Savage totally freaked out over bush illegal immigrants plan

[bobbieinok]

He said he'd probably lose his job and his book publisher for saying - ta dah.......

...The true conservatives should just vote out all the incumbent republicans; they only support themselves and corporations. If conservatives voted out the incumbent republicans then the party would be a minority again and have to listen to the citizens again.

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He had a fairly funny segment earlier last night when he said he should write the Savage easy diet book - listen to political speeches (later he mentioned bush and Dean specifically) and you won't want to eat for a week.

[GCP]

1. The local wing-nut was calling for the impeachment of Bush

yesterday.
They're frothing at the mouths over this.
I still wonder if the policy is a ploy. I can't see Congress passing it, but Bush can still say he tried to help Hispanics.

[thedudeingeorgia]

3. My thoughts precisely

That is exactly what he is going to say, and that is the reason he released his 'plan' when he did - in an election year? Bush could probably care a rat's a@# about illegal immigrants, only that they help his buddies make all of their money....

[underpants]

8. Right plus where are the Repubes going to go?

That had to be part of the calculation when Rove was working this up.

Yes Congress will water it down/let it die and W can say "but I TRIIIIIED!!"

It won't work anyway.

[RebelOne]

13. Even Hannity was ranting and raving against it.

It's the first time I've ever heard him disagree with his precious president.

[Wapsie B]

2. I'd take all this as good news.

However, will all this repug anger translate into lost votes for chimpy?
It's still a long way to November.

[Terwilliger]

4. should anyone here at DU listen to this man for any reason?

he's called for the death of all gays, and other niceities...shouldn't we just hope he loses his job and shuts his freeping hole?

[louis-t]

5. It will never pass, and he will never try to revive it.

As we all know, b*sh cares not one iota about Mexicans, Iraqis, or any immigrant period. What he cares about is votes, and keeping his corporate sponsors very happy. He hopes it will have the desired effect, but I think he will lose more votes than he gains. Watch for more of these ploys this year. They will be outrageous, controversial, and somewhat effective.

[mopinko]

6. a lesson from illinois politics

george ryan knew, on election day, that he was not going to be re-elected or succeeded by a republican. he knew that it was only a matter of time before the truth about bribery and corruption in his adminstation as sec'y of state would come out. he knew the damage he was doing to the republican party in illinois. the cold wind was blowing up his skirt.
he had to listen to the people. there is NO WAY IN HELL he would have become the great death penalty abolisionist without that breeze. no f'in way.

[DBoon]

7. True conservatives HAVE taken over California Repubs

Causing them to become a minority party winning no statewide officers.

Arnold is a coup, engineered to bring back in an electable Republican. Someone with Arnold's politics would never make it through a Republican primary in this state.

[kentuck]

9. Should Democrats stay noncommittal on this and let Repubs simmer?

It looks like Dubya has put a turd in their punch bowl...

[KharmaTrain]

10. Where Are The Wingnuts Gonna Go? This Is More Corporate Payoff

In basketball this would be the "no harm, no foul" play...if it goes in, RoveCo spins it as a "Victory For The Hispanic", if they lose, they "tried to help you poor brown-skinned domestics...now hide and go back to work...be grateful we tried".

Where's those who are pissed gonna go? Howard Dean? A third party? Who? Where? Stay home? Not when there's a "libural" and a "war on terror" going on. The anger was expected and is so far out from the election that this is the ideal time for another RoveCo. fast one, and they're doing it...with few calling his bluff.

This is the second-end of the "new world labor order" this regime is delivering to it's large corporate benefactors. The first part is ignoring the whole-scale "outsourcing" of manufacturing and service jobs to low-wage third-world countries (look at how this regime sucked up to the PRC recently)...and now it's setting up a domestic low wage system that takes the burrden off the employer in hiring and using illegals in the fields, sweatshops, meat packers, steel mills and so on...places where labor unions can be busted out with cheap immigrant labor.

I've only heard a couple mention this point (Lou Dobbs on CNN was one)...and using the immigration issue is the "Straw Man" here...using the border issue as a diversion. This is purely economic and fully consistent with this regime's policy of corporate greed and irresponsibility.

I'm certain a deal will be struck for some "guest worker" program that will be a "compromise" that will enable some immigrants to stay and others will be forced out. I'll bet the deal is already done (you don't think DeLay & Rove are beyond a stunt like this???). This whole thing will be rammed through on some appropriation, since it'll be hushed up in committee and the Democrats can't do a damn thing about it. Yep...another anal probe without vasoline.

Those screaming "bloody murder" now...those who aren't in on the spin...will be pacified later...Rove knows how to pull those strings. Don't think this is going to lead to some whole-scale GOOP splinter...it won't.

These bastards are about to get away with it again.

[Ms. Clio]

12. I'm bookmarking this post

So I can check what sounds like a depressingly accurate prediction against future events.

[Tactical Progressive]

14. Democratic tactical response

I tend to agree with you that Republicans can get away with this if they choose to fall in behind it.

That doesn't mean that Democrats can't paint it in an unappealing light, either if it goes through in which case it becomes a representative fall-guy for the larger issue of job loss, or if it doesn't in which case, like the Rove tactic that it is for the Hispanic vote, only in reverse it becomes a 'they tried to' issue for the much larger constituency of workers overall.

The Democratic response should probably be measured, not strident, and built around something like this:

- This type of policy would be fine under Clinton Democratic boom times of major job creation, but it isn't the right policy when corporations are sending jobs, and good ones now, overseas at an accelerating pace. It is exactly the wrong policy now. Much like tax cuts for the wealthy in a recession with a huge debt overhang.

- This is just more investor-class destruction of middle-class labor, exacerbating the disparity of wealth and opportunity that is splitting this country apart from the top 20% on down.

I think this is a much more dangerous move for BushCo than you seem to believe. I'm surprised that they floated it in an election year.

Just some early thoughts.

[UTUSN]

11. Bwaaaaah-haaaaah-hahahahaha! n/t