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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:02 PM
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Dean's excuse on opening records has been exposed as dishonest
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 03:03 PM by MIMStigator
Lots of us predicted this as soon as he said it.

``There are some that are left private . . . some of the kinds of things might be a letter from a constituent saying, `Dear governor, I am an HIV, AIDS victim, can you please help me?' Now, those kinds of letters do not belong in the public, and they're not. That's why some records are sealed,'' Dean said on MSNBC Monday. But the documents obtained by the Herald appear to include the information Dean says he wants protected.

<snip

Also readily available are letters written to and from Dean detailing personal struggles and medical conditions of his constituents.

They include correspondence with a couple about the care of their daughter with Down syndrome and Alzheimer's and a couple who detailed to Dean the medication they take.

Also made public: a 1991 letter to Sheri Arpin of St. Albans, who wrote Dean looking for help with her depression.

Arpin said she was shocked the letter was released, given Dean's claims that he's protecting those who wrote to him. ``I figured he read it, sent it through the shredding machine or in a personal file,'' she said yesterday. ``I wish he had. That was a time when I was extremely ill.''

Officials of the Dean campaign did not return calls for comment yesterday.

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/national.bg?articleid=117
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:04 PM
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1. Yikes!!!
Even tho he was governor, he was still technically a MD - doesn't doctor-patient confidentiality enter in?????
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:06 PM
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3. Probably not.
Becuase he was not acting as doctor. She sent the letters to a public official.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:06 PM
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2. He should just open them and get it over
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:07 PM
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6. That's what I say.
Just do it. The more this comes up, the worse it looks. I mean if he is so stubborn about this, he must really have something to hide.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:06 PM
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4. dupe
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:06 PM
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5. Hey, this comes in handy here too!
THREE FILTER TEST

In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem. One day an acquaintance met the great philosopher and said, "Do you know what I just heard about your friend?"

"Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything, I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Three Filter Test."

"Three filter?"

"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you're going to say. That's why I call it the three filter test.

"The first filter is TRUTH. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of GOODNESS. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of USEFULNESS. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?"
~Author Unknown~

And, by the way, have you considered changing your "avatar"? It doesn't reflect too positiviely on the Clark Corps to have people launching attacks like this in his behalf. The general can take care of himself quite well.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:08 PM
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7. The Boston Herald has proof he gave a phony reason
Can you dispute that?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:08 PM
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9. no, but *I* can put *you* on Ignore! eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:10 PM
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13. That is just pathetic.
I doubt Clark would appreciate this. It is a dupe, and it is flamebait. You are on ignore.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:12 PM
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14. Fine but why don't you defend Dean claiming it was to protect medical info
He made a claim and it has been debunked and he looks dishonest. Why not defend the claim?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:08 PM
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8. Great post, MikeHiggins eom
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:10 PM
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12. Clark Corps
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 03:10 PM by brainshrub
It doesn't reflect too positiviely on the Clark Corps to have people launching attacks like this in his behalf.

That's the first I've ever heard of the term "Clark Corps." I'm supporting Dean, but I like the term.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:09 PM
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10. So Much
for Skinners attempts at civility.

What does it profit the dems unless he can use it to force Bush to unlock HIS records?
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:09 PM
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11. The article has a SPECIFIC LETTER he released with private medical info
How can you say this is an unfair attack?
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donotpassgo Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:12 PM
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15. two words...SO WHAT?
n/t
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:14 PM
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17. So what that he said he didn't release medical info but it was a lie?
It sounded made up on the spot when he said it and now we have proof. He's not ready for prime time IMO
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:13 PM
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16. CLF Seeks Details of Dean Admin. Talks W/ Utilities 3/11/02
This isn't even a year ago.

There is more to Dean's sealed records than HIV patient's names.
Dean's PRESIDENTIAL campaign was seeded with money from Big Energy.

