Hey NY Football Giants fans....

[tjwash]

Stick a fork in Eli Manning...he is done. The problem is not that he is an egocentric crybaby, from a family of egocentric crybabies who thinks his s**t does not stink. The real problem is that he was touched by the San Diego Chargers, and thus is destined to be a bust.

Sorry guy's, he's Todd Marinovich, he's Ryan Leaf, he's Gino Torretta.

Ahhh, my beloved bolts are destined to suck again this year. You know how bad it has gotten with the Chargers? The BENGAL FANS are laughing at us now....

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. Do not forget....he's another Tony Mandarich

Go Packers!

[Renew Deal]

2. You must be kidding.

I think you were hit in the head with too many snow-balls the last time you visited Giants Stadium.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. I always thought Peyton Manning was overrated

Personally, I don't think he's that much better than Chad Pennington - he just has a slightly better arm.

From the clips I've seen of Eli, he looks like a strong thrower with accuracy. But he's going to need an O-line and a running back to help him out.

Oh, and if I can add...

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

[jobycom]

6. You don't think Payton proved himself last year?

I mean, he still choked in the end-- he is still a Manning. But didn't you think he improved greatly last year over previous years? I've always thought he was all name and no skill, too, but some of his comebacks last year were miraculous. It'll be interesting to see what happens from now on.

And, um, GO COWBOYS! (I'm not sure where they will go, but I feel the need to be loyal, nonetheless.)

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. yeah but

He was good, but he's also playing with the best possession receiver in football.

I'm not saying Manning is a stiff, just that he's a B+ quarterback who has A+ hype surrounding him.

I'd say he's on Chad Pennington's level. Good, solid, fundamental. But he's no John Elway or even a Michael Vick.

[phillybri]

4. Eli and Archie are assholes....

Fuck them...:grr:

[jobycom]

5. Actually, they are very decent people who made a bad choice

Archie went too far trying to protect his kid, and his kid went too far trying to honor his father. Stupid choice (especially since Eli will have no better results in NY than in SD), but it hardly means that everything they are should be reduced to obscene insults.

Unlike Bush and his crew.

[mouse7]

9. No, they aren't

There's evidentally some Kobe-like accusations against Peyton that got buried by the Mannings.

[jobycom]

39. Hm. I'd need to hear more about that

That would through a wrinkle into my opinion of Dad and Payton. I'd have to see the charges, though. I grew up around Archie, and from what I've seen, he's a decent bloke. I'm sure I haven't seen everything, though.

[phillybri]

24. Whatever...Eli's a punk...

Philip Rivers will be a better quarterback in the long run...

[jobycom]

38. Not in SD. Rivers got the short end of that one

In San Diego, Rivers is going to look like anyone else passing through there. Put he and Eli on the same team, and I'd say you are right. But Eli has a team, and a front office that is trying. He will do better despite himself.

My wife and I were joking about Rivers on Sunday. We decided he's the Dave the Barbarian QB. Dave is a cartoon barbarian who spends most of the show screaming and running for his life. That will be Rivers. If he does anything there, he is truly a great quarterback.

[Commendatori]

18. I have no problem with Eli

not wanting to play for SD or even making it vocal, but I have a big problem with Archie thinking he has enough wieght to pull that bullshit off. He was a below average QB (67.1 career rating, 125 TD, 173 INT) from a bad team, that's it - he's no Joe Montana. Now he'll come across like the Williams sisters' father, Brooke Sheilds' mother, etc.

Worst off, every time Eli gets tackled or sacked he's going to hear "aw, do you need a hug from your daddy?" jokes. Archie played in the NFL and should know better - he set his son up to be a locker room bitch just so that he could feel important again. What an asshole.

[denverbill]

7. I actually watched the draft Saturday morning. It was funny as hell.

SD announces their pick, Manning, who trudges gloomily up to the podium, forced smile glued in place, and poses for picture after picture of him holding a SD jersey.

[mouse7]

28. Compare Eli and LeBron

Lebron had been sentenced to the Cavs, one of the worst teams in NBA history, and LeBron just grinned and accepted the challenge.

Must suck to be a Giants fan today and look at 18 year old LeBron showing up their new QB so bad.

