NY Times ignores Kucinich in its coverage of the debate

[cryofan]

"kucinich" not found in the NY Times story on the debate last night:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/politics/campaigns/10DEBA.html

What a surprise!

[giantrobot_2000]

1. Sorry

I hate to break it to you but...

[Tinoire]

10. Welcome

to my ignore list. 3 years and only 3 people on it. Congratulations.

[eileen_d]

2. It is a disgrace

especially considering he was so impressive in the debate according to lots of DUers. (I didn't see it myself)

I wish Kucinich would get more press.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

43. I saw the debates, Kucinich got the longest, loudest applause

of the entire evening. He did a masterful job at keeping the issues on the table despite the best efforts of the actors, er, moderators, to ignore everything except for horse race questions.

Kucinich does *very* well in the debate format, and he's so smart and knowledable he can keep on his feet under a variety of circumstances.

[ALoeppert]

57. 2 quicktime clips

Damn, it was good to see Kucinich burn Kopel for asking irrelevant questions...

For any that missed it, I've created two clips in Quicktime format. Actually, they are mpeg-4 encoded so you may be able to view them without quicktime, but I don't know about that. If you don't have quicktime installed (or have an old version that doesn't play mpeg4) you can download the free player from apple.

This clip is about 15 minutes into the debate and only one question was being posed to all candidates... "What do you think about the Gore endorsement of Dean?"

http://loeppert.net/Govt/Clips/KucinichMediaBurn1.m.mov


The question of money and poll standing was posed to Sharpton, Kucinich and Braun.

http://loeppert.net/Govt/Clips/KucinichMediaBurn2.m.mov

Anthony Loeppert

PS. The slightly choppy audio was due to a background computation during video capture, sorry about that.

[Cronus Protagonist]

61. Thank you thank you!

I appreciate these clips. You made my day.

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[FDRrocks]

3. Cause he might pose a threat to the bullshit system we live in.

Forbid. A good candidate.

[DeathvadeR]

4. ahh Democracys preliminary to the primary

Where the media narrows your candidates down for you. Because the average American brain just can't handle that many choices.

[pruner]

5. the AP includes him…

The nine candidates stood at wooden podiums arranged in a semicircle on the stage of a theater on the University of New Hampshire campus. Some Democrats have suggested that the debates have been unwieldy and should be limited to the major candidates. One of the long-shot candidates, Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, took exception to Koppel's questions and used them to challenge the political status quo.

"I want the American people to see where media takes politics in this country," Kucinich said to cheers from the crowd. "We start talking about endorsements, now we're talking about polls and then talking about money. When you do that you don't have to talk about what's important to the American people."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/09/politics0147EST0426.DTL

[cryofan]

6. The NY Times acts as a gatekeeper to the presidency

....arrogant bastards need to be taken down a notch or 10.

[PurityOfEssence]

7. Morality aside, that's just hideously bad journalism

By the definition of what is a story, that which elicits the greatest response, strays from the norm in a provocative way and literally stops a formal event cold with a collective gasp IS A STORY. Regardless of his chances or any other qualifier of his "worth", his deliberate accusations against the guilty, immoral Koppel and the complicit press, and his pointed accusation of the Bush Administrations attempt to control Iraq's Oil were electrifying. These were veritable bombs being thrown, and they were done with control, mastery and directness.

That was simply THE story of the night. Not to mention this at all is a lie against the essence of journalism.

I guess it somehow wasn't "fit to print".

Damn that liberal media.

[cryofan]

9. THey mentioned EVERY OTHER candidate but Kucinich...

....the Times acts as a signalman to the other elite media outfits what is the "politically correct" slant on political matters.....They are the very essence of the evil corporate media, IMHO.

[DemBones DemBones]

17. Well put, POE! We should write letters to the editor about this

outrage.

[BootinUp]

8. I thought Kucinich was very impressive tonight

A little confession here...DK was the first candidate who got my attention, it was that story about the battle with Cleveland power company that cost him his job as mayor. If he was a stronger candidate and a little stronger on foreign policy stuff I would vote for him in a second.

All the candidates did very well, even Kerry who usually puts me to sleep.

