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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 08:20 PM
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can betty castor beat the GOP FL senate nominee?
She seems to have emerged as the frontrunner, although I'm not sure that's such a good thing. Better than Alcee Hastings and probably better than a disturbingly inflammatory and mean-spirited guy like Peter Deutche.

However I don't know whether Alex Penelas wouldn't be a better choice. He can get a really bad rap in liberal circles for being a centrist mayor. But I think it's worth being a centrist(and successful) mayor if he, as I beleive would end up being a John Edwards/Bob Graham type of moderate/liberal senator.

I've met and spoken to him several times, and I think he correctly knows, like Harold Ford knows, that a hard-left big-city minority cannot win a southern state, state-wide, particularly in an election year with Bush running. If you heard him speak about Bush, which he seems to focus on, on the campaign trail, it's clear he has no love for the Bushes at all.

When he spoke to my class at college, he said most of his bad press comes from one guy, Jim Defede of the Miami Herald. Defede told Penelas that he would "regret" not giving Defede a long interview when he was first running for mayor. And he's right, Defede spins everything even minorly questionable against Penelas to demonize him and never reports anything he does, (like leading the state in job growth or instituting extensive pre-kindegarden and afterschool programs) in a positive light or at all.

One thing that some on the left in FL has been throwing at him is that he was somehow behind the police overstepping their bounds at the FTAA protests. Despite the fact that Penelas went above and beyond the neccessary bounds to investigate and acost officers who broke the rules(both my roommates brothers are on the Miami PD, and said the city council democrats who are allies of Penelas have been pressuring them for firings, showing up on a bi-daily basis for weeks after the protests)

Not only that, but something at isn't hersay from me but well reported is how much of an enemy he is of FTAA organizer, and former Jeb Bush bussindess parter Armando Cordino. Penelas has been the number one person stopping people like him from growing their power in Miami Dade county.

Anyway you should consider how hard it is, as he told us, to be a prominent Cuban DEMOCRAT.
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 09:18 PM
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1. I doubt it
To be fair, I have heard her speak briefly only once, and wasn't impressed.

I do think Penelas would be the stronger candidate, plus might help draw a few extra Cuban votes for the national ticket, too.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 12:08 AM
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2. that's what I think too
He really comes off to me as someone who was meant to be a leader. And having a cuban democrat elected statewide should improve Florida politics for generations after this election
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 12:25 AM
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3. Penelas gets a "bad rap" in liberal circles ...
because he hosts fundraisers for republicans.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/jim_defede/3536450.htm


Betty gave an excellent speech at the Florida convention.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 12:42 AM
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4. he has a small number of republican allies and a load of democrat ones
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 12:43 AM by Bombtrack
that's how centrist democrats tend to operate in this country, but Defede doesn't care, because he has a grudge against Penellas, and is determined to stop his rising star.

Also, Penellas probably assumed that Mario would vote like Lincoln, who is one of the most liberal republicans in congress, would.

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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 02:19 AM
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5. bump
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 06:15 AM
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6. please keep this bumped, we need more responses
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 01:09 AM
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7. bump
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:42 AM
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8. Betty Castor...let's keep her name out there.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:47 AM
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9. Frankly, I'd be shocked if any FL Democrat wins another statewide election
as long as Jeb and his e-voting stooges are in charge.

Even after sliming his state into supporting his brother in the 2000 election, voters managed to give him a huge victory in 2002. Something smells in Florida, and it ain't the oranges or the manitees.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:32 PM
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10. McBride didn't capitalize on alot he could have
and who voters vote for for senate in a pres. election year is often different from who they will in a midterm gubinatorial race.

Who knows, Jeb might have got alot of votes from smokers?
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