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CLF seeks details of Dean administration’s talks with utilities
March 11, 2002

(from the State section)
By SUSAN SMALLHEER Southern Vermont Bureau

MONTPELIER — The Conservation Law Foundation will file a freedom of information request with the Dean administration today to find out how many contacts it has had with Vermont utility executives over the pending sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

Mark Sinclair, senior attorney with the environmental group, said Monday that recent news reports about the financial contributions made by Vermont utility executives or board members to Gov. Howard Dean’s presidential campaign political action committee were “too much of a coincidence.”

Sinclair said the new offer from Entergy Nuclear of Jackson, Miss., last week wasn’t substantially better than the original bid, and doesn’t really address the serious concerns raised by the state earlier this winter about local control and other economic issues.

“The department didn’t get anything,” he said.

Sinclair compared it to the negotiations with Vice President Dick Cheney by energy companies that are now subject to an investigation by the General Accounting Office.

The Public Service Department last week came out in favor of the sale of Vermont Yankee to Entergy, saying that the energy giant had changed its deal to answer the state’s concerns.

Entergy has offered Yankee’s owners $180 million in cash, in exchange for a promise from Central Vermont Public Service Corp. and Green Mountain Power Corp. that they will purchase power for the next 10 years.

Sinclair said he expected that Dean would claim executive privilege but that, according to the law, the governor’s office would, as a compromise, have to produce a list of meetings with utility representatives, the dates and times they occurred and whether Yankee was on the agenda.

Sinclair said he had credible information from a source who said that the utilities were putting pressure on Dean to get the sale approved, but he admitted he had no absolute evidence that that was the case.

Christine Salembier, the commissioner of the Department of Public Service, said Monday that her department had been negotiating since January to come up with a settlement on the proposed sale. That agreement was announced last week.

Salembier said her staff had been meeting with representatives from Vermont Yankee, GMP and CVPS to come up with a settlement, but she said there was absolutely no pressure from the governor to support the sale.

“I think the governor has relied very much on our knowledge on our expertise and our investigation into the sale,” she said, noting she was not aware of any meetings with utility executives with Dean over the sale.

The sale of Yankee is currently pending before the Public Service Board, which must approve the sale. The Public Service Department acts as the public advocate in such cases. On Monday, during a status conference on the sale, attorneys for the Conservation Law Foundation and the New England Coalition on Nuclear Pollution said they needed additional time to delve into the settlement the state reached with Entergy last week.

Vermont Yankee, Entergy and the two utilities had opposed more time.

PSB Chairman Michael Dworkin asked Yankee’s attorneys whether the July 31 proposed closing date was absolute, and after several recesses and consultations on their cell phones, the answer was yes.

Victoria Brown, the attorney for Entergy, said that any change in the closing date would take a vote by the Entergy board of directors, and she warned that times had changed and that the price probably wouldn’t be the same.

Brown said she had consulted with Dan Keuter, the Entergy Nuclear vice president, during the break, and said the company needed a decision by mid June from the Public Service Board.

But Brown said since the deal was struck last summer, “the deal has become more marginal.”

An attorney for Vermont Yankee, Michael Richter from the Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray, said Yankee needed a minimum of 45 days before the closing date in July to complete the sale.

Contact Susan Smallheer at susan.smallheer@rutlandherald.com.
http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43924

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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:17 PM
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18. He doesn't look much like a straight talker anymore
n/t
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:17 PM
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19. SNORE, why aren't you busy asking why GWB doesn't release his?
And why didn't Clinton release his in 92? Reagan in 80? Carter in 76?



You do realize you're pushing right-wing spin?
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:18 PM
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21. How can we talk about W when our own frontrunner is caught in a lie
we can't say much about W now.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 03:18 PM
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Dean's Presidential Campaign Seeded W/Money From Energy Co.'s
Before Dean's Presidential Campaign became "People Powered" it was financed by Energy Companies. Without their money noone would have ever heard of Dean.

Remember, one year ago Dean's views on Affirmative Action, Social Security, Right To Sue HMO's was 180 degrees from where he is now.

