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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:39 PM
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Newsweek poll has Clark leading all democrats against *

Bush vs Clark - 49% to 43%
Bush vs Dean - 49% to 42%
Bush vs Lieberman - 51% to 42%

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3703722&p1=0
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:43 PM
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1. By One (Statistically Insignificant) Point
Clark also lost ground against George W. Bush in the Newsweek poll. Governor Howard Dean of Vermont gained.

General Clark has decided not to opt out of the federal matching funds system, so his campaign will be limited during the crucial spring months as George W. Bush's tens of millions go toward an unanswered ad blitz.
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catherineD Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:46 PM
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3. But he won't have to spend millions explaining he's not wimpy on Defense
Dean's ads would be tied up with him countering ads from the Repubs that say he's soft on defense. They'd also probably make hay with Dean's suddenly switching from an apparent liberal candidate in the primaries to a moderate one in the general election. And then there will no doubt be some kind of Willie Horton redux that comes out of opening his Vt. records after the primaries.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:51 PM
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4. Sweet CatherineD...
Don't you remember what the Republicans did to Max Cleland?

This is politics. Fair is for college debating societies. (Maybe.) Wesley Clark will be the wife beater who drinks too much and nearly started World War III with the Russians. Or some such nonsense. If that's all anyone hears, that's all anyone will believe.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:00 PM
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10. Max Cleland does not equal Wes Clark.
It's a good analogy, but it's just not the same thing. And given the wisdom gained after witnessing what happened to Max Cleland, the Clark campaign can plan a better, pre-emptive strategy.

It's not over for Wes Clark. Let's see what happens after votes are cast.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:05 PM
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13. Strategy, Yes
the Clark campaign can plan a better, pre-emptive strategy

But what about the ability to execute that strategy?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:09 PM
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22. With what money?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:54 PM
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8. No, he'll have to spend millions
proving that he's not the Manchurian Candidate ......


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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:41 PM
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17. It is not quite so statistically insignificant
when there are multiple polls all showing Clark doing a few points better against Bush, despite having lower name recognition. Not that Dean even has great name recognition yet; many people are not paying attention (yet).
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:18 PM
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30. Name ID
Dean is much more well-known than Clark, yet Clark outpolls him among the general electorate.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:23 PM
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33. Depends if they used General Clark,
In which case people are responding to the Geaneral and not the Clark. They should poll Wes Clark not General Wes Clark or General Clark.
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mjv135 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:22 PM
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32. hhmmmmmmm
So because General Claark didn't LIE about campaign financing, he should lose?
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:44 PM
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2. Dean is close.
Dean is very close to Clark
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:51 PM
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5. I notice that Clark has the lowest unfavorables, that's good news!
Among the Democratic hopefuls, Lieberman rates best with registered voters: 43 percent say they have a favorable opinion of him (36 percent unfavorable). Thirty-nine percent say they have a favorable opinion of Clark (27 percent unfavorable); 38 percent say they have a favorable opinion of Dean (31 percent unfavorable); 35 percent say they have a favorable opinion of Gephardt (37 percent unfavorable); 33 percent have a favorable opinion of Kerry (34 percent unfavorable) and 27 percent have a favorable opinion of Edwards (25 percent unfavorable).

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031213/nysa010_1.html
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:52 PM
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6. Meet Up numbers
Dean 156,500

clark 49,900

Dean has more than three times the committed supporters, writing letters, going door to door, setting up offices in states, contributing to his campaign fund, manning phone banks and soon to be voting.

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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:04 PM
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11. Statistically insignificant numbers in comparison to the total...
electorate...
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:04 PM
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12. And androids, too.

Don't forget the androids.

Geez, whatever you do, don't forget the androids.

Did I mentions androids yet?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:37 PM
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35. I'm signed up for Dean meetups
but I don't support him. I signed up when I was interested in him as my choice. I'm sure there are many others like me.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:53 PM
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7. Good news for all of our dems
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 04:56 PM by CMT
Clark and Dean are 6,7 points down respectively. Lieberman is under 10-points.

The thing which should be pointed out is Dean has been gaining favor with voters as time has gone by. The title of the article is "Dean Rising" and it should be pointed out that Clark shortly after he joined the race was ahead of Bush by 3-points.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:54 PM
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9. And this without all the media exposure
Dean has gotten. Clark is the strongest IMO - keeping to campaign limits can work both ways. "Big Money Bush" could be a liability with all the corp. payoffs going on - as long as they are covered, that is.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:11 PM
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14. Remarkable, considering no media exposure to...
speak of.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:14 PM
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15. I'm very suspicious of polls
Although the one thing that seems to be showing in recent polls is that both Lieberman ( :puke: ) and Clark have the most name recognition of all the Democratic canidates. That may be benificial- to Clark. Lieberman should drop out, IMHO, as he is just a distraction at this point...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:39 PM
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16. This just shows that we have many strong candidates
I hope that whoever wins the nomination will hold out a hand of friendship to his/her colleagues so that all Democrats can work together to defeat Bush and save our country.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:50 PM
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18. This poll is all good for Dean (eom)



:dem:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:54 PM
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19. Clark has campaigned for 3 months, Dean for 2 years.
Dean has spent over 10 million more than Clark, Dean has gotten much more media coverage and has had the aura of frontrunner. Dean has elements of organized labor working on his campaign. The fact that Clark is running as well or better than Dean against Bush is amazing under the circumstances. Given a little more time and exposure, Clark is the best man to take out Bush, period.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:04 PM
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20. Interesting
From a dollars standpoint, you're right. It shouldn't be that close. :shrug:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:25 PM
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34. Maybe Clark is riding Dean's coattails. (n/t)
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:06 PM
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21. The trends: Dean and Lieberman up, Clark down
Dean at 24, up from 16 one month ago.

Lieberman at 12, up from 8 one month ago.

Claqrk at 12, down from 15 one month ago.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:16 PM
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23. Hm, too bad I don't trust media polls.
I'd like to believe this one but I'm so tired of propaganda.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:17 PM
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24. Dupe. Try reading beyond page 1 before you post .
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 08:17 PM by Padraig18
:eyes:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:20 PM
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25. Im very happy Clark isnt leading yet
Just look at all the attacks on Dean we'd be getting if we were frontrunning right now. Dean is doing our scouting for us. When we get closer to voting day , thats when we take over, the attackers will be burnt out.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:28 PM
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26. leading in national polls isn't all that makes Dean the frontrunner…
he holds double-digit leads in the first two primary states and leads in the majority of other states that have been polled

he was endorsed by 2 of the largest & most politically active unions in the country

he has more supporters than any other candidate

he has more contributors than any other candidate

he has raised considerably more money than any other candidate

he was endorsed by the rightful heir to the presidency

etc.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:42 PM
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27. Isn't Newsweek owned by Fox News? Ha Ha.
We know Newsweek has a definite agenda.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 02:39 PM
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28. Newsweek is not owned by Fox
It's owned by the Washington Post
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:15 PM
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29. statistically small but still good news
the poo pooers would sind a different song if the numbers ran for their guy.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:20 PM
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31. I'm surprised they didn't use CNN's poll

http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/6110.html

Now why do you think that is? Are the media's polls not reliable :shrug:
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