Doc Dean is like 5'8, which makes him an inch or so taller than Kucinich. I am taller than both of em, so I am more electable ;).

[tinanator]

118. nah, Redford!

now, he's short! And no, I dont care how tall Kucinich is. Ive stood next to him and he lacks for nothing.

[JohnKleeb]

127. Bobby R eh

neither do I, I am taller than him but he still kicks ass you know. When did you stand next to him? Hes a great guy isnt he.

[ibegurpard]

30. If Kucinich wins the election I will jump for joy.

No kidding.

[JohnKleeb]

32. I'll cry out of joy

I hope this day comes, I don't know if it will, :shrug:, sorry I am still mentally exhausted and stressed.

[Beaker]

33. Why in hell should your college loan debt be forgiven?

I paid mine, my wife paid hers...why do you, or anyone else somehow deserve to have your loan forgiven?

[eridani]

34. My sister in law's parents both had polio

but she and her sisters got the Salk vaccine and didn't! Abolish it, I say!

[Beaker]

69. ummmm...if someone recieved money as a "loan"-

and agreed to the terms of that loan, why should the debt be forgiven?

[tinanator]

80. Hey, arent you Stuttering John?

wow, someone famous!

[liberalcapitalist]

37. why in the hell do women deserve to vote?

My great great great great great grandma couldn't, so why should my wife be able to?

[Beaker]

70. ummmmm- if someone recieved money as a loan-

and agreed to the terms of the loan, why should the loan be forgiven at taxpayer expense...?

[ibegurpard]

38. Because it is economically in our best interest to provide good

cheap education. More people with more disposable income can buy more stuff. Capisce?

[Beaker]

71. but if someone took out money as a loan-

and agreed to the terms of the loan, why should the debt be forgiven?
If those loans are to be just "wiped away", why not reimburse everyone who has ever paid a college loan, or paid tuition of any kind, for that matter? after all, more people with more disposable income can buy more stuff...capiche?

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[Beaker]

72. which class would that be?

If someone borrows money, and agrees to the terms of the loan, why should those loans be forgiven at taxpayer expense?

[tinanator]

77. I dunno

ask Enron, S&L deregulators, faulty defense contractors. Maybe they know?

[Beaker]

84. so...apparently you don't have any answers.

typical.

(and you're telling me to go back to school???)

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[Beaker]

92. Really?

:eyes:

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[Beaker]

99. I'm still waiting for a logical explanation-

as to why agreed to student loans should be forgiven at taxpayer expense.

Got one?

If you want to provide free education, fine- but that doesn't explain why existing loans should be forgiven...
and if the existing loans are to be forgiven, then why not reimburse everyone who has ever paid up a student loan? or anyone that has ever paid tuition, for that matter?

an actual explanation of the reasoning would be appreciated- If you're intellectually up to the challenge.(I'm guessing that you're not)

[impeach the gop]

35. Hell, it could happen

Truman beat Dewy on a sure shot

[jsw_81]

36. President Kucinich

[REP]

40. Yeah, Except For The Monkey Problem

You know, all the monkeys that will flying out of people's asses when Kucinich wins... What will we do with all those monkeys?*



*Shamelessly stolen from Jon Stewart

[quaker bill]

42. I hadn't heard

That he was running for another office. I thought he was only running for President.

[FlaGranny]

43. Wet blanket

Kuchinich is probably closest to my idea of who I'd like to be president. The trouble is if/when he or any other Democrat gets elected, we still have Congress to contend with. If Congress stays Republican, not much can be accomplished against the "predator class."

"Predator Class" is my new favorite term for right-wingers - it so perfectly describes them, don't you think?

[tinanator]

44. they are called "Executive Orders"

and they were critical in implementing the Bush/Reagan world order domestically. He is ready and willing to do the right thing.
Are you?

[ShaneGR]

46. Well, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it's not gonna happen

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

"It is early, but if you had to choose today, which ONE of the following nine candidates would you be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president? . . ."

11/03 9/16-18 9/2-4 7/22-24 5/03
% % % % %
Howard Dean 20 15 14 12 7
Wesley Clark 16 13 n/a n/a n/a
Richard Gephardt 14 9 15 14 14
Joe Lieberman 12 9 13 14 18
John Kerry 10 12 20 20 15
John Edwards 5 9 5 6 9
Dennis Kucinich 4 n/a n/a n/a n/a
Al Sharpton 3 7 4 3 5
Carol Moseley Braun 3 1 3 3 3
Hillary Rodham Clinton (vol.) 1 - 2 2 3
Other/None/Not sure 12 21 23 23 18
Bob Graham n/a 4 3 3 8

"Thinking ahead to the 2004 presidential election, if you were asked to vote for a Democratic presidential nominee for president today, which of the following Democrats would you vote for? . . ."

