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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:07 PM
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Will a brave republican step up and run against * in the primaries?
I've been thinking about this for awhile, and tonight, Jeff Greenberg brought this reverie into historical perspective:

not since WWII, possibly before (wasn't really listening at this point), not a single incumbent presidential candidate who ran unopposed in his primary has lost re-election (I know that Boo-sh was never elected in the first place, OK?).

Also mentioned by Greenberg is the concomitant that no sitting president has ever won re-election, having had any significant primary opposition.

the 'significant' part is mine, as I wasn't listening completely. I think he may have said 'any' primary opposition at all, but that seems a bit farfetched.

that said, isn't there SOMEbody out there that thinks the ship of state is heading for the iceberg floes, and that, given the heavy concentration of megalomaniacs in both parties, isn't their somebody out in the elephant pasture that thinks he has a chance against the squatter king?

or does the fact that he's already raised, what, 175 MILLION put the cork in the bottle, unless the chimpboy really really really steps in it? not that our media will do anything other than try to rescue him.

I've seen absolutely no sign of somebody like McCain (who clearly LOATHES and reviles this creature) stepping up. but why not a DRAFT somebody (RABB?) movement.

Bob Barr, heh?

Dick Armey? they're both nuts enough to entertain the thought; bet they have, but the money thing proves too daunting.

anybody else out there seem like a possibility?

Giuliani? he's completely in love with his current lot in life, or will he settle for Schumer's seat?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:11 PM
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1. I like McCain
I disagree with him on every issue I can think of, but I belive he honestly has the best interests of the American people at heart. McCain is a man of honor & integrity. For a Republican, he's not that bad.

The Republicans should have repudiated Bu$h for what they did to him in SC back in 2000. That was pathetic.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:12 PM
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2. I would love to see McCain try it again. f*ck *. nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:15 PM
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3. If * has a primary opponent ,cant he get $4,000 from an individual instead
of $2000?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:22 PM
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4. all that legal mumbojumbo is clearly meaningless.....
wallpaper on a fetid, stinking outhouse with no cess field: just a smelly, overfilled hole in the ground, and the new one they dug is shallower than the first.

McCain should fall on the sword once more, and do it for his country.

unfortunately, if he beat * in the primaries, I'd bet he'd win the election, too.

He's as right wing as they get, too. check his environmental record: zero from many groups, right?

that said, is it ARBB, or how many out there are WORSE than he?

can you think of anybody more dangerous that has a ghost of a chance?

anybody, of course, would have that advantage of having a functioning brain, and at least two major disadvantages: the aforementioned $$$$, and sinister presence of B00-sh's Brain lurking behind the curtain.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:28 PM
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5. Didn't Truman have a primary opponent in 48?
i thought so- could be wrong.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:30 PM
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7. well, off the top of my head, there was Stassen (ind), Thurmond.....
Dixiecrat, and maybe Henry Wallace again.

not sure about Wallace, but too lazy to check.

Greenberg specified an opponent within the strictures of same-party organization.

Stassen, IIRC, wasn't running as primary opponent.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:02 AM
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17. 1948 Primary Results
Democratic

Truman 1,375,452
Unpledged 653,509
Eisenhower 6,211
Wallace 4,416
Stassen 1,301

Republican

Warren 771,295
Unpledged 527,812
Stassen 449,713
Bender 324,029
Dewey 304,394
MacArthur 87,839
(7 more with over 1,000 votes)
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 02:13 AM
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20. OK. So?
Edited on Sat Nov-29-03 02:14 AM by buycitgo
Eisenhower a dem? didn't run at all then, and was in both primaries, as was Stassen.

Was Wallace running as a dem then? I know he didn't in 44.

also, let's see.....HST got ~1.4 million votes to what, twelve thousand.......ratio of over 100 to one....like I said, serious primary opposition.

bet those totals were for draft movements, surely for Ike, maybe Wallace, and who cares about Stassen?

thanks for the illuminating and interesting stats, though
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 02:22 AM
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21. My point was that
no, Truman did not have a primary opponent.

I also thought it interesting that Dewey won the Republian nomination without even being near the top for the Republicans.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 02:59 AM
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22. oh.....sorry, didn't mean to sound confrontational
I thought you were showing that HST DID have some opposition

missed the bit about Dewey, too.

that's pretty interesting in itself; did they have a brokered convention, or what?

that's the wingnuts' wet dream: to have it happen next year and have the she-devil flounce in, thus filling their already obscenely bloated warchest to overflowing.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:28 PM
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6. Is Harold Stassen still alive?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:57 PM
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12. The Hon. Gov. Stassen
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:35 PM
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8. "Will a brave republican step up and run against * in the primaries?"

