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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:50 PM
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Official Guy James Show thread 3 to 6pm eastern
www.theguyjamesshow "Listen Live" at 3pm eastern time till six. Please call from 3:15 to 6 at 1-888-602-7500 or 7501, 7502, 7503,7504. We're going to do the 10 worst screw ups of the year for the Repubs and Bush. Please call and make this a great show.

Guy
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:56 PM
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1. hey guy
looking foward to it :-)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:57 PM
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2. standing by...
i sure do hope you had that meeting with the station....

link for live webcast:

http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/asxfiles-live/njwinlive7534.asx
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:04 PM
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5. OMG! The listen live link shows that it's working!
My beautiful wife doesn't have speakers so I'm just going by signal...

Bitchin'. I'll trying calling in later.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:59 PM
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3. Good luck with the obviously hostile station!
Like I said, they're on my shit list.
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:01 PM
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4. Good Luck!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:04 PM
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6. sweet! tuning in...
I'm usually not up early enough for Guy :)


:yourock:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:07 PM
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7. well, he's coming on............
at 10 after though ??? used to be 5 after, i thought...

GO GUY!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:09 PM
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8. Major step. Guy is actually on
Loud 'n clear.

AND no "I Hate Republicans" blowing the speakers too! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:09 PM
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9. Smooth so far!
Nice intro and monologue!
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TecnoCrat Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:12 PM
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10. Wow.
This is the first time I've ever been able to listen to this, due to various reasons.

This is fantastic! Best thing I've heard all week. The truth, a rare thing these days.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:13 PM
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11. Finally got the stream.
Hi everybody. Listening with you. Go GUY!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:29 PM
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12. Hi to everyone. Sounding really good this week.
First show of the election year.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:30 PM
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14. Hi JudiLyn
Happy New Year
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:43 PM
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20. Happy New Year, Mika
Great to see you're here!

Sounds like there have only been local calls so far, with a Republican guy trying to pull a fast one in the last one. Just like at D.U., right?

I don't think you've been on board when they've had calls from a listener in England. Someone on the board says he's a film producer and working on a project currently. He used to refer to himself as the "London Bureau" in his calls.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:49 PM
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27. I think I've heard the "London Bureau" before
Ya never know what to expect when encountering a S Floridian. :crazy: ;-)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:30 PM
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13. First two callers - on the money!
There are Dems in Naples? :evilgrin:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:33 PM
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15. Just walked in the door
Edited on Sat Jan-03-04 03:44 PM by proud patriot
Listening now
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:35 PM
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16. bribing too! (on the medicare bill)

republicans who once trumpeted 'the rule of law' have tossed all honor aside to ram their shit through... at any cost
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:39 PM
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17. read him this.......................
Bush drug proposal enrages veterans
Plan may alienate military retirees by imposing higher fees for prescriptions

By DALE EISMAN
Copyright 2004 The Virginian-Pilot

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is considering dramatic increases in the fees military retirees pay for prescription drugs, a step that would roll back a benefit extended 33 months ago and risk alienating an important Republican constituency at the dawn of the 2004 campaign season.

Pentagon budget documents indicate that retirees may be asked to pay $10 -- up from $3 -- for each 90-day generic prescription filled by mail through Tricare, the military's health insurance program. Tricare's current $9 co-pay for a three-month supply of each brand-name drug would jump to $20.

The proposal also would impose charges for drugs the retirees now receive free at military hospitals and clinics. There would be a $10 fee for each generic prescription and a $20 charge for brand-name drugs dispensed at those facilities.

A Pentagon spokesman declined Wednesday to comment on the drug plan, calling it "pre-decisional." But word of the proposal was being spread at the speed of light by veterans service organizations, who were urging their thousands of members to send calls and letters of protest to the White House and members of Congress.

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:45 PM
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21. He's reading that now nostamj
:-)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:46 PM
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22. i'm listening!

rapid response team!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:46 PM
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23. Nice work! n/t
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:40 PM
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18. Veteran'sbenefits increase???
The misguided veteran on the phone currently must not realize that his cost of living increase is not exactly an increase in benefits.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:43 PM
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19. That is what I said to myself too
Add to that, their co pay for meds is going up too.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:47 PM
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24. Tuned in
in time to catch the last 2/3 of the show.