Dean fought for Energy DeRegulation using a flawed model that had already failed in Quebec. He was only stopped because Vermont's Legislature stood up against him.

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Dean raises money from energy sources
February 27, 2002

By David Gram

ASSOCIATED PRESS

MONTPELIER — When Gov. Howard Dean wanted to raise money for a possible presidential bid, he followed the example of a former governor of Texas and called on his friends in the energy industry.

Nearly a fifth of the roughly $111,000 collected in its first months by Dean’s presidential political action committee, the Fund for a Healthy America, came from people with ties to Vermont’s electric utilities, according to a recent Federal Elections Commission filing.

It should be no surprise. Dean and utility executives have had a long and friendly relationship.

One donor who gave Dean’s PAC the maximum amount allowed — $5,000 — said he did so because he and his wife “agree with many of the things the fund is talking about — fiscal conservatism, education, health care.”

That donor is Robert Young of Proctor, who also is a top official at two utility companies that have had a lot of important business before state government during Dean’s nearly 11 years in office. Young is chief executive at Central Vermont Public Service Corp. and chairman of Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp.

A top Dean aide emphatically denied that the governor has ever let campaign contributions influence state policy. Kate O’Connor, secretary of civil and military affairs, used the word absurd to describe that notion more than a half-dozen times in a recent interview.

But the governor himself has said the donations buy access. “People who think they’re going to buy a contract or buy some influence are mistaken,” Dean famously said during the debate over a campaign finance reform bill in 1996. “But they do get access — there’s no question about that. ...They get me to return their phone calls.”

Advocates of public financing for campaigns complain about the message conveyed by the contributions.

“Administration actions going back some years betray an inappropriate coziness with the utilities,” said Paul Burns, executive director of the Vermont Public Service Research Group. “I am not prepared to say it’s a result of contributions given. But these contributions present the appearance of impropriety or appearance of influence that it probably would have been better to avoid.”

Dean’s close relationship with utility representatives dates back to the day he became governor in 1991. A lobbyist for Green Mountain Power and a GMP employee were among the first people Dean called in to help his transition.

A list of the Governor’s Council of Economic Advisers includes Green Mountain Power Corp.’s chairman, two company board members and a vice president, all of whom made donations to the Fund For A Healthy America. It also includes two longtime utility lobbyists.

Over the years, the governor has sided with the utilities on many of the most pressing issues, including the push for deregulation of the electric industry, and later backing away from that as a goal. Among other major decisions:

— After years of pushing for the companies to absorb the excess costs of their expensive contract with Hydro-Quebec, Dean’s Department of Public Service agreed to let ratepayers be billed for more than 90 percent of what those excess costs are expected to be in the coming years. The extra costs will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

— The department also agreed to allow the utilities to sell Vermont Yankee to a Pennsylvania company for a price that was expected to be $23.8 million by the time the deal closed. Shortly before the Public Service Board was to make a final decision on that sale, another company stepped in and offered more than seven times as much. That sale to Entergy Nuclear Corp. is currently before the board.

— After it became clear in the late 1990s that selling Vermont Yankee was a top goal of the utilities, the administration failed to heed warnings for more than two years that the money the nuclear plant was paying for emergency planning was much less than was needed. An administration official said there was concern about interfering with the sale.

“The Dean administration knew explicitly (about the worries about emergency preparedness) and deliberately didn’t do anything about it in order to help CV and GMP sell the plant,” said James Dumont, a lawyer for the New England Coalition On Nuclear Pollution. “They didn’t bite the hand that fed them.”

Dumont contended that while the campaign contributions have helped utility executives gain access to the governor, others have been cut out.

“There’s been a one-sided flow of information to the governor’s office about utility matters,” he said.

Tony Gierzynski, a political science professor at the University of Vermont and author of a book on campaign finance called “Money Rules,” said, “There’s a great imbalance in the system between those who have money and those who don’t.”


http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/43125.html


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