Are we entitled to expect more from a first lady than this?

[Malva Zebrina]

HOnestly, she is embarrassing. Aren't we, who pay for her jaunts over Europe dressed in the most outrageous upholstry fabics, entitled to something more representative of the women of America than this sloppy, wrinkled, slovenly dressed woman called "the first lady"?

This is upsetting--she really is becoming more and more wrinkled , slovenly and seeming non caring as we go along.

Can someone give her a helping hand?--this is really unacceptable and is quite a slap in the face to the American woman. She just looks like a slut.

I think this is the worst, non caring slap in the face to American women I have seen yet. You may excuse the poor taste in color , fit and design, but come on, this is a wrinkled mess of a slob of a woman on her way to seclusion in the 1600 acre "Prarie Chapel" away from us all--where she can sit by the pool and smoke to her heart's content and wear a bathrobe all day.

Maybe she should consider that she might pray in that "Prarie Chapel" for some sense of pride or self esteem or some sense of responsibility to her own country as she represents in her manner and her dress. She is just sticking it to us in our face with this type of grey, wrinkled insult. "up yours" is what it says to me.

[KoKo]

1. Upholstery fabric aside, she seems to wear alot of "Nehru Jackets."

I think Laura, like most "opressed wives," makes a little statement about herself and her marriage, from time to time. And that's what we are seeing in her "public outfits."

I like to think she knows what's going on...but otoh, to have lived in the BFEE and had two daughters, one wonders what that does to one's mind.

Maybe her whole attitude about herself is just worn down.

[readmylips]

9. Laura's clothing is a reminder....

that today, we live in communist China-like.

[La_Serpiente]

2. Personally, I'd slap some highlights in her hair

but I don't really care. She just dresses conservatively I guess.

[jmowreader]

88. No, she dresses badly.

There's nothing "conservative" about it. She dresses in ugly clothes. She has an ugly hairstyle.

Her appearance is a walking embarassment to the country.

[hlthe2b]

3. Well, ordinarily I would say that we didn't elect her...

but then no one elected him either.

She doesn't inspire much respect or admiration from me, but I think we should focus on Bush and lay off pickles.

Now the old lady BABs is a different story, because she does lash out politically against her husband's and son's opponents. Her nasty mouth is far more offensive to me than her's or any first lady's looks. Thusfar, Pickles seems just to be a meek (and likely) sedated shadow. Inspiring? Hell no. But, immaterial IMO

[Ilsa]

7. I'm with you.

She does nothing for me, but I haven't expected her to do anything either.

Of course, I bet Hilary took all kids of crap for her hair, clothing, weight, etc.

I'll be first in line to blast BABs also. I can't stand that woman.

[Malva Zebrina]

11. Laura has raised more money for her husband's campaign than

Dick Cheney. She has been very busy working for his election.

She is involved--she just looks like and has been billed as a vulnerable, defenseless woman who needs someone to come to her rescue and "protect her" and that, after all, is the role and the personna of the Stepford Wife is it not?

That is her role and her "billing" she seems to like it.


Laura has travelled all over the world, several times, on our money-has had great fairy tale "vacations" shopping and eating on our money-and she does have a responsibility to us for that courtesy we have given her, I would say.

Should she not at least try to look as though she WANTS to represent America as a neatly dressed, self aware and self confident woman? For our sake?

[NicoleM]

4. No.

First of all, I don't think she looks like a slut. Usually when I think "slut," I think "half- or not-clothed," not somebody who walks around looking like she's wearing the slipcover from my grandma's couch.

With that said, I don't think we're entitled to expect much from her. It's not a paid position.

[grasswire]

15. agghhhhhhh!!

NOT A PAID POSITION??

I'd like to know who the hell is paying for the junkets to Paris, the lavish parties for thousands of pals, the weekend vacations at Camp David, the maids, the social secretaries, the french pastry chef, the security, the airfare, the book fairs, the gardeners, the booze, the social entree and all the accoutrements of the White House.

Well?