It sounds great. What'd I miss?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:49 PM
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26. he's been doing the top ten bush/repub outrages
i think you missed the first three...

(and a slightly wacked out vet who thinks his benefits have been increased by *)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:57 PM
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28. Huh?
Benefits have been increased?

Makes me wonder what he is a veteran of.

Halliburton?
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:49 PM
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25. reducing veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly $25 B
Edited on Sat Jan-03-04 03:52 PM by Frank_Person
The Republican majority of the House Budget Committee approved a federal budget reducing funding for veterans health care and benefit programs by nearly $25 billion. The proposed budget cut $844 million from the Presidents request for veterans health care next year. Over a ten-year period the GOP is proposing a cut of $9.7 billion in veterans health carean average of more than $900 million less than the President has proposed per year. For other veterans benefits, including cash payments to veterans disabled by military service, the Republican budget calls for a $463 million cut during the next year and a $15 billion cut in spending from current levels during the next ten years. The House Budget Committee is chaired by Congressman Jim Nussle (R-IA)...

http://www.veterans.house.gov/democratic/press/108th/3-13-03budget.htm

-more here-

http://www.weeklydig.com/dig/content/3165.aspx
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:26 PM
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38. Bush Regime slashes veteran's benefits
http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=465_0_2_0_C

Bush administration slashes veteran's benefits

Consider the following:

* With 130,000 soldiers still in the heat of battle in Iraq and more fighting and dying in Afghanistan, the Bush administration sought this year to cut $75 a month from the "imminent danger" pay added to soldiers' paychecks when in battle zones. The administration sought to cut by $150 a month the family separation allowance offered to those same soldiers and others who serve overseas away from their families. Although they were termed "wasteful and unnecessary" by the White House, Congress blocked those cuts this year, largely because of Democratic votes.
* This year's White House budget for Veterans Affairs cut $3 billion from VA hospitals-despite 9,000 casualties in Iraq and as aging Vietnam veterans demand more care. VA spending today averages $2,800 less per patient than nine years ago.
* The administration also proposed levying a $250 annual charge on all Priority 8 veterans-those with "non-service-related illnesses"-who seek treatment at VA facilities, and seeks to close VA hospitals to Priority 8 veterans who earn more than $26,000 a year.
* Until protests led to a policy change, the Bush administration also was charging injured GIs from Iraq $8 a day for food when they arrived for medical treatment at the Fort Stewart, Georgia, base where most injured are treated.
* In mid-October, the Pentagon, at the request of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, announced plans to shutter 19 commissaries-military-run stores that offer discounted food and merchandise that helps low-paid enlisted troops and their families get by-along with the possiblility of closing 19 more.
* At the same time, the Pentagon also announced it was trying to determine whether to shutter 58 military-run schools for soldiers' children at 14 military installations.
* The White House is seeking to block a federal judge's award of damages to a group of servicemen who sued the Iraqi government for torture during the 1991 Gulf War. The White House claims the money, to come from Iraqi assets confiscated by the United States, is needed for that country's reconstruction.
* The administration beat back a bipartisan attempt in Congress to add $1.3 billion for VA hospitals to Bush's request of $87 billion for war and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan.
* In perhaps its most dangerous policy, the White House is refusing to provide more than 40,000 active-duty troops in Iraq with Kevlar body armor, leaving it up to them and their families to buy this life-saving equipment. This last bit of penny-pinching prompted Pentagon critic and Vietnam veteran Col. David Hackworth to point to "the cost of the extraordinary security" during Bush's recent trip to Asia, which he noted grimly "would cover a vest for every soldier" in Iraq.

Woody Powell, executive director of Veterans for Peace and a veteran of the Korean War, says these White House efforts should be viewed as attacks against American soldiers. "I don't think they see it as attacking them," he says. "They see it as saving money. But it's the wrong thing to be cutting, just like cutting education is a bad thing."

Increasingly, veterans, troops and their families are getting angry. Army Times, a newspaper widely read in military circles, ran a June 30 editorial saying: "President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap and getting cheaper by the day, judging by the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately." Ronald Conley, commander of the conservative American Legion, also recently blasted the White House for VA budget cuts and surcharges, saying: "This is a raw deal for veterans no matter how you cut it. The administration is sending a message that these vets are not a priority at all."
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:59 PM
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29. Posted on Hannity's message board...
"People may be interested in knowing there is a Saturday talk show that streams nationally from 3-6 eastern time. It's at www.TheGuyJamesShow.com. I'm listening to it now, they have primarily left wing callers. Maybe some Hannitized "darths" could call in and we could hear a debate."

http://www.hannity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19165
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:10 PM
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31. That would be choice.