When I stop laughing so hard i'll post.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:36 PM
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9. Why.......... did Rove die.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:49 PM
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10. I know it seems unlikely, but......
can you deny that EVERY single thing this creep has touched has turned BizarroMidas-like into fertilizer?

only the supine media has kept the somnolent public from charging 1600 like the villagers went after castle Frankenstein, demanding that our own Scheverdnadze (sp?) get the eff out of our house.

bad as the pugs may be, always remember, it's the media that allowed them to get close enough to steal the election in the first place, and fog the public's mind ever since the "recount" began, and ever since.

very little chance for anything but a swift decline into real fascism, as long the media remain complicit in every venal scheme this swinish junta attempts to sneak past the drooling couch potatoes who think that * is a nice, honorable, decent guy.

Are you listening, TOM DASCHLE??????

wake up....start acting like Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Dan Burton,
B-1 Bob, or any of the other screeching loons who were able to slobber their mendacious allegations over and over and over and over, paving the way for the coup2K.

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:54 PM
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11. Brave Republican HAS stepped up: Buchanan
BUSH TO FACE CHALLENGE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY Current rating: 0
by by Stacey Michael
Email: info (at) johnbuchanan.org(unverified!)
Phone: 305-535-9606 25 Nov 2003
The freelance Miami journalist who discovered the "Bush-Nazi files" at The National Archives plans to go head-on against the President over war profiteering and corporate privilege.
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – John Buchanan, who made history recently when he reported on the U.S. government documents that proved the long-rumored "Nazi past" of the Bush family, is gearing up to challenge President George W. Bush in the New Hampshire Republican primary on January 27.
At the same time, the “Bush-Nazi” story, first reported in the Gazette on October 10, continues to gain credence. On November 18, Presidential historian and George Bush biographer Herbert Parmet published a long essay on The History News Network (www.hnn.us) at George Mason University. “We need to do more than merely sift through the essence of (these) assertions, as troubling as they may be, to appreciate the value of (Buchanan’s) labors, and wonder at the contribution to public knowledge of (The New Hampshire Gazette),” wrote Parmet, author of George Bush: The Life of a Lone Star Yankee (1998).
Buchanan’s expose of Prescott Bush’s business deals with Nazis during World War II has also been noted in major newspapers around the world via Associated Press, including The Guardian, Hindustan Times. Moscow Times, Sydney Morning Herald, Jerusalem Post and U.S. newspapers including Newsday, Washington Times, San Francisco Chronicle and Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Fox News and CNN also reported the story.
Buchanan, 53, filed his Presidential candidacy with the New Hampshire Secretary of State on November 19. He will arrive in New Hampshire on December 5 to begin campaigning among Republican voters who oppose George W. Bush's policies, both overseas and at home.
“George W. Bush has violated his central campaign promise to the American people – to ‘restore honor and integrity to the White House,’ ” said Buchanan, who owned an advertising agency and corporate PR firm in Los Angeles before relocating to Miami in 1997 and returning to a full-time journalism career. “Bush has turned the Party of Lincoln into the Party of Halliburton. He has sacrificed the blood and tax dollars of the American people in Iraq simply to enrich his wealthy corporate patrons. It's time to take back America – starting by taking back the Republican Party. It has been stolen by war profiteers. The interests of the people have been sold out to the interests of the Fortune 500. Bush has turned the White House into a corporate whore house.”
Buchanan said he will hold the President accountable for the Iraq invasion, as a journalist, and based on fact, not opinion. “Everything the Bush administration said was a lie,” he said. “They defied the entire world to invade and occupy a nation that posed no threat to the United States. That violated everything this nation stands for, and cost us dearly in esteem around the world. Trust in America by the world community must be restored.”
Buchanan is modeling his campaign after another journalist named Buchanan –
Pat Buchanan, the conservative writer and activist who shocked the first President Bush by running a vigorous New Hampshire primary campaign in 1992 that ultimately won 37% of the vote.
“In 1992, Pat Buchanan exposed the central lie of the first Bush administration, which was his ‘read-my-lips, no-new-taxes’ promise,” Buchanan said. “That Buchanan reached out to Republicans who were angry at that President Bush for breaking that solemn promise. Like Pat Buchanan, I will reach out to Republicans who are angry at this President Bush for breaking his solemn promises. My campaign will give Republican voters in New Hampshire the opportunity to hold Bush accountable for those broken promises and the lies they were based on.”
Buchanan plans to run a grassroots, door-to-door campaign aimed at rank-and-file New Hampshire Republicans. “Since my articles appeared in the New Hampshire Gazette, I have heard from Republicans in New Hampshire and around the country who believe someone should stand up and tell the truth about George W. Bush by running as a Republican candidate for President. I will work as hard as I can to be that candidate. If nothing else, I will tell the truth. If the truth makes a difference to voters, then I will win the primary. If it doesn’t, then the American people will have lost, not me.”
Initial political reaction to Buchanan’s announcement seems to be he has about as much chance of beating the incumbent President in the nation’s all-important first primary as the Boston Red Sox ever have of winning a World Series – or even less.
“Somebody should challenge Bush in the Republican primary,” said David Gosselin, former state GOP chairman, whose Web site www.gogosselin.com is actively seeking an alternative candidate. “I have been looking for someone to challenge the President, a candidate who has national political experience and the associated stature to give George W. Bush a run for his money.” Gosselin does not believe Buchanan is that candidate.
Buchanan insists that as a “classic outsider” and respected journalist, he is the right candidate to upset Bush – but without the traditional political resume.
He is not, however, without significant national support.
John McConnell, the legendary 88-year-old founder of Earth Day, has endorsed Buchanan for President. “I think he is the kind of person who can change the world,” says McConnell, who is commemorating the 40th anniversary of his Minute for Peace on December 22 (see separate story). “He is honest and courageous and the grandson of a Methodist minister. He has a genuine vision for giving the government back to the people by taking it back from the war profiteers and corporate interests. To me, those are excellent credentials.”
Buchanan’s Presidential advisory board also includes Enver Masud, a retired Department of Energy civil servant and now CEO of The Wisdom Fund, an influential Muslim Web site (www.twf.org).
Don Waller, a co-founder of media reform Web site TakeBackTheMedia.com, also said he thinks Buchanan can get national attention. “His name has already been recognized on six continents as the reporter who discovered the Bush-Nazi documents and courageously reported the stories in (the Gazette),” Waller said. “He is remarkably tenacious, and he is on a mission to bring truth to this country. That’s not a bad mission to be on right now.”
Campaign Manager Jerry Arons can be reached at (305) 532-7182
Press Secretary Stacey Michael can be reached at (504) 329-5825
See also:
http://www.johnbuchanan.org
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:02 AM
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14. well, that's a start, but I was 'hoping' it was Pat, who, of course.......
ripped the underbelly of any possibility of RW oppo during the 2000 selection by highjacking Perot's party, then refusing to campaign in anything more than the most perfunctory manner.