[KoKo]

24. I hear that "French Pastries" weren't quite to their taste. Fried Mexican

Bread coated in sugar to follow the "Burritos" they are so fond of. I believe I read a story that the WH Chef under Clinton was fired so that the more "homey" Tex/Mex food they were accustomed to could be served.
Whatever one eats after "Texas sized Cheesburgers, Tacos, Burritos and Chili is their taste. To be authentic I believe it's fried bread balls.
(I used to know the name....but can't spell..it's something like "Sopiapias?") Maybe someone can help me on this one. I made them one time and they were a little like our doughnuts.

On Edit: Here's the correct name and a recipe:
Mexican Sopaipillas
This is a delicious puff pastry dessert that is sometimes served drizzled with honey or served as an accompaniment with soups. It is

I N G R E D I E N T S
2 cups all-purpose flour|
1 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons solid vegetable shortening
3/4 cup warm water
oil for deep frying

Toppings:
Honey, cinnamon, crema or creme fraiche.
1 cup warm water
Makes: 12- 6 inch tortillas

I N S T R U C T I O N S
Sift the dry ingredients into a bowl. Use your fingers and rub in the shortening until the mixture is the size of fine bread crumbs. Gradually add just enough water until the dough begins to form. Wrap the dough in plastic wrap and allow it to rest for one hour.

Work with half of the dough at a time and roll out into a square keeping it as even and thin as possible. If you have not made pastry before this may take some practice. Just have fun with it! Cut the dough into 3" squares. Complete with the 2nd piece of dough.

Heat oil for deep frying to 375 degrees. Add a few pastry squares at a time and use tongs to push the pastry into the oil. Cook until golden brown on both sides, turning once. Remove them from the oil and place on a plate with paper toweling and allow to drain.

To serve, place on a plate and drizzle with honey and sprinkle with cinnamon. Serve creme fraiche or heavy cream on the side.

[NicoleM]

25. Well

the twins get Secret Service protection, and I'm sure we pay for all of their travel, too. What have they done for us lately?

It would be nice if Laura would do something every once in a while, but I don't think we have the right to expect much of a First Lady. She's only there because she married a guy who got elected (or installed as) president.

[goddess40]

5. maybe the stepford veneer is cracking

It must be a real treat to be married to that piece of work!

[readmylips]

6. I heard she sews her own clothes....or

shops in Baba Boooshe's closet. Laura is cheap.

[cornermouse]

8. Considering George's ability to spend money,

it was probably a necessity of life.

[Cleita]

10. She has a thrift shop look about her.

I think she doesn't care. She obviously does the least that she can as a first lady.

[Malva Zebrina]

13. I think this one ,especially, does look like a home sewing project.

.

[KoKo]

17. Not every "Home Sewer" turns out what Laura wears. Most do quite well,

and would take offense at being compared with Laura's Designer. She probably has the same one that Babs did. And Babs never wore much that matched.

[Malva Zebrina]

21. you are right

I take it back.:hi: She looks like an inept home sewer who never bothered to develop a technique because she was too lazy to pay any attention.

[Ellen Forradalom]

125. She whipped up Butterick 4080 with no alterations.

[soothsayer]

34. she looks like she crawled out of a home sewer

is that what you meant?

LOL poor pickles

she's not only a lump in the bed, she's a lump in a suit

[tnlefty]

12. What about him??? He may pay a fortune for those damned suits and

shoes, but just look at the way he looks. I think he looks dreadful in a suit and I damned sure don't want to see him out of one - yuck - but look at how it fits around his middle, and the upper legs of the trousers.

From what we've witnessed thus far, this seems to be one of the Stepford Wife's better days. She can wear some pretty gawd-awful stuff.

[alcuno]

14. Oh please. At least she doesn't have that chenille throw wrapped

around her; the same one that's on my couch. Methinks I've seen this militaristic Chinese suit before; in a different color. It seems to be a common theme with her.

[nostamj]

16. Queer Eye for the Stepford Wife???

carson would plotz but...

[Skittles]

18. I am more offended by Dubya's salute than Laura's clothes

he makes me sick.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

19. does she wear a wig?

my neighbor and i were talking about it the other day. i've always thought so and my neighbor thinks so too. it never seems to grow.

have you noticed that she rarely shows any skin. too many scars?

[The Zanti Regent]

28. Hmm can she wash the blood off her hands?

Nice to know we have a real murderer as First Lady!