11/03
.

%
.

Howard Dean 14 .

Wesley Clark 12 .

Joseph Lieberman 11 .

John Kerry 9 .

Dick Gephardt 6 .

John Edwards 5 .

Al Sharpton 5 .

Carol Moseley Braun 4 .

Dennis Kucinich 2 .

Other 9 .

Not sure 23





11/18-19 10/14-15 9/23-24 9/9-10
% % % %
Howard Dean 18 12 13 14
Wesley Clark 14 13 20 n/a
Joe Lieberman 10 11 9 16
Dick Gephardt 9 9 9 6
John Kerry 8 10 10 17
Carol Moseley Braun 3 3 2 3
John Edwards 3 3 5 4
Dennis Kucinich 2 2 1 2
Al Sharpton 2 2 2 2
Someone else/Other (vol.) 6 - 5 7
Wouldn't vote (vol.)/Not sure 25 35 21 26
Bob Graham n/a n/a 2 3
.

[tinanator]

51. ah those handy dandy bullshit polls!

the ones that dont jibe with reality or the MULTITUDE of polls that tell a completely different story, one that at worst puts DK in a very strong 3rd place, and at best place him FAR ahead of EVERY other candidate. Those simply wouldnt serve your purpose, would they?
Hell of a job, are you sure someone has to do it?

[Padraig18]

54. Links to those polls, please?

I've never seen DK place 3rd in a scientific poll yet, and I'd be fascinated to see the numbers and methodology.

[REP]

56. Obviously

They are referring to the creatures of the forest poll, and others where those polled are not allowed to vote due to age.

[tinanator]

74. obviously

such keen powers of obfuscation.

[tinanator]

62. A scientific poll?

you mean the ones that show overwhelming support for Bush?
The ones run by pay per pollers? Is that what you mean by scientific?
Even IF, what the fuck does the alleged opinions of ignorant people mean in terms of governing a society? If you cant find the numerous polls (oh MoveOn's meant nothing, I know, etc etc, but, but...) that show Kucinich's widespread popularity, I am not your red tipped cane today.

[ShaneGR]

57. link to it

Link to any poll that shows him 3rd or higher please.

[tinanator]

60. I already did in another thread

Im not gonna do it again, for a few reasons. Can you guess what they are?

[Padraig18]

61. Why should we search every thread in GD?

You mentioned the poll, so please provide the link.

[tinanator]

64. polls, not poll, Happy Thanksgiving, turkeys

there are SO MANY more than these, I wasnt particular about which ones I copied and pasted. Ive seen the signs all along. Its amazing, but not as amazing as the power to deny.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=766044&mesg_id=777422&page=

[Padraig18]

120. Nice try, but no banana!

Those are online polls, NOT scientific polls. They can be 'freeped', so to speak, with multiple votes. An online poll is, essentially, as worthless as the paper it's not written on. :eyes:

Kucinich polls dead last in every scientific poll I've seen.

[tinanator]

122. define "scientific"

I think you have a whole lot of faith when things play to your preconceptions. If you cant spot the BS in the polls placing Kucinich behind Sharpton and CMB, well, what good are words?

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[Padraig18]

128. I'll post it again!

Scientific polls are conducted by calling a subject group (say, NM Democrats), obtaining their answers to specific questions (e.g., 'Who are you going to vote for in your caucus?), and analyzing those answers mathematically, and expessing them numerically. DK finishes in the top 6 in NO poll conducted using anything resembling proper methodology.

[ShaneGR]

68. It's not that hard, refute every poll known to man, with your poll

Does it exist?

[tinanator]

73. as surely as your blind spot

which I previously could only suspect.

[Zynx]

47. Nice to see your optimism.

BUT IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!

[tinanator]

52. lol

I bet youve done really well in the stock market, right?

[AWD]

49. Kucinich WILL win the election....

....problem is, it's not the election you think it is.

He'll win the election in 2004 and return as Congressman Kucinich.

But look for his return in 2006 for a Senatorial run against Mike DeWine.