[creativelcro]

12. If Kucinich had money, he would be Perot

[goodhue]

51. Kucinich has money

He has raised over 4.5 million to date. That is well over ten times more than Sharpton and Mosley Braun. Yet the mainstream media insists on categorizing him as "vanity." Although his 4.5 million is less than raised by say Edwards or Dean, it is much more than the other two so-called "vanity" candidates and certainly makes him viable if the media would provide coverage. But the polls/coverage Catch-22 allows the media to ignore a very real grassroots phenomena. Dennis will be in the race until at least the convention. If you like what you hear from him, please consider helping the cause . . .

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

[cryofan]

56. But what about the "$750K in the bank" remark by Koppel?

?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

62. Kopphole was just reading his lines

He's not even a good actor, really.

[goodhue]

63. what about it?

It appears true as of Oct 15. But so what? I guess Ted thinks 3/4 million is chump change but certainly it isn't to Dennis.

Can't say that the cash on hand figure is current since Dennis has raised $1.1 million since then. A good resource is open secrets . . .

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/index.asp

They have the numbers current as of Oct 15. The numbers there show $3.4 million raised by DK with $785K on hand. The $4.5 million figure is from the campaign and reflects approx fundraising to date I believe.

Again it is all relative, whether talking total receipts or cash on hand. Dennis clearly has less money than the "established" candidates but has much more than Sharpton and Mosley-Braun. My point is that lumping Dennis with Al & Carol in terms of fundraising is a disservice to the millions DK has in fact raised.

Again, best thing to do is help DK out by giving him more . . .
https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

And remember matching funds will be infusing DK with millions more come January!

[jsw_81]

11. Kucinich is a joke

Major newspapers don't usually waste much ink on joke candidates. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

[DemBones DemBones]

15. YOU think Kucinich is a joke, his supporters certainly don't.

The fact is that he is a legitimate candidate for the Democratic nomination and campaigning as hard as anyone else. He was very strong in tonight's debate, criticizing the media (including the debate moderators) for their focus on endorsements, polls, and money raised, while not asking questions about issues, which the people want to hear.

Kucinich was right tonight, as he always is. He's the only candidate who voted against both the war and the Patriot Act. He's the only one who pledges to make support of Roe v. Wade a litmus test for his nominees to the Supreme Court and the only one to promise to seek federal recognition of gay marriage.

I don't think his plans to bring the troops home, set up single-payer universal health care through opening Medicare to all Americans, repeal NAFTA and WTO and replace them withbilateral fair trade treaties, guarantee full Social Security retirement benefits at 65, and repeal the Patriot Act are jokes. I think they are great ideas that all Dems should be supporting. And he has many more great ideas.

Dennis Kucinich also has a proven history of keeping promise she makes to the voters.

[jsw_81]

55. His supporters are delusional and clueless about our political system

Dennis Kucinich is just an annoying fringe candidate with no money, no support, and bizarre ideas for how he would "govern" the country (e.g. Department of Peace). Plus he's an obscure member of the House, and people like that don't usually get much coverage unless they're involved in a scandal (Janklow) or in the leadership (Gephardt). Sorry folks, but that's just the way it is.

[cryofan]

58. Marginal? Kucinich wants Universal Healthcare...so do 70% of Americans

Whereas, Bush and Dean do NOT have plans for universal healthcare. Now who has marginal and bizarre ideas?

[gaijintx]

59. Sounds familiar...

...didn't they say that when some bumpkin governor from Arkansas decided to run for President, too? Guess I'm delusional, as well, because I don't find "bizarre ideas" like universal healthcare, corporate accountability, education for all children, and stronger unions all that bizarre.

[redqueen]

60. Hi gaijintx!

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[LWolf]

67. Bizarre ideas!

Don't forget the idea that American people should really participate in the democratic process. Starting with listening to substantive debates between candidates so that they can make an educated choice. And of course, knowing that their vote will actually count for the person they voted for.

Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[eileen_d]

19. No way DK's a joke

Whether you think he's a realistic choice for president or not... he's a fighting Democrat, and I always appreciate when he's heard in the media. That he's not is a great disappointment.

[minkyboodle]

22. you may think he is a joke

but there is no way to deny that he had the most exciting and well recieved moment of the debate when he took Koppel to task on his questioning. I can guarantee that those coming out of the debate gave Dennis a lot more "ink" than the the NYTimes did. Go Dennis Go!!!
Scott
BTW Dennis Ain't no Joke

[DeathvadeR]

54. That was awsome wasn't it?

Teddie was like ahhhhhh ahhhhhh

[Julien Sorel]

25. Why do you think he's a joke?

At least in part, it's because he gets ignored.