[louis-t]

20. I agree it looks like Peoples Republic of Chinawear

or latter Star Trek movie wardrobe. 'Member when the Repelicans constantly made fun of Hillary because she wore pantsuits? I have a Repub aunt who said Hillary had no class because she wore pantsuits. I will e-mail her this photo.

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[Malva Zebrina]

27. You mean the Honorable Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton ,I presume

I would love to see the vapid and vacant, rictus smiling, Laura try to run for the Senate. For some reason that image makes me laugh--although I see Katherine Harris is begging someone to let her run for Senator--and that is really funny.

Is it not strange that the Clintons always have to be brought into the debate as a desperation move, even when it comes to discussing the wrinkled Kung Fu costumed imitator, Laura and her unfortunate lack of self esteem and savvy when it comes to how she presents herself to the world? I find that amusing.

The logic goes something like this:

Laura can be as much of a wrinkled up slob and look like as much a slut as she wants, because, well because Hillary was not that great either!!!!

Bwahahaha

[soothsayer]

30. Ewwww. An intellgent woman like Hillary would never marry a dumbass

like dumbya!

Gads.

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[maxanne]

57. dude

the least you could do is be literate. She MAIRED a liar? You even spelled your hometown wrong in your profile, fa cryin out loud.

When your time here is finished, please think about going back to school.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

79. Going Going Gone

He needs a Hooked On Phonics lesson too.

[MoonRiver]

80. Good point. He/she needs to enroll in English 001.

:D

[chelaque liberal]

92. A liar ? You're joking, right?

Using Dubya's standard for lying, Bill isn't even on the page

[alcuno]

31. Gasp! No, no, not the CLINTON argument! Anything but that!

It's such a brilliant debate tool......for those who can think of absolutely NOTHING to say. Just a national tragedy and a disgrace, a disgrace I tell you, to lovers of language and debate throughout this great nation. I'm very disappointed in you, superbug.

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[Shakespeare]

49. So are you saying the Clintons make your stomach turn?

Enjoy your brief stay on our boards, bug. :nuke:

[CatWoman]

54. This person said in another thread

that he/she can't wait to read Hannity's new book.

So much for taste.......

[superbug]

61. Close

I said I'm waiting, not that I can't wait. Can't even get that right? Cute cats though.

[CatWoman]

82. Well, when you CIC gets the reason we went to war right

I'll reserve my right to trash that lying bastard idiot and his wife.

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[LTR]

81. BEHOLD...the power of "The Clenis"!

Withier in it's aura!

Hope you enjoy being planted in the ground with a big rock on top of ya!

[Dookus]

63. lol...

"speach"? Dead give-away. Thank you for flying DU. We know you have a choice in which forum to infect, and we appreciate you choosing DU. You can pick up your luggage at carousel 3.

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[alcuno]

78. It's the shallowness of your argument, dear.

Bring up the Clintons. It's sooooo boring and sooooo 20th Century. Bad economy? Clinton. 9/11? Clinton. Laura Bush dresses like she just got released from a Chinese prison? Clinton. My parrot can do better than that.

[put out]

37. It should be Mrs. Gore. n/t

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[Shakespeare]

50. Actually

He didn't. Buh-bye.

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[alcuno]

83. Shakespeare, it must fill them with overwhelming rage everyday;

knowing that their guy wasn't the one that the people wanted. Can't you imagine the impotence they must have been feeling for the past three years? We should have more compassion for them. It must be dreadfully embarrassing.

[Shakespeare]

86. Yup....and when you think about it, it really explains...

...their runaway paranoia.

[shanti]

60. keep it up...

and you won't last much longer

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[MoonRiver]

70. ABSOLUTELY. Her husband won the popular vote and were it not

for a corrupt SCOTUS would have gotten the electoral vote.

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[louis-t]

23. Jeez, you're right, he looks like

such an idiot when he salutes. It's like a deluded Hitler thing. The soldiers have a big snappy salute and he has this little wimpy attempt at a salute. Almost like he's embarrassed.

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[soothsayer]

32. CIC? Is that a new acronym for AWOL from the National Guard?

Or for world's worst president?

[alcuno]

36. CIC - Clown in Command..

Where have you been?

[soothsayer]

38. well, you know freepers aren't good at abbreviations

at Gitmo (this is 100% true) they use the term "NAI" to refer to "Known Areas of Interest"!

Ok, now I feel really safe.....