had a real Perotista firebrand stepped forward, do you doubt at all that they'd been able to garner enough votes in ONE of the close states to swing the election to the actual winner? course, who knows what else they had up their sleeves at that point.

and does anyone doubt that Buchanan was acting at the behest of some behind the scenes stringpuller to make sure that what happened in 92 would never happen again.

how easy of a Pulitzer would it be for somebody to connect the campaigns of BOTH Buchanan AND Nader to plausibly deniable RNC operatives. anybody think it didn't happen? anybody wonder if it hasn't occurred to at least one journalist, and, not wanting to end up like Kangas, Casolaro, Hatfield, etal, decided it was a story not worth pursuing?

or has the aluminum foil completely chelated away all organic matter from whatever formerly functioning neruonic/synaptic connections I used to have.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:02 AM
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13. No serious challenge
The best thing that could happen is for some nut like Perot to come forward and run as an independent in the general election, which would siphon off some of the radical right vote.

Maybe the Libertarians could run a more charismatic nutcase this time around.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:40 AM
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15. exactly......there seem to be LOTS of RWers out there who are PO'd
PATRIOT I and II

gigantic government spending/waste

neo-isolationists

where IS Perot, BTW?

he must be going inSANE over the deficits, and the unbelievably loud sound all that sucking is making, as jobs flee for Mexico and parts farther south.

haven't heard anything at all from him. did they just completely scare him unto death, or what?


at least he could part with some of his Euros in support of a candidate who'd bend to his will, unlike sneaky old PB
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:53 AM
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16. Are you kidding?
Run against chimpy and end up like Wellstone or Hatfield? There would have to be something so damning on chimpy that even the media whores out there couldn't ignore for someone like McCain or Rudy to run. If that were to actually happen, it would be a signal that the powers that be in this country truly want a regime change and are allowing one of the little people to mount a challenge.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 01:12 AM
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18. I don't think you understand
the nature of party loyalty, especially in the Republican party. The sitting president is a Republican. He plans to run for a second term. To think that any other Republican would oppose him is beyond ludicrous.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 02:09 AM
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19. I do understand.......that's why I worded the header semi-carefully
Edited on Sat Nov-29-03 02:59 AM by buycitgo
A) Brave repug (oxymoron, at least when applied to the executive branch of this junta)

B) Use of words "nuts" and "megalomaniacs"; this allows for the possiblity of some wayward soul, taken leave of his senses, to get it into his dome that there's "good reason and enough" to oppose the
Boo-sh

not saying it's at all likely, and the plaintive, I thought at the time, nature of the header showed itself. maybe not.

but hope is the thing without feathers, right?
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