~sneer~
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:23 PM
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36. Hannitized "darths"???
LOL!!!!

About this "kennedy democrat", I was on to him from the start. :) Good going, Guy!!! :)
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:28 PM
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39. I hope they do
Guy can chew them up and spit them out without even breaking a sweat.

Is Hannitized in some way related to lobotomized? :shrug:

Nice to hear you today. :hi:
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:30 PM
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41. Hammity "Man on the Street"
Hammity does a "man on the street" segment where he shows pictures of Dubya, Slick Dick, Rice and Powell. Only about 1 or 2 of 10 can identify
Cheney and some can't even pick out the Selected Pres. Hammity, and Limpbaugh before him, must have figured out the depth of ignorance and
now realize they can say anything.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:04 PM
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30. how about some calls DU'ers?
Love to hear from you

Guy
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:23 PM
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35. I got it for a coup[le of minutes on Windows Media
when I dialed the show's name in. Then when I try to get it off DU, with winamp,I can't. And yes winamp is on my computer.

I HATE THIS S***!!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:13 PM
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32. Interesting numbers in that poll.
:kick:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:18 PM
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33. Oh, a Kennedy Democrat who wants to take kicks at liberals.
Hmmmmm.
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:24 PM
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37. Kennedy Demo and the Easter Bunny
He is no Democrat, Carl is another Republican unashamed to spew
lies and propaganda.
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:19 PM
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34. Gay Marriage will be the "60's Long Hair" issue someday.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:28 PM
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40. Okay, Guy needs callers.
What do I have to talk about today?

I've spent the last 2 weeks on vacation; deliberately not following news, etc. I don't feel up to date! What do you want to hear about?
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Frank_Person Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:31 PM
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42. Bush: Man of God or A "major league asshole"
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/

At the Republican National Convention in 1988, Bush was asked by a Hartford Courant reporter about what he and his father talked about when they weren't talking about politics.

"Pu*sy," Bush replied.
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:35 PM
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43. 'greatest threat to life on planet'
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/bush_lies.html

Livingstone says Bush is 'greatest threat to life on planet' - Ken Livingstone, the Mayor of London, launched a stinging attack on President George Bush - denouncing him as the "greatest threat to life on this planet that we've most probably ever seen". - Mr Livingstone recalled a visit at Easter to California, where he was denounced for an attack he had made on what he called "the most corrupt and racist American administration in over 80 years". - Well, I think what I said then was quite mild. I actually think that Bush is the greatest threat to life on this planet that we've most probably ever seen. The policies he is initiating will doom us to extinction."

Bush's Desolate Imperium - Helen Thomas calls him "the worst president ever." A kinder, gentler Jonathan Chait ranks him "among the worst presidents in US history." No such restraint from Paul Berman, who brands him "the worst president the US has ever had." Nobel Laureate George Akerlof rates his government as the "worst ever." Even Bushie du jour, Christopher Hitchens, calls the man "unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of all these things." Only Fidel Castro, it would appear, has had kind words for our 43rd President. "Hopefully, he is not as stupid as he seems, nor as Mafia-like as his predecessors were."
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:44 PM
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45. Was 9-11 allowed to happen?
If you want to know why 9/11 was allowed to happen you may not have to look any further than the Oval Office.

A little more than a month before the attack, in his Aug. 6 daily intelligence briefing, Bush was "told that morning of the al-Qaida terror network's interest in conducting a strike within the U.S., and that it might involve highjacked airplanes," reports the Wall Street Journal (7/24/03.)

Why didn't he order airlines to be alerted, inform the Federal Aviation Administration of the threat, put the military air commands on a high level of readiness and tell the FBI, CIA and INS to be super vigilant?

He brushed the warning aside.

But perhaps the Bushies had a reason for ignoring the warnings. Something brushed over in the Congressional 9/11 report suggests the possibility of one of the worst conspiracies of American history.

