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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:51 PM
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Poll question: Is Schroedinger's cat dead or alive?
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 10:53 PM by Wonk
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:53 PM
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1. As soon as I know the answer, the answer changes
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:54 PM
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2. Other
The cat got pissed off and skipped town. The box is just sitting there empty.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:56 PM
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3. Ask Heisenberg.
:shrug:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:56 PM
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4. the answer is undefined until I peek
I think that's what it is, I may have my conundrums mixed up. :)
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:01 PM
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6. I think you're right
The act of the observation itself alters the result.

And the wierd part? You change the condition from one side of the known universe and it instantly alters the reult on the other side of the universe!

God I love this stuff!!!!!!
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:14 PM
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8. yeah, it's a mind bender alright
:crazy:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:17 PM
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9. No, observation doesn't alter the result,
because their is no "result" until the observation. Observation collapses the probability wave.

And yes indeed, that across-the-universe instantaneous affecting of states of particle pairs is totally wild.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 10:59 PM
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5. indeterminate
like the me that never finsished this sentence and fell over dead.
You open the box and the quantum cloud collapses into
a single determinate state. You get the cat you got.

I am the me that made it to the period.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:13 PM
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7. The story of Schroedinger's cat (an epic poem)
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_122.html

Dear Cecil:

Cecil, you're my final hope
Of finding out the true Straight Dope
For I have been reading of Schroedinger's cat
But none of my cats are at all like that.
This unusual animal (so it is said)
Is simultaneously live and dead!
What I don't understand is just why he
Can't be one or other, unquestionably.
My future now hangs in between eigenstates.
In one I'm enlightened, the other I ain't.
If you understand, Cecil, then show me the way
And rescue my psyche from quantum decay.
But if this queer thing has perplexed even you,
Then I will and won't see you in Schroedinger's zoo.
--Randy F., Chicago

Dear Randy:

Schroedinger, Erwin! Professor of physics!
Wrote daring equations! Confounded his critics!
(Not bad, eh? Don't worry. This part of the verse
Starts off pretty good, but it gets a lot worse.)
Win saw that the theory that Newton'd invented
By Einstein's discov'ries had been badly dented.
What now? wailed his colleagues. Said Erwin, "Don't panic,
No grease monkey I, but a quantum mechanic.
Consider electrons. Now, these teeny articles
Are sometimes like waves, and then sometimes like particles.
If that's not confusing, the nuclear dance
Of electrons and suchlike is governed by chance!
No sweat, though--my theory permits us to judge
Where some of 'em is and the rest of 'em was."
Not everyone bought this. It threatened to wreck
The comforting linkage of cause and effect.
E'en Einstein had doubts, and so Schroedinger tried
To tell him what quantum mechanics implied.
Said Win to Al, "Brother, suppose we've a cat,
And inside a tube we have put that cat at--
Along with a solitaire deck and some Fritos,
A bottle of Night Train, a couple mosquitoes
(Or something else rhyming) and, oh, if you got 'em,
One vial prussic acid, one decaying ottom
Or atom--whatever--but when it emits,
A trigger device blasts the vial into bits
Which snuffs our poor kitty. The odds of this crime
Are 50 to 50 per hour each time.
The cylinder's sealed. The hour's passed away. Is
Our pussy still purring--or pushing up daisies?
Now, you'd say the cat either lives or it don't
But quantum mechanics is stubborn and won't.
Statistically speaking, the cat (goes the joke),
Is half a cat breathing and half a cat croaked.
To some this may seem a ridiculous split,
But quantum mechanics must answer, "Tough @#&!
We may not know much, but one thing's fo' sho':
There's things in the cosmos that we cannot know.
Shine light on electrons--you'll cause them to swerve.
The act of observing disturbs the observed--
Which ruins your test. But then if there's no testing
To see if a particle's moving or resting
Why try to conjecture? Pure useless endeavor!
We know probability--certainty, never.'
The effect of this notion? I very much fear
'Twill make doubtful all things that were formerly clear.
Till soon the cat doctors will say in reports,
"We've just flipped a coin and we've learned he's a corpse."'
So saith Herr Erwin. Quoth Albert, "You're nuts.
God doesn't play dice with the universe, putz.
I'll prove it!" he said, and the Lord knows he tried--
In vain--until fin'ly he more or less died.
Win spoke at the funeral: "Listen, dear friends,
Sweet Al was my buddy. I must make amends.
Though he doubted my theory, I'll say of this saint:
Ten-to-one he's in heaven--but five bucks says he ain't."

--CECIL ADAMS
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:32 PM
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12. Love it!
:D
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:22 PM
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10. Yes
it is.

dp
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drb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:22 PM
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11. The correct answer is, of course....
...."Yes."
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 11:41 PM
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13. Both.
The cat's wave-function contains both solutions. :)
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 12:50 AM
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14. ::sings: The cat is both alive and dead...
Undead undead undead...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 02:19 AM
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15. the cat is ABSURD
I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but the Schroedinger's Cat dilema is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Nothing can be both dead and alive at the same time. The cat is either dead or alive. It is true we cannot know if it's dead or alive until the door is opened, but THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S DEAD AND ALIVE AT THE SAME TIME!
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:09 AM
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16. I don't know, but that Schroedinger was one sick bastard. . .
to put a cat in a box in the first place :) :) :)
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:37 PM
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17. The fate of the Cat is in Your Hands,
Plus, as an added bonus, "A wet bird does not fly at night".
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 01:47 PM
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18. The Answer Is Yes
That's the point of the question. It's to reinforce the concepts of relative uncertainty and absolute unknowability. So the answer to "Is it dead or alive?" is "Yes".
The Professor
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