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[karlschneider]

66. Funny, you can't even spell Jacksonville.

Away with you, moran (sic).

[alcuno]

85. Darn it. I missed the return volley.

[LTR]

72. STONED

Na na na na, na na na na...

Hey hey hey

GOODBYE!!!

[buff2]

33. It looks like she just crawled out of bed........

and didn't even bother to comb her hair. The way the presidunce talks,acts and looks......gaawd..... what an embarrassing pair representing our country. It's pathetic. :puke:

[MoonRiver]

35. Hey, she's probably just barely hanging on to her sanity

after HOW MANY years of participation in this * cabal? Give the pathetic schmuck a break, will ya?

[Malva Zebrina]

39. Cannot feel sorry for her--

no sireeeee--no way, no how. She has millions of dollars at her disposal--cannot feel sorry one bit. Sorry Laura, but you just do not tweak my pity button.

[NashVegas]

40. This All Just Looks Like So Much Sexist Bullsh*t

There is nothing wrong with Laura's outfit in the photo up top.

Nothing. If you want to damn her on her taste in men, by all means, but this judging on appearance and fashion taste (or occasional lack thereof) is petty horseshit on DU and it disgusts me.

Get yourselves some Barbie Dolls if you want to dictate someone's wardrobe.

[CatWoman]

44. WHAT? SEXIST?????

Get yourselves some Barbie Dolls if you want to dictate someone's wardrobe.

I'd much rather have Barbie's Malibu beach house.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

73. Amen, Crisco/Catwoman

I love when supposed progressives attempt to dictate the way someone should look. Kind of a contradiction in terms.

[Yupster]

121. She looks like

a librarian from West Texas, which is exactly what she was, and probaby what she would rather be right now.

You combine one of the most cobservatively dressed occupations and put them in the most conservative part of the Bible Belt and then criticize her for her dress of all things. Could we possibly get any more elitist?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

123. Yup-and they look at me down South

and ask where the funeral is because I dress in black and look like a Northeast city chick. Laura married an evil simpleton, but that is no reason to criticize her wardrobe.

She DOES look like a librarian, BTW.

[CatWoman]

138. one thing you people need to grasp and understand

she is the first lady.

she represents US.

US -- all of us. Not just the U.S. But US!!!!

Did previous first ladies dare venture out looking like shit, squeezed into tiny outfits? No matter what their previous occupations???? Her being a librarian gives her the right to run around the world looking like shit in OUR name??????

This administration is all about style -- not substance -- just style.

And obviously that's ok for some of you.

Style matters when * lands on an aircraft carrier, decked out in a uniform he has no right to wear, with socks stuffed down his crotch. But all of a sudden it doesn't matter when the First Lady dons these ridiculous tight-fitting and ugly outfits, and travels abroad or ventures out to represent herself to the world in OUR name?

Give me a break.

Even first ladies from poorer and third world countries show more style and grace.

[Malva Zebrina]

62. You don't think we should make comments on this disgraceful

display of total sloppiness and total disregard of one's appearance by the First Lady, the one Bush married up into, of the United States of America? You are happy with the looks of this woman who spends thousands of dollars on her pathetic wardrobe and then proceeds to abuse it by sleeping in it and then appearing for a photo op in the wrinkled mess?

For goodness sake, we may just as well have a bag lady as a first lady traipsing all over Europe on our money just because she married the jerk who stole an election. You would be happy with that?

I have seen bag ladies look better, actually.

[NashVegas]

91. Hmmmm ... "Should"

"should" implies that it's important to, in this case, rate the woman's taste in clothing.

I suppose if someone in the White House is paying you to be an image consultant, then certainly you should.

If you honestly believe that someone who is in regular contact with Pickles reads DU with the express purpose of telling her how she could improve her fashion sense, you certainly should.

You are happy with the looks of this woman who spends thousands of dollars on her pathetic ...

I don't care how she dresses. It doesn't affect me. OTOH, seeing the most petty insults possible on DU, where thoughtful conversations once took place, does.

For goodness sake, we may just as well have a bag lady as a first lady traipsing all over Europe on our money just because she married the jerk who stole an election. You would be happy with that?

Until that gig with the State Dept. comes through, what she wears overseas does not affect me. Why should I be embarrassed if the French are snickering when I didn't do anything to put her in that position?