[AntiCoup2K4]

50. And when Kucinich is elected, The Beatles can play at his innagural!

One's just as likely to happen as the other :evilfrown:

[tinanator]

53. actually Willie's already been booked

Ani DeFranco as well. See you there?

[jarab]

55. Wasted energies.

A Thanksgiving joke. Your debt will go unpaid. DK could not gain the nomination with *'s $$. The sooner this registers, the more time you might dedicate to the cause of ANY candidate with a remote chance of winning.
...O...

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[jarab]

63. "You Dems" ?? !! n/t

...O...

[tinanator]

65. sorta like "you people"?

Allow me to amend it to "you Dems that worship Money at the altar of Trippi" is that better??!!

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

58. Kucinich is great

I love your positive attitude, forgive me if I harbor some doubts about your position though. :)

[JohnKleeb]

67. Yeah

Maggie I don't think its gonna happen but I want it to and I will try to have it happen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Did I Miss Something?

Is DK getting traction in some new polls?

[tinanator]

75. only in the real ones

but then there is always the corporate take on things to fall back on. Something to fill in the gaps in a corporate cablevision education, I guess?

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[tinanator]

79. oh thats a riot!

My god, is your phone ringing yet? CNN needs your wit and insight.

[Paragon]

78. I'd like to believe that's true, but...

...you give the backwards American public -- Democrats included -- too much credit.

It takes a certain type of positivity (naivete?) to believe as you do, which I can't help but sort of admire.

Kucinich isn't my guy, but not because he's a longshot. Hell, I voted for Nader.

[tinanator]

83. The backwards American public

is more than ready for DK. Brainwarped Dems on the other hand will simply have to hold their noses, I guess?

[Paragon]

87. C'mon

Disagreeing with Kucinich's policies doesn't make me "brainwarped" -- I like to think I'm an informed voter.

Joe Voter, however, will take one look at the little guy and make up their minds before they even hear him speak. Sorry.

[tinanator]

88. tell it to Perot voters

a phenomenon to be ignored only by fools. Go ahead and provide an argument. be my guest. This country is not populated by Gallup poll answerers. Informed by what?

[tinanator]

89. in fact

what policies do you disagree with? That would be most informative. thanks!

[JohnKleeb]

90. Nah you arent brainwarped but what does bug me is people saying

I agree with Kucinich's policies the most and I like him but I am supporting "candiate name here". Joe Voter can kiss my ass honestly if JV is gonna be so judgemental.

[Paragon]

96. I don't agree with Kucinich's policies the most

He's just plain wrong on health care. Screaming "single payer! single payer!" at his appearances displays a fundamental ignorance of how entrenched the insurance companies are in the economy. They can not and will not just dissolve away to government control. We will have to work with them, not against them, to make the system better and keep insurance from becoming more and more a luxury for the rich.

He's also wrong on Iraq -- while the notion of pulling out of Iraq completely drives his supporters to orgasm, it's a cream dream (pun intended). There's a terrific mess to clean up now - which we (well, Bush) created - and it's our responsibility to do more than just dump it in the UN's lap. He's right that we never should've been there in the first place...but that just isn't the reality.

And, I'm sorry - but even though he's switched his policy on abortion, ever having been against it is absolutely inexcusable. I have never once in my life thought that a ban was ever viable, and the fact that he has says something about how his mind works (or doesn't).

There - flame away.

[tinanator]

115. wow, an eloquent, fact based, detailed and substantiated explanation

might exist somewhere, but not in this sad diatribe. If your standards are that meticulous, I can only wonder who is good enough for your support?
j/k, I dont care.

[Paragon]

126. Thanks

I just realized -- you ARE Joe Voter. Especially if you think Kucinich can "forgive" your college debt. I guess the tax-cut rich aren't the only ones willing to accept a bribe.

[Imajika]

86. That is funny

I am sure you hope your college debt is forgiven, the Department of Peace becomes reality and someone does something about your "irritating rash" - but there is literally no chance Dennis Kucinich will be the Democratic nominee let alone elected President.

Infact, I'd say Lyndon Larouche has a better chance.

I don't know if Kucinich supporters predicting victory are deluded or just living in an alternate reality - but Kucinich barely registers in any scientific polls and may not even be as popular as Sharpton (who also has exactly zero chance to win)

Tell me which Democratic primaries Dennis is going to win, and show me some polling that backs this up?