[mouse7]

8. San Diego took the Giants to cleaners on Manning trade

Rivers and Manning are too close in ability. Chargers took the Giants to the cleaners on the trade. 3 extra draft choices including a 1st rounder next year. Way, way, way to much to give up.

My prediction on Eli? He'll be an above average regular season QB who chokes in big games and playoffs. Just like Archie. Just like Peyton.

[Emboldened Chimp]

13. Manning is the next TOM BRADY

the Giants have needed a quartback for years. Collins sucked, as did Dave Brown (god, remember that ass clown?) The Giants are still a young team; they have a good running game, good line and a brusing defense. If they've got the QB to lead them, as they do in Manning, then I think they'll have a great season.

[mouse7]

14. Eli will be the next Elvis Grbac

Lots of big numbers against crappy teams, and then a no-show in important games.

[northzax]

16. um, Tom Brady was a fifth round pick

woh took over a battered team and suprised everyone. But he did replace a number one pick who had a cannon but no leadership skills, kinda like one Eli Manning, come to think of it. Would you really pay millions of dollars to someone who almost cried in shame during the draft? who had to be rescued by his father? Do you think Brett Favre would have almost teared up there? or John Elway? or Joe Montana? no, they would have mentally told everyone to fuck off and smiled, knowing they were about to prove everyone wrong. Manning stood up there like a scared kid who was out of his depth, until his father came along to rescue him. memo to Giants: Archie won't be in the huddle with the kid after Lavar Arrington turns him into mush, does he have the cojones to stand up alone? I don't know that I'da staked millions and two first rounders on that.

[Emboldened Chimp]

20. The comparison was meant...

to refer to Brady being a rookie when he won his first super bowl.

[northzax]

23. right, but the two have nothing in common

brady was a man. Manning is a child.

[Emboldened Chimp]

26. Well, he might suck at handling business affairs

but he can sure throw the old pigskin!

[northzax]

32. so could Jeff George

but he wasn't a leader. Guys with cannons are a dime a dozen, and if that's all that mattered, you'd think New England would have kept bledsoe (generational arm) and ditched Brady (simply average, for the NFL)

Guts matter, leadership matters in the final string of things. It's why Peyton hasn't won anything yet, despite being brilliant, it's why Dan Marino never won, despite being brilliant. at some point, you have to walk your team through the fire. Somes can do it, somes can't. I'm not saying Eli can't, sometime in the future, but he sure as hell doesn't look ready now.

[tjwash]

33. It's the mental aspect that's gonna get him.

Right after he demanded that he play for the Giants, and got it handed to him, he became toast. New York, New York is no place for a kid just out of his teens to be handed that kind of expectation. Where he would have gotten the benefit of the doubt for being a rookie, or sophomore, he is going to get mercilously criticized now for every dropped pass, every fumbled snap, every bad read of a defense. He opened his mouth WAYYYYY to wide and stuck both feet in it.

[mouse7]

34. Memphis - choke. Texas Tech - choke. LSU - choke.

Yeah, he sure throws the old pigskin... to the other team.

Giants have handed their whole future to a 5th year senior who couldn't guide an SEC team past Memphis. Yeah... he's a stud. *giggle*

[Ishoutandscream]

15. Agreed. Terrible trade for New York

And also agreed about Archie. Way overrated. Disagree about Peyton, however.

[BOSSHOG]

11. GIANTS FANS WILL BE ELI FANS IN A YEAR

He's not Leaf, Marinovich etc. Giants are lucky, just don't know it. The Manning family, son, father and mom showed more class in a few minutes on the stage than Giant fans deserve for the rest of his career.

In the Sports Universe, hypocrisy will soon be the first, middle, last name of the big bad badass fans of the ny giants.

[mouse7]

12. No. They won't.

Giants won't win a big game for the next two decades. Next year this time, they'll be bitching about the superstar the Chargers got with the Giants high #1 pick.

[BOSSHOG]

17. I guess will have to wait and see if Eli turns out to be a

failure, just like his Dad and just like his Brother. This time next year giants fans will be bitching about losing the division to the Eagles again but it won't be Eli's fault. And this time next year, Chargers fans will once again be waiting for "next" year. giant fans proved themselves to be tacky lil bitches, and next year the punks will all be wearing number TEN.

[tjwash]

21. Hell, I've been waiting for next year since...

...that POS Alex Spanos bought the team in the mid eighties, and ran it in to the ground. What an assclown that guy is, first thing he did was get rid of Don Coryell.