I have seen bag ladies look better, actually.

Photos?

Better yet: why don't you show us some pictures of yourself in your own finery.

[Malva Zebrina]

108. Dear Crisco

all of the insults you hurl at me cannot do away with the fact that Laura is a rich bitch who does not respect herself and has little sel f esteem.

She spends more on her clothing,perhaps a hundred times more than my yearly stipend.

What I spend or how I dress, or how I have ever dressed or even how my dear mother dressed me when I was two years old, my dear Monte Crisco, has nothing to do, logically, with the conversation at hand. That is that Laura, with all her money, looks like a frump, and, furhter does not seem to care!

We all know a wrinkled mess when we see it.

[NashVegas]

114. Yes?

Laura is a rich bitch who does not respect herself and has little self esteem.

So now you're a psychiatrist in addition to being a fashion consultant?

She spends more on her clothing,perhaps a hundred times more than my yearly stipend.

So? Sharon Stone puts on a Gap sweater and looks smashing. Money has little to do with it.

What I spend or how I dress, or how I have ever dressed or even how my dear mother dressed me when I was two years old, my dear Monte Crisco, has nothing to do, logically, with the conversation at hand.

Although I couldn't care less about how your momma dressed you, I happen to disagree on the relevence elsewhere. I think if you want to sit there and slam the woman for her taste in clothes, you should put forth your qualifications.

[ChemEng]

77. Kick!

[RobinA]

122. Obsession

Mariane just has this obsession with Laura Bush. Every so often he/she comes on here and throws around some nasty comments about how the woman dresses. They are pretty much all sounding the same about now. Sloppy, blah, blah, blah. She's got enough money to wear expensive clothes, blah, blah, blah. Shouldn't we expect better, blah, blah, blah.... It's a broken record from this poster.

[KFC]

41. I think you are calling for bigger tits

I would agree with you in general that big tits are great, but it may be a bit embarrassing to have a first lady with huge knockers.

[CatWoman]

42. bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Now's my chance to make Marianne go nuts.

Enjoy!!!

:hi:

Thankfully the dress looks better on the dummy:



I don't know what's going on with this outfit:




For some reason, she can't grasp the concept of a suitable fit:






Oh............my................God.........





What the hell was she thinking????



Show her how its done, Caroline:

[KFC]

58. Her tits look pretty big in the next to last picture

But a bit deflated in the others. I am confused.

[shanti]

67. that pretzel picture

is BEGGING for a caption!! why does she keep that helmet head hairdo??

[LTR]

89. More pickled Pickles pix

[usrbs]

43. I'm uneasy with criticism of looks, or style

Maybe it's because I'm such a schlump myself, maybe because some of my family has Asperger's Syndrome, and thus no fashion sense whatsoever. In this picture she is shown stepping out of a plane. I'm usually wrinkled after flights.(But I travel coach!).

Anyway, the Bushes' appalling actions, and ugly souls are much more embarrassing.

[shance]

45. This is out of line. The First Lady looks just fine.

Maybe you are just trying to be humorous, but I think Mrs. Bush looks nice. Men have the luxury of jumping into suits every day. Women, especially First Ladies are judged more often merely for the clothes they wear.

Think about it, and think about how women are so often judged on their exterior appearence versus who they are as a person, and certainly an individual.

I dont think its fair or right to unfairly target the First Lady, especially when, like it or not, she has been tremendously polite and gracious. She is not responsible for her husbands policies, George Bush is.

[Dookus]

69. I agree entirely, shance....

sadly, even a lot of feminists here engage in this kind of cheap shot attacks on Laura Bush's appearance.

Personally, I don't give her a second thought. She totally uninvolved in the issues, so I don't give a shit what she does or what she wears while doing it.

I think her husband's a jerk, though. But I've known more than one decent woman with bad taste in husbands.

[Malva Zebrina]

74. Well, I never could color or stay in the lines all of my life

and I am too old to try to learn that now.

I simply cannot feel sorry for her--no sireeeeee--no way

and if you had all that money, and were aware of your position, Asperger's or not,you can afford to pay someone to advise you, you would make an effort to take off the damn Madame butterfly, Madame Mao Tse Tung jacket while sitting or sleeping on the plane, hang it up somewhere, and then put it on again while being photographed by at least ten photographers. It don't fit--first of all. It simply don't fit! There is also something called a foundation garment that prevents the pendulous bosom from reaching the waist and makes for a more pleasing line-- And, you would certainly think to comb your hair, I am sure.