[Name removed]

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[AnAmerican]

30. Your opinion is noted

And given it's due worth. Which is approximately the worth of a US soldiers life under bushco.....none.

http://www.kucinich.us/dk.html

[robsul82]

13. He DID take on the media, after all.

He fought the law, and guess what? The law wins all the time.

Later.

RJS

[cryofan]

14. Just how did he "fight the law", as you put it?

?

[robsul82]

16. It's not an insult...

...in fact, I thought his performance in the debate tonight inspiring. Like it or not, the media IS the law today. Everybody gets their news off that thar tee-vee, bro. And there DK was, yelling about how much BS it was. Hence, "fighting the law."

Later.

RJS

[cryofan]

18. I just want to develop and clarify this meme

Hypothesis 1: The media IS the enemy of the people.

Hypothesis 2: Whosoever with power is willing to fight the media is our friend.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

21. Let me add to that

Hypothesis 3: The media will marginalize and ignore those that pose a threat to their system of dominance.

TWL

[cryofan]

23. Exactly! Exactly! The progressive agenda will lead us to Europe...

.....and over there, the people have a lot more power and the wealthy have less. Just my impression. The American wealthy and upper class and corporate elite do not want to pay for the medical care of the American poor and middle class, or the American minorities.....so they marginalize true mavericks like Kucinich, and make mavericks out of Rockefeller Republicrats...who shall remain unnamed...

[reknewcomer]

32. In Europe the people have a lot more power

Then why are they not allowed to arm themselves against muggers, rapists and murderers?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

46. Because they're not as paranoid

as American gun fanatics are.

I lived in Japan, where civilians are forbidden to own guns. I speak Japanese and have followed their media for 25 years, and I have NEVER heard Japanese people express a wish for guns for protection.

[arcane1]

20. Kucinich himself told us why, tonight, during the debate

he said that he talks about things that make the media uncomfortable, and so they ignore him and go to fluff instead

DK even held up a copy of the NY Times and referenced an article in there!

[Melodybe]

24. I like Kucinich and I think that he is definitely being treated unfairly.

I think that is a real shame b/c he does have so many good and important things to say.

[BackDoorMan]

27. Check out Mike Malloy's interview with Dennis Kucinich this past evening.

http://homepage.mac.com/benburch/WRIndex1.html

[ThirdWheelLegend]

28. listening to it now..

You can get entire Malloy shows at http://www.whiterosesociety.org

Great archives of liberal shows


oh and GOOOOO DENNIS!!!

TWL

[Myra]

29. Yup, can't let a true progressive sneak thru.

Yet Kucinich clearly was one of the best on stage today.
But true progressives are invisible to media whores.

[MadHound]

31. True progressive, hell, try a true Democrat

I swear, if FDR ran today he would be ignored and dismissed as a crank candidate. That is how low the Democratic party and the media have fallen to. DK is the ONLY TRUE Democratic candidate not beholden to the corporate powers, and that scares them. Thus he is ignored and belittled as a crank candidate.

I really hope he decideds to hell with it and runs as a Green. I think that a Green campaign for him would garner the magic 5% number. It is really sad that a person has to go to a completely different party to find the ideals that the Democratic party once stood for.

[Myra]

33. You're right MadHound.

And as they pretend Kucinich doesn't exist, they're trying to negate any evidence that FDR existed: his social programs, his face on the dime, his great society legacy.

[JohnKleeb]

34. Could this piss me off any more

:argh:
See we arent crazy, when we suggest something is fishy.

[drfemoe]

35. That's a pity ..

neither are CMB or Gephardt.

It's a cheat to all three.

[Rowdyboy]

36. I was REALLY angry at Kucinich for inviting Nader to the debate

However, his behavior towards Koppel more than made up for it. I was proud of him.

[LWolf]

37. It's not a surprise.

It is shameful.
It is a travesty.

But it's not a surprise.

[Karmadillo]

38. The manufacture of consent continues

That's why centrists are portrayed as progressives in order to give the appearance of a genuine debate taking place in the US. The real thing is much too dangerous.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Chomsky/Herman's brilliant The Manufacture of Consent, here's the link to Amazon. By far the best read for anyone who labors under the delusion the United States media is fair and balanced.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375714499/103-0971689-2781419?v=glance

Book Description
In this pathbreaking work, now with a new introduction, Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky show that, contrary to the usual image of the news media as cantankerous, obstinate, and ubiquitous in their search for truth and defense of justice, in their actual practice they defend the economic, social, and political agendas of the privileged groups that dominate domestic society, the state, and the global order.