PNAC, Project for the New American Century, was organized in 1997 by Zionist neo-cons Robert Kagen and William Kristol. It is funded by three foundations closely tied to Persian Gulf oil and the weapons and defense industries.

Members of PNAC included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush and Paul Wolfowitz, a director of the organization.

All signed a statement of principles, one of which was to promote "American global leadership" with special emphasis on Arab countries. Another was to "transform" the U.S. military with huge increases in defense spending.

Here's the chilling kicker: To convince the American people to spend extra billions for defense instead of on Social Security, Medicare, etc., PNAC suggested it would take a "catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." (PNAC's exact words.)

One bit of confirmation: Former Gen. Wesley Clark told Tim Russert (Meet the Press) that "There was a concerted effort to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein. I was on CNN (on 9/11) and got a call at my home (from people around the White House) saying 'you got to say this is connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence."

Perhaps it wasn't arrogance that made the PNAC-influenced administration dismiss multiple warnings of a terrorist attack using highjacked airliners. The truth may be far darker.

http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/080103/LOCrose.shtml
by John David Rose
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:43 PM
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44. Wow, it's "nostamj" J. from New Jersey! n/t
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:48 PM
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47. BROOKLYN!!
;-)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:57 PM
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51. Whoops! Sorry!
Don't know how I got that.

Great call, by the way.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:03 PM
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53. just kidding ya....
glad the call was OK. not as focused as I like to be, and when he needed me to be louder, I got lost in my thoughts (such as they were!)

i'm outta practice!
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:45 PM
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46. Got It
For Linux users it will not run in XMMS,it will run in Totem player.
Just tuned in, has there been any discussion about Black Box voting and vote fraud?
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:02 PM
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52. Convicted felons worked for electronic voting companies
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/7507193.htm

Posted on Wed, Dec. 17, 2003
Critics: Convicted felons worked for electronic voting companies
RACHEL KONRAD
Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO - A manufacturer of electronic voting machines has employed at least five convicted felons as managers, according to critics demanding more stringent background checks for people responsible for voting machine software.

Voter advocate Bev Harris alleged Tuesday that managers of a subsidiary of Diebold Inc., one of the country's largest voting equipment vendors, included a cocaine trafficker, a man who conducted fraudulent stock transactions, and a programmer jailed for falsifying computer records.

The programmer, Jeffrey Dean, wrote and maintained proprietary code used to count hundreds of thousands of votes as senior vice president of Global Election Systems Inc. Diebold purchased GES in January 2002.

According to a public court document released before GES hired him, Dean served time in a Washington correctional facility for stealing money and tampering with computer files in a scheme that "involved a high degree of sophistication and planning."

"You can't tell me these people passed background tests," Harris, author of "Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century," said in a phone interview.

Michael Jacobsen, a spokesman for North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold, emphasized that the company performs background checks on all managers and programmers. He said many GES managers - including Dean - left at the time of the acquisition.

"We can't speak for the hiring process of a company before we acquired it," Jacobsen said. He would not provide further details, saying company policy bars discussion of current or past employees.

The former GES is Diebold's wholly owned subsidiary, Global Election Management Systems, which produces the operating system that touch-screen voting terminals use.

Dean could not be reached for comment Tuesday afternoon.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., announced a bill last week that would require stringent background checks on all electronic voting company employees who work with voting software. The bill, which the California Democrat plans to introduce in January, would toughen security standards for voting software and hardware, and require touch-screen terminals to include printers and produce paper backups of vote counts by the 2004 presidential election in November.

Harris and Andy Stephenson, a Democratic candidate for secretary of state in Washington, conducted a 10-day investigation in Seattle and Vancouver, where the men were convicted. Harris and Stephenson released the findings in a 17-page document online and at a news conference in Seattle.

Also Tuesday, Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed announced legislation that would require electronic voting machines in Washington to produce a paper trail. If the legislature approves it, touch-screen machines in the state would be required to produce paper receipts by 2006. Voters would get to see but not touch or remove the receipts, which would be kept in a county lock box.

Computer programmers say software bugs, hackers or electrical outages could cause more than 50,000 touch-screen machines used in precincts nationwide to delete or alter votes. California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley announced Nov. 21 that touch-screens in the nation's most populous state must provide paper receipts by 2006.