[shance]

102. Marianne - are you saying that appearance is more important than substance

Nothing used to upset me more than when I would hear someone criticize Hillary Clinton for what she wore or how she looked.

But we rarely ever hear a man being spotlighted and criticized for how they dress, (certainly their make-up**) dressing sloppily or looking disheveled. Its a double standard in our society, but more importantly its a criticism that in my opinion has little, if any thing to do with who an individual is as a person.

I understand that appearance is important, but it has become over-valued and inflated.

I believe our society has become pretty shallow and superficial in placing looks over character traits. I love looking good and dressing well, but there are times I can come to resent it because it feels as though I am being judged more for how I look versus who I am overall. Im not saying thats not a reality and yet I think its become over-valued.

I have known some of the most well-dressed people, men and women, and yet many of them didnt attract me at all from an inner level. So, to judge on appearance is in my opinion not a fair call. If someone does something or expresses opinions that are overly judgemental, unfair or harmful, then you may have a good argument or reason to criticize, otherwise to make a judgement of someone on how they dress is not fair treatment of a person when thats the only factor being judged.

[Malva Zebrina]

112. Yup, that's what I am saying

because, you know, Laura has, really, no substance at all. and I think she OWES it to us to be and look pressed and with it. At least we can expect her to care about her appearance--you know--like comb her hair and things like that.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

84. Good Point, Shance. Criticize on Deeds, Not On Looks

I find this exceeding sexist, especially on so-called progressive boards.

[DemExpat]

87. Agreed........we can always rate this woman on looks too.....

Eleanor....

DemEx

[CatWoman]

90. She may not have been a classic "beauty"

but she damn well knew how to dress.

AND address.

That woman was fucking brilliant.

And she didn't sashay around in clothes two sizes too small for her.

[DemExpat]

94. The point is....this thread is bashing Laura for her looks and

lack of style......

I'm sure that many found Eleanor's looks less than elegant too.

Yes, she was brilliant!

DemEx

[CatWoman]

96. As one who bashes Laura Bush for her lack of style

and ill-fitting clothes, I'd be the first to bash Roosevelt and any other first lady who did/does the same.

I'm sorry -- it's just not acceptable.

Even Mamie Eisenhower had more fashion sense than Laura, and wore clothes that fit.

[Malva Zebrina]

98. actually it is not bashing Laura for her looks at all

it is expressing dismay at her apparent lack of concern for her appearance, appearing in public looking like a two month, on the dirt road riding in a donkey cart, refugee, and unconcern with her appearance which she has every means at her disposal to take care of with all the money in the world to spend on it. She is not blind and certainly, if she is totally baffled, she can hire someone to be there to point out how horrible that Mao type of a thing she is wearing, is.

Maybe we can send her an e-mail with this picture in it? Would that make any difference?

There is no, absolutely no reason why she has to appear the way she does. It has nothing to do with her "looks" and everything to do with her lack of concern with her "looks".

[DemExpat]

101. I disagree......she probably likes the way she looks,

and I would wager that "most" American women, at least Republican voting women, would approve of her look....

She dresses like millions of American women, and she probably does spend a fortune on them as well...:-)

:shrug:

DemEx

[Malva Zebrina]

113. Hee--millions? Maybe millions of women in Croatia and that may be

an insult to them

spank: :beer: :toast:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

119. It's true, Dem Ex Pat

When I got to Texas or big Midwestern cities, a lot of the women dress a lot like pickles-or worse (tacky and big hair-very '80s retro).

Not to diss fashion based on geography (putting on my flame-retardent suit)...

[KFC]

106. Paris, I had no idea you posted on DU

Your Dad's hotels pretty much suck, however.

[dawn]

133. Why are we so obsessed with our first ladies' looks?

What about the presidents themselves? Why aren't they torn apart for their looks or fashion choices?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

99. I'm a fashion junkie but even a bargain-hunting, designer-addicted chick

like myself can honestly say that clothes don't change my opinion of people. What Pickles does or doesn't wear doesn't concern me.