Based on a series of case studies—including the media’s dichotomous treatment of “worthy” versus “unworthy” victims, “legitimizing” and “meaningless” Third World elections, and devastating critiques of media coverage of the U.S. wars against Indochina—Herman and Chomsky draw on decades of criticism and research to propose a Propaganda Model to explain the media’s behavior and performance. Their new introduction updates the Propaganda Model and the earlier case studies, and it discusses several other applications. These include the manner in which the media covered the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement and subsequent Mexican financial meltdown of 1994-1995, the media’s handling of the protests against the World Trade Organization, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund in 1999 and 2000, and the media’s treatment of the chemical industry and its regulation. What emerges from this work is a powerful assessment of how propagandistic the U.S. mass media are, how they systematically fail to live up to their self-image as providers of the kind of information that people need to make sense of the world, and how we can understand their function in a radically new way.

[cryofan]

39. I used to think that school of thought was paranoid...

....but Chomsky, Parenti, Zinn, et al., are completely correct.

[Ficus]

40. give me a god damn break

If there's anyone who deserves coverage after THAT debate, it's Dennis Kucinich. I guess he may have rubbed the Times the wrong way for talking about how he gets ignored. Or would they have covered him anyways?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

47. Actually, the NYT

routinely ignores Kucinich. They can write articles about "the candidates'" plans for Iraq or for health care, and act as if there are only four people running.

They do this so often that it has to be deliberate.

[goodhue]

52. NYT never covers Dennis

Except once in their style section. Seriously. They have ingored him consistently for six months. Nothing new here.

[bobthedrummer]

41. Yet he is one of the few voices of the people, not the corporations

in Washington. Where's Howard Dean? lol

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

42. They wouldn't even show his NAME during the debates!

The candidates names were quickly presented at the bottom of the screen - except for Dennis' which took longer to show up and was turned off quicker - don't believe me? Watch the debates again carefully.

See how well Dennis Kucinich did? See how much applause he got and enthusiasm the audience showed towards him?

Media people - including I believe a NYT writer - have admitted they are playing down Dennis Kucinich because they don't like him. They are deciding (as "journalists") that they should favor some candidates over others, instead of presenting the fact and letting the people decide.

Kucinich ripped them a new one at the debate too.

[Desertrose]

44. But now its "out there" and people will notice more & more

what Dennis said...about how the media does what it does...it chooses the candidates....slants the news and basically just LIES to us by what and how it prints/televises.

It has been stated and now hopefully the media is a bit more on the defensive.

TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!

GO DENNIS!!
:yourock:

Peace & hope
DR

[John_H]

45. This is an abomination.

I don't support Kucinich's candidacy, but if this doesn't prove the media is biased, what does?

[AngryAmish]

48. Of course the media is biased

The NY Times will do anything to protect their own power. Do you see them covering the same news as in Indymedia, et al.? Of course not. They spoonfeed the sheeple the spin they need to protect their own interests.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

49. they've admitted to ignoring DK because they think he's "dangerous"

There was a thread in GD not long ago that quoted some heavy hitter "journalist" types on how they didn't want to give any press to Kucinich because they didn't like his ideas, and that he would be "dangerous".

Instead the corporate media desperatly wants Dean, Kerry, and Clark to "out centrist" each other, and attack each other in public.

As usual, whenever he gets a chance, DK bitch slaps the media whores right across the face.

[goodhue]

50. NYT & WP continue DK blackout

Adam Nagourney of the NYT apparently took the ignore Kucinich pill six months ago. He literally nevers mentions Kucinich except in the occassional last paragraph fringe candidate kissoff. The Washington Post is almost as bad. The most substantive coverage of DK in the NYT and WP were stories in NYT Style section re house parties and in WP Food section re DK's vegan diet. But as to coverage of DK's serious platform they avoid that like the plague lest people take DK seriously. Tragic.

[LWolf]

64. Perhaps they need some Kucitizens

to stand outside their offices with signs, etc., protesting the "blackout" and encouraging a boycott. I don't think they have to worry about a boycott, but shining a public light on their practices in regards to candidate coverage might net some interesting results.

[redqueen]

53. Typical

Anything to ensure the continuation of the status quo.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

65. kick

[goodhue]

66. kick n/t