ON THE NET

http://www.blackboxvoting.com
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:06 PM
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55. How "voter-cleansing" program stole 2000
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Salon.com's politics story of the year
www.Salon.com

Monday, December 4, 2000
If Vice President Al Gore is wondering where his Florida votes went, rather than sift through a pile of chad, he might want to look at a "scrub list" of 173,000 names targeted to be knocked off the Florida voter registry by a division of the office of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris. A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list that included purported "felons" provided by a private firm with tight Republican ties.

Early in the year, the company, ChoicePoint, gave Florida officials a list with the names of 8,000 ex-felons to "scrub" from their list of voters.

But it turns out none on the list were guilty of felonies, only misdemeanors. The company acknowledged the error, and blamed it on the original source of the list -- the state of Texas.

Florida officials moved to put those falsely accused by Texas back on voter rolls before the election. Nevertheless, the large number of errors uncovered in individual counties suggests that thousands of eligible voters may have been turned away at the polls.

Florida is the only state that pays a private company that promises to "cleanse" voter rolls.The state signed in 1998 a $4 million contract with DBT Online, since merged into ChoicePoint, of Atlanta. The creation of the scrub list, called the central voter file, was mandated by a 1998 state voter fraud law, which followed a tumultuous year that saw Miami's mayor removed after voter fraud in the election, with dead people discovered to have cast ballots. The voter fraud law required all 67 counties to purge voter registries of duplicate registrations, deceased voters and felons, many of whom, but not all, are barred from voting in Florida.

In the process, however, the list invariably targets a minority population in Florida, where 31 percent of all black men cannot vote because of a ban on felons. In compiling a list by looking at felons from other states, Florida could, in the process, single out citizens who committed felons in other states but, after serving their time or successfully petitioning the courts, had their voting rights returned to them. According to Florida law, felons can vote once their voting rights have been reinstated.

And if this unfairly singled out minorities, it unfairly handicapped Gore: In Florida, 93 percent of African-Americans voted for the vice president.

In the 10 counties contacted by Salon, use of the central voter file seemed to vary wildly. Some found the list too unreliable and didn't use it at all. But most counties appear to have used the file as a resource to purge names from their voter rolls, with some counties making little -- or no -- effort at all to alert the "purged" voters. Counties that did their best to vet the file discovered a high level of errors, with as many as 15 percent of names incorrectly identified as felons.

News coverage has focused on some maverick Florida counties that decided not to use the central voter file, essentially breaking the law and possibly letting some ineligible felons vote.

On Friday, the Miami Herald reported that after researching voter records in 12 Florida counties -- but primarily in Palm Beach and Duval counties, which didn't use the file -- it found that more than 445 felons had apparently cast ballots in the presidential election.

But Palm Beach and Duval weren't the only counties to dump the list after questioning its accuracy. Madison County's elections supervisor, Linda Howell, had a peculiarly personal reason for distrusting the central voter file: She had received a letter saying that since she had committed a felony, she would not be allowed to vote.

Howell, who said she has never committed a felony, said the letter she received in March shook her faith in the process. "It really is a mess," she said.

"I was very upset," Howell said. "I know I'm not a felon." Though the mistake did get corrected and law enforcement officials were quite apologetic, Howell decided not to use the state list anymore because its "information is so flawed." She's unsure of the number of warning letters that were sent out to county residents when she first received the list in 1999, but she recalls that there were many problems. "One day we would send a letter to have someone taken off the rolls, and the next day, we would send one to put them back on again," Howell said. "It makes you look like you must be a dummy."

Dixie and Washington counties also refused to use the scrub lists. Starlet Cannon, Dixie's deputy assistant supervisor of elections, said, "I'm scared to work with it because of lot of the information they have on there is not accurate."

Carol Griffin, supervisor of elections for Washington, said, "It hasn't been accurate in the past, so we had no reason to suspect it was accurate this year."

But if some counties refused to use the list altogether, others seemed to embrace it all too enthusiastically. Etta Rosado, spokeswoman for the Volusia County Department of Elections, said the county essentially accepted the file at face value, did nothing to confirm the accuracy of it and doesn't inform citizens ahead of time that they have been dropped from the voter rolls.

"When we get the con felon list, we automatically start going through our rolls on the computer. If there's a name that says John Smith was convicted of a felony, then we enter a notation on our computer that says convicted felon -- we mark an "f" for felon -- and the date that we received it," Rosado said. "They're still on our computer, but they're on purge status," meaning they have been marked ineligible to vote.