They have not been worth a damn since then.

[northzax]

22. you're right, it won't be Eli's fault

he won't play this year. he's not emotionally ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, he proved that last week. And he'd better get good enough, quick enough, to make up for the high draft pick his team gave up next year (let's see, a first rounder, in a dividion with the Cowboys (better) the Eagles (much better) and the Redskins (better) the Giants, in all onesty, will be lucky to go 6-10. they just got manning for two top ten draft picks. you really think he's worth that?

[mouse7]

25. Eli doesn't even have LeBron's class and composure

LeBron was drafted by one of the worst teams in NBA history, and LeBron just smiled and accepted the challenge... and LeBron was 18 year old that hadn't attended college drafted by the Cavs.

[northzax]

19. class? class is telling someone "no thanks, "

when they are about to make you a multi-millionaire, and give you the highest honor the NFL can bestow on someone entering the league? a number one pick? worth tens of millions of dollars? and you tell them: no thanks, I'm too good to play for your team? and then they draft you, and you are the only first round pick who doesn't put on the team hat? EVERY DRAFT PICK WEARS THE TEAM HAT AND SMILES. it's called being a professional, and being named by the professionals as the best player at your position. By my count, the NFL selected 256 players this weekend. and probalby 50 more signed as undrafted rookies. so let's say 300 people. And you were just named the best of all of them. And you can't smile for the fucking cameras? There's some kid crying in his living room because his dream of getting drafted was fufilled in the 7th round, he's getting a signing bonus that won't buy him a toyota, and he's thrilled, and you can't fucking smile? Some other guy is crying because his lifelong dream of getting drafted slipped by, he wasn't one of the chosen 256, and you can't smile at being number one? that isn't class, that's being a pissant. Although it does fit in well with the fans in New York, come to think of it.

[BOSSHOG]

29. Eli didn't reject anything the Chargers offered,

the Chargers traded him. And, just why would someone get selected in the 7th round instead of the first? And just why would a kid not get selected? And did the Chargers profit from the trade? And if Eli's a pissant why such a tustle for his services? Why did the Giants trade for him? Just let the lil prick not play ball. That would have made room for number 257. And why did the giants classless goons boo his mother? Trying to upstage Eagle fans? Never happen. They'll (giant fans) continue to be second rate fans in a first rate city. And they'll be BIG Eli fans very, very soon.

Look at me wearing Number TEN. Yo Eli, you da man....

[northzax]

35. uh, the whole thing started

when the Chargers called him, or his agent, to being negotiations, and he told them he didn't want to play for them. Which is fine, but when they draft you anyway, look happy for the honor you have received. You are about to fufill the dream of a lifetime for millions, playing in the NFL. smile.

[BOSSHOG]

37. You're right. Smile while Neanderthals belittle your mother

on national TV; and some dumbass hairbrain with a microphone asks you how you feel while the boos continue. I'd have a big ole smile on my face. Eli is class. giant fans are chumps, BUT THAT'S OKAY. The giants and the Chargers will benefit from the happenings. But let me resort to a cliche - time will tell.

And please pray tell, why does one get selected in the 7th round?

[tjwash]

27. He's Todd Marinovich.

Todd's dad pulled the same exact bullshit to make sure that he got Al Davis to get him on the raiders, and the guy was a flop, who also failed several drug tests to boot. The problem is, the NFL is a league for grownups, and Peyton's daddy will not be there when he starts to show his immaturity, like EVERY QB (with the exception of Dan Marino) does their first two or three years in the league.

Hey guys, I hope he IS mentally tough, and can take the pressure of being the teams savior, because "he ain't in Kansas no more". New York is a rough place to be under THAT kind of pressure, and fail...

[BOSSHOG]

31. Yeah, gotta love all the pressure those awesome giant

fans put on their team. Hopefully the giant fans can live up to their self created false hype. Put that intense gotham pressure on Eli - make a diamond.

Gotta love that wacky giant fan pressure.

[mouse7]

36. Forget Giants Stadium. Eli choked against Memphis.

Giants fans are gonna love watching Eli toss the ball to the defensive backs of all the other teams of the NFC East.

[Awsi Dooger]

40. Marinovich had a pop