Imajika

[tinanator]

91. California for one.

I cant speak for the others, but depending on the voting systems in place, he has excellent chances. Lyndon LaRouche? How insulting. congratulations.

[Beaker]

95. Evidence? Please?

poll numbers? an endorsement from herr gropenfuhrer? anything to back up your claim...?

After all anyone can say "California for one."...

[tinanator]

100. poll numbers as evidence?

Im afraid the polls are not to be trusted. You may think Californians elected Arnold, I do not. If Arnold is your source for anyhting, I can take a rest right now. No, I am looking at actual ISSUES that effect Californians, warm bodies that are working for Kucinich, and the reality of politics that are not reflected in polling, whatever that means. You have hardly offered any reason to think your opinion is based in science or art. Simply prejudice. Good luck!

[Beaker]

102. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! just what I figured.

You.
Got.
NUTHIN'.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

thanks for the laughs, what with the gloomy here weather today, I wondered how I was going to get a smile on my face.

[Imajika]

97. California?

"I cant speak for the others, but depending on the voting systems in place, he has excellent chances."

Oh stop it. Show me the polling that shows Kucinich has even the slightest chance in California.

"Lyndon LaRouche? How insulting. congratulations."

I'm sorry, you can live in fantasyland or try to keep hold of reality.

Kucinich is not going to win a single primary. Anyone who understands American politics is well aware of this.

LaRouche does have quite a following, and while ofcourse he won't ever be President - neither will Kucinich.

Imajika

[tinanator]

101. more poll hangers on

how pathetic your outlook is. How easily fooled.

[Imajika]

104. Do you realize how utterly...

...ridiculous you sound?

"more poll hangers on how pathetic your outlook is. How easily fooled."

Here you've got a candidate, Kucinich, that has virtually no national or regional support on anywhere near the level that would allow him to win even one Democratic primary, and your calling other people easily fooled?

Imajika

[tinanator]

105. yes you are but what am I?

I suggest you investigate the polls not done by corporate interests.
Or is that just crazy talk?

[Beaker]

107. which polls show Kucinich with any real chance in California?

Why should other people research YOUR claims?
Please provide links to the polls you'd like people to "investigate", which show DK at the head of the pack in Cally...

or is that too much to ask?

[Imajika]

109. Beaker

"which polls show Kucinich with any real chance in California?"

His "poll" is likely this posters own ancedotal evidence of people he/she knows. To anyone who understands politics, this sort of thing means absolutely nothing, but some dreamers can't quite get their hands around reality.

"Why should other people research YOUR claims?"

This is typical of people with fringe claims and ridiculous conspiracy theories. They make loopy assertions and then argue that others should disprove them.

Kucinich will not win in California or anywhere else. Anyone who points out that Dennis has no chance at all will obviously be proven correct, while those who peddle this sort of fantasy will be back again with some other silly prediction, backed by no evidence, for us all to disprove.

Saying all this. I fully understand why some would throw their support behind Kucinich - if they are doing so looking towards the future. There is nothing wrong with getting behind a candidate or organization knowing that victory is not in sight in the short term. For those that like Dennis, backing him now might give him more influence in the Democratic party down the line.

Still, it is silly to make goofy predictions of victory that have absolutely zero chance of becoming reality in this election cycle.

Imajika

[tinanator]

110. I'll save this post

and warm it up for you to eat in March, Mr Zogby.

[Imajika]

111. tinanator

Oh, please do.

Somehow though, I don't think we will ever see it again.

Imajika

[John_H]

108. Too bad Kucinich can't put teeth back in freepers' mouths

You'll have to see your dentist cousin...wait, I forgot you're married to your cousin, and she's a bricklayer. Anyway you'll have to see a dentist.

[tinanator]

114. sure he can

you havent read his campaign platform I take it?

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[Robin Hood]

119. Except for the DOP, Kucinich has the best ideas and the most passion.

And it's a real sad f*cking day that he does not have a chance in hell to be elected President in America, yet an idiot, religious nutcase is currently in control of the most powerful nation in history.

Wake me from this nightmare scenario. There's no place like home, There's no place like home.

[meti57b]

121. If Kucinich can win and does win, no one will be happier than I .....

but I really do not think he can win the general election or even the primary.

[JohnKleeb]

123. You wanna wager I think I will be happier lol

[TexasMexican]

124. LoL

Dean > *