"I don't think that it's up to us to tell them they're a convicted felon," Rosado said. "If he's on our rolls, we make a notation on there. If they show up at a polling place, we'll say, 'Wait a minute, you're a convicted felon, you can't vote. Nine out of 10 times when we repeat that to the person, they say 'Thank you' and walk away.

They don't put up arguments." Rosado doesn't know how many people in Volusia were dropped from the list as a result of being identified as felons.

Hillsborough County's elections supervisor, Pam Iorio, tried to make sure that that the bugs in the system didn't keep anyone from voting. All 3,258 county residents who were identified as possible felons on the central voter file sent by the state in June were sent a certified letter informing them that their voting rights were in jeopardy. Of that number, 551 appealed their status, and 245 of those appeals were successful.

Some had been convicted of a misdemeanor and not a felony, others were felons who had had their rights restored and others were simply cases of mistaken identity.

An additional 279 were not close matches with names on the county's own voter rolls and were not notified. Of the 3,258 names on the original list, therefore, the county concluded that more than 15 percent were in error. If that ratio held statewide, no fewer than 7,000 voters were incorrectly targeted for removal from voting rosters.

Iorio says local officials did not get adequate preparation for purging felons from their rolls. "We're not used to dealing with issues of criminal justice or ascertaining who has a felony conviction," she said. Though the central voter file was supposed to facilitate the process, it was often more troublesome than the monthly circuit court lists that she had previously used to clear her rolls of duplicate registrations, the deceased and convicted felons. "The database from the state level is not always accurate," Iorio said. As a consequence, her county did its best to notify citizens who were on the list about their felony status. "We sent those individuals a certified letter, we put an ad in a local newspaper and we held a public hearing. For those who didn't respond to that, we sent out another letter by regular mail," Iorio said. "That process lasted several months."

"We did run some number stats and the number of blacks was higher than expected for our population," says Chuck Smith, a statistician for the county. Iorio acknowledged that African-Americans made up 54 percent of the people on the original felons list, though they constitute only 11.6 percent of Hillsborough's voting population.

Smith added that the DBT computer program automatically transformed various forms of a single name. In one case, a voter named "Christine" was identified as a felon based on the conviction of a "Christopher" with the same last name. Smith says ChoicePoint would not respond to queries about its proprietary methods.

Nor would the company provide additional verification data to back its fingering certain individuals in the registry purge. One supposed felon on the ChoicePoint list is a local judge.

While there was much about the lists that bothered Iorio, she felt she didn't have a choice but to use them. And she's right. Section 98.0975 of the Florida Constitution states: "Upon receiving the list from the division, the supervisor must attempt to verify the information provided. If the supervisor does not determine that the information provided by the division is incorrect, the supervisor must remove from the registration books by the next subsequent election the name of any person who is deceased, convicted of a felony or adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to voting."

But the counties have interpreted that law in different ways. Leon County used the central voter file sent in January 2000 to clean up its voter rolls, but set aside the one it received in July. According to Thomas James, the information systems officer in the county election office, the list came too late for the information to be processed.

According to Leon election supervisor Ion Sancho, "there have been some problems" with the file. Using the information received in January, Sancho sent 200 letters to county voters, by regular mail, telling them they had been identified by the state as having committed a felony and would not be allowed to vote. They were given 30 days to respond if there was an error. "They had the burden of proof," he says.

He says 20 people proved that they did not belong on the list, and a handful of angry phone calls followed on Election Day. "Some people threatened to sue us," he said, "but we haven't had any lawyers calling yet."

In Orange County, officials also sent letters to those identified as felons by the state, but they appear to have taken little care in their handling of the list. "I have no idea," said June Condrun, Orange's deputy supervisor of elections, when asked how many letters were sent out to voters. After a bit more thought, Condrun responded that "several hundred" of the letters were sent, but said she doesn't know how many people complained. Those who did call, she said, were given the phone number of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement so that they could appeal directly to it.

Many Orange County voters never got the chance to appeal in any form. Condrun noted that about one-third of the letters, which the county sent out by regular mail, were returned to the office marked undeliverable. She attributed the high rate of incorrect addresses to the age of the information sent by DBT, some of which was close to 20 years old, she said.

Miami-Dade County officials may have had similar trouble. Milton Collins, assistant supervisor of elections, said he isn't comfortable estimating how many accused felons were identified by the central voter file in his county. He said he knows that about 6,000 were notified, by regular mail, about an early list in 1999. Exactly how many were purged from the list? "I honestly couldn't tell you," he said. According to Collins, the most recent list he received from the state was one sent in January 2000, and the county applied a "two-pass system": If the information on the state list seemed accurate enough when comparing names with those on county voter lists, people were classified as felons and were then sent warning letters. Those who seemed to have only a partial match with the state data were granted "temporary inactive status." Both groups of people were given 90 days to respond or have their names struck from the rolls.

But Collins said the county has no figures for how many voters were able to successfully appeal their designation as felons.

ChoicePoint spokesman Martin Fagan concedes his company's error in passing on the bogus list from Texas. ("I guess that's a little bit embarrassing in light of the election," he says.) He defends the company's overall performance, however, dismissing the errors in 8,000 names as "a minor glitch -- less than one-tenth of 1 percent of the electorate" (though the total equals 15 times Gov. George W. Bush's claimed lead over Gore).

But he added that ChoicePoint is responsible only for turning over its raw list, which is then up to Florida officials to test and correct.

Last year, DBT Online, with which ChoicePoint would soon merge, received the unprecedented contract from the state of Florida to "cleanse" registration lists of ineligible voters -- using information gathering and matching criteria it has refused to disclose, even to local election officials in Florida.

Atlanta's ChoicePoint, a highflying dot-com specializing in sales of personal information gleaned from its database of 4 billion public and not-so-public records, has come under fire for misuse of private data from government computers.

In January, the state of Pennsylvania terminated
a contract with ChoicePoint after discovering the firm had sold citizens' personal profiles to unauthorized individuals.

Fagan says many errors could have been eliminated by matching the Social Security numbers of ex-felons on DBT lists to the Social Security numbers on voter registries. However, Florida's counties have Social Security numbers on only a fraction of their voter records. So with those two problems -- Social Security numbers missing in both the DBT's records and the counties' records -- that fail-safe check simply did not exist.

In its defense, the company proudly points to an award it received from Voter Integrity Inc. on April 1 for "innovative excellence cleansing" Florida voter rolls. The conservative, nonprofit advocacy organization has campaigned in parallel with the Republican Party against the 1993 motor voter law that resulted in a nationwide increase in voter registration of 7 million, much of it among minority voters. DBT Online partnered with Voter Integrity Inc. three days later, setting up a program to let small counties "scrub" their voting lists, too.

Florida is the only state in the nation to contract the first stage of removal of voting rights to a private company. And ChoicePoint has big plans. "Given the outcome of our work in Florida," says Fagan, "and with a new president in place, we think our services will expand across the country."

Especially if that president is named "Bush." ChoicePoint's board and executive roster are packed with Republican stars, including billionaire Ken Langone, a company director who was chairman of the fund-raising committee for New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's aborted run against Hillary Rodham Clinton. Langone is joined at ChoicePoint by another Giuliani associate, former New York Police Commissioner Howard Safir.

And Republican power lobbyist and former congressman Vin Weber lobbies for ChoicePoint in Washington. Just before his death in 1998, Rick Rozar, president of a Choicepoint company, CDB Infotek, donated $100,000 to the Republican Party.

(Alicia Montgomery, Daryl Lindsey and Anthony York contributed to this story.)

GregoryPalast@Guardian.co.uk


Gregory Palast's other investigative reports can be found at www.GregoryPalast.Com where you can also subscribe to Palast's column.

Gregory Palast's column "Inside Corporate America" appears fortnightly in the
Observer's Business section. Nominated Business Writer of the Year (UK Press
Association - 2000), Investigative Story of the Year (Industrial. Society - 1999), Financial Times David Thomas Prize (1998).

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:49 PM
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48. Rush is in my bet on a methadone program.
He won't get high off of it and he won't get "clean and sober" either. His disease is still very active. How can he do what he does no that show and work a 12-Step Program?

From what I understand of the 12-Steps, he can't be getting sober but is what they call a "dry drunk" which explains all.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:56 PM
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49. "George Bush is God's
chosen one for our nation." <-- Why does this make me want to gouge out my eyeballs?
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:56 PM
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50. "Bush was chosen by God"
I've seen some of this talk on the MSN chatrooms. Basically, they want to have a constitutional convention and make America a theocratic monarchy. :crazy:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:05 PM
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54. Guy's right about the threatening letter writer
He used the same threats, just in a different arrangement.

He has INFORMED the authorities on Guy James.

He believes Guy James'll be hauled off to Leavenworth for having a Democratic radio show!

Don't go, Guy!

Great Republican love notes. Right in step with previous works of Republican fine letter writing.
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mr_pique Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:14 PM
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56. "decisions must be brought about by other means"
It rings true, that the new fascist would lock us up for criticizing the Dubya Regime. We have a concentration camp at Gitmo and the Patriot Act has erased our rights. Don't think for a minute they wouldn't lock us up, it may be in our future.

"It is not enough to say we do not want Communism in our economy. If we continue on our old political course, then we shall perish . . . It is the noblest task of the leader to find ideals that are stronger than the factors that pull the people together. I recognized even while in the hospital that one had to search for new ideals conducive to reconstruction. I found them in nationalism, in the value of personality, and in the denial of reconciliation between nations . . . Now we stand before the last election. Regardless of the outcome, there will be no retreat, even if the coming election does not bring about decision, one way or another. If the election does not decide, the decisions must be brought about by other means. I have intervened in order to give the people once more the chance to decide their fate by themselves . . . There are only two possibilities, either to crowd back the opponent on constitutional grounds and for this purpose once more this election; or a struggle will be conducted with other weapons, which may demand greater sacrifices. I hope the German people thus recognize the greatness of the hour." (cited in book by Josiah E. Dubois, Jr., Generals in Grey Suits op. cit., p. 323)

The words, in fact, were spoken by Adolph Hitler, addressing industrialists who financed his 1933 election bid. Not much has changed, except for the labels and linguistic spin.

The results of these efforts to craft a topsy-turvy world that Nazis imagined would give corporate plutocrats oligarchic control can be seen.

It is because of the "bonding" of plutocrats that, for decades, corporate crimes against humanity have been blamed on either the people they victimized (i.e., Germans post WII), or the very dictators hired, trained and armed (bin Laden, Saddam) to serve their profit-making interests.

It is because of the "bonding" of plutocrats that, for decades, corporate media have failed to serve the public interests as whistleblowers, and instead played key roles in keeping the public in the dark.

It is because of the bonding of plutocrats that, for decades, peoples around the globe have hoped and expected "free" market capitalism, world trade organizations and industries were doing more good than harm to the world, when in fact the very opposite is true.

It is because of the bonding of plutocrats that, until 911, most of America and the world were convinced that the U.S. was a model democracy and that its citizens were to be envied because of the unparalleled "freedom" and high standards of living they enjoyed. Again, the opposite has been true.

In another revealing quote, David Rockefeller thanks the media for keeping the public in the dark. Speaking at the Bilderberger meeting in June 1991 in Baden Baden, Germany, David Rockefeller stated, "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years . . . It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

In short, it is because of the "bonding" of plutocrats that, for decades, fascism was permitted to go unnoticed, thus, regroup to better position a cabal of plutocrats and their secret plan to dominate the world.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:20 PM
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57. "Kathy" in the last phone call was great. "ProlesUnited?"
Edited on Sat Jan-03-04 05:23 PM by JudiLyn
On edit:

Didn't hear the start of "John's" call. Is he a DU'er, does anyone know?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Am I hearing things, or did the current caller, Preston, confess to being the one who put up the note on Hannity's website?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:24 PM
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58. Yes;
He said he's an ex DUer.

He made some good points about getting a progressive network of public voices going.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:25 PM
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59. Thats what he said.....
Preston is the name of poster at the Hannity blog...

So....could be.....
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:31 PM
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60. not proles.... she's sharon n/t

and yes preston did admit to posting on Hannity
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 06:10 PM
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63. Kathy was me
:-)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 07:18 PM
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64. Thanks for the illumination, Rational Rose
Yours was a lively, informed call.

After another call or two, one might be able to spot you immediately.
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BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:42 PM
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61. need a couple of calls
Anyone want to talk about "the big lie"?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 06:07 PM
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62. Thanks to Guy James for a terrific show, all over again.


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