Society pressures women to conform to certain ideals. I am disappointed-but not surprised-when I see DUers buying into and promoting this bullshit. It's usually the same ones.

[DemExpat]

103. I must say that I also could give a crap about clothes,

jewelry, hairstyles, etc.
It never has meant much to me, and never affects how I feel about a person.

DemEx

[Gemini Cat]

126. Eleanor Roosevelt was and still remains...

...one of the most beautiful women in the world.

:dem:

[Gingersnap]

129. no, Dick Cheney is responsible for Bush's policies

not Bush himself :P

[karlschneider]

52. Maybe a little "Queer eye for the straight frump" treatment........

:eyes:

[0007]

76. Jays'us christ this women could be doing so much to help children,

education, health programs.

[notadmblnd]

93. Someone should submit her name to that show on TLC

you know, "What NOT to Wear"

[Cat Atomic]

95. Laura Bush's wardrobe doesn't bother me, personally.

And I don't know her, so I haven't got much to say about her.

Her husband is a prick, though.

[Blitz]

97. Shallow, mean spirited, petty, catty

typical.

The original post. Not the First Lady.

[Malva Zebrina]

104. not nice

Blitz. If you do not like it, then I would suggest, sincerely, that you simply put the thread on ignore-you can do this by clicking on the little "x" thing after the title on the main discussion board- For some reason you have seen it appropriate to post an ad hominem and to poison the well and whatever it is, it certainly is not pleasing--in fact to me it seems to be:

pretty mean spirited, catty and and petty

[NashVegas]

107. Little Double Standard?

If you don't care for Pickles clothes, maybe you shouldn't focus on photos of her so much. Then you'd never have to see them.

PS - Still waiting for you to post evidence of your own Vogue-worthiness.

[alcuno]

110. What else does she DO?

No one here needs to justify their "Vogue-worthiness" and it's clear that Laura is no Jackie Kennedy or Eleanor Roosevelt. And no one here is the wife of * with MILLIONS of dollars at our disposal. I don't expect her to perform brain surgery or design skycrapers, but couldn't she at least find some better clothes? Can she contribute NOTHING to this country?

[KFC]

116. She could run over your ass

Or I guess spend some more money on clothes.

[Malva Zebrina]

118. I think it would be a good idea if she spent some more money

on some corsets--or, as they are known today as foundation garments. That would be uplifting

That problem of gravity seems to be a very big problem with the line of her clothes. It can be corrected easily though, and she would look a whole lot better if she would just realize that what she sees in the mirror is not a woman of twenty, but a woman past middle age with a figure leaning toward matronly parameters and just hire someone who will make clothes for her that are complimentary and do not look like they are clothes meant for a twenty year old woman--too tight, too short and too too forcing it. That would not be hard, given all her money.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

124. Maybe turn that discerning eye inward

and take a good, hard look at WHY you focus on the externals? What is lacking?

[Blitz]

111. That's rich

You start an acidic thread about a woman's clothes filled with every sort of nasty ad-hominem attack (having nothing to do with politics or ideology or character) and then accuse me of "poisoning the well." Let me employ another old standby:

That's a really nice glass house you're throwing those stones from.

Let me add another descriptive term regarding your original post in addition to shallow, mean spirited, catty and and petty:

Downright freeperish.

And no, I will not be putting you on ignore. You can expect a response when you post this sort of shallow, nasty garbage.

Note to mods: I am not saying that the DUer is a freeper. I am saying that the tone of her post is reminiscent of the type of post that often appears on Free Republic.

[economic justice]

130. Best post yet! Thanks, Blitz.

It's amazing how someone could post something like this and then expect nothing but positive feedback. I say we should leave the lady and her clothes alone ferchrisakes.

[dawn]

134. I agree with some of the others...why not show us your fashion sense?

I think it's unfair to judge unless you've got the goods. Actually, it's unfair to do it even if you DO have them.

[LTR]

100. Seperated at birth?

Tell me it's not just my imagination:

[LeahMira]

105. No taste...

Mrs. Bush needs to lose about twenty pounds or else start shopping for the next size up. The Chimp-in-Chief also looks as if he's put on a few pounds around the middle since he got that suit.

The grey wouldn't be bad if she added in another color to liven up the outfit. As it is, she looks as if she's a leftover from the army of Yugoslavia or something similarly dreary.

Yes, with all their money, one would expect both the ShRubbishes to look a little more stylish. If someone is helping them with their wardrobes, they are getting ripped off.

[smirkymonkey]

109. Maybe Shrubass likes it that way

so that he can be sure that she won't steal the attention from him. This way she just blends into the background like a good little subserviant wife should.

[eleny]

115. Honestly - what's next? Coors beer can earrings?

n/t

[Unknown Known]

117. I, myself, love Marianne's threads about Pickles

They always make me laugh my ass off!! This is a great line -

"appearing in public looking like a two month, on the dirt road riding in a donkey cart, refugee"

That's the greatest!!

And thanks to LeahMira for the new title for the * family - the "ShRubbishes"!

It fits them to a tee! Almost as good as the Mayberry Machiavellians!!

Who cares about judging Pickle Bush? She's just another useless sore who cares nothing about anything except her own private little passive hell.

Maybe if she were more like Sharon and at least tried to make voodoo dolls from her husband's hair - well, then maybe I could have a tiny bit of respect for her.

[philosophie_en_rose]

120. I don't care what she looks like.

She has a horrible sense of fashion, but I it's the Stepford factor that is so disturbing. However, I can't decide if it's authentic or if it's a Barbara Bush-like facade.

[Stuckinthebush]

127. Marianne...what will you say about Dr. Dean's wife?

As a Dean supporter, I do hope he wins. One thing I love about Dean is that he seems to have married a very together woman. His wife is not into fashion, she doesn't give a damn about what she is expected to do as First Lady, and she plans on keeping her job as a doctor.

I shudder to think of the nasty comments that may be thrown her way.

Will we support her or will we be non-hypocritical and play fashion police with her when Dean becomes the president?

[salin]

128. I would guess the latter - as it seems to be all to enticing

to some to focus on the inane and the superficial.

Here is a REAL criticism of the first lady. After the fall of Afghanistan - she goes public to "take on the case of the Afghan women". She is hailed by the media as bringing comfort and conscience to the administration.

Then she NEVER mentions it again - not after the newly opened girls' schools began to be fire bombed and quickly shut down. Not after the warlords reasserted themselves throughout the country - so out of fear most women remained in Burquas and not NOW when the Taliban appears to be gaining ground and hold in some regions of the country.

This makes it appear as though she was political window dressing used to make the administration and their policies appear noble - but demonstrating that the cause to which she spoke was not one she really gave a darn about.

Now on that front - because she took a public stand - she earns criticism. As would any first lady.

The crime of frumpy dressing? Oh Please.

[REP]

131. This Is SUCH An Important Subject!

I'm so glad that in this time if diminishing civil rights, an unjustified war, disappearing jobs, a failing educational system and healthcare is not available to all (to name just a few things) that someone has the courage to stand up and talk about what really matters: the frumpy way Laura Bush dresses. Yes, judging a woman on her appearance is the sure sign of a keen mind actively analyzing the most important issue and its effect on the lives of anxious, broke Americans.

[dawn]

132. I disagee. Who cares what she looks like?

I think she looks fine. I disagree with her choice of a husband, but I don't think there's a need to bash her about her looks.
How does she look like a slut?

How is this any different from freepers bashing Howard Dean's wife because of her looks?

[K8-EEE]

136. Yeah...

it's mean-spirited and besides the point, whether it's Laura, Chelsea, or Mrs. Dean...

[K8-EEE]

135. It Doesn't Bother Me At All

True, LB is a boring dresser. But who cares? What bothers me is her Stepford-like DUH-votion to the evil Bush clan and willingness to stick to their wacky scripts like his "love poem."

Worst LB moment ever was after London: "What protestors? I didn't see any, I so lots of American flags..."

Is she for real?

[Andy_Stephenson]

137. Didn't you hear?

Mao Suits are back in.

[Serenity-NOW]

139. Please don't be offended but...

... is this really what's occupying your thoughts?

Here are some alternate suggestions you might wish to consider as important -

Illegal war; job creation; devastation of environment; transfer of wealth.

Your energy is appreciated.

[Moderator]

140. Locking......

This post is a DU rule violation. It is sexist and the use of the word slut is prohibited.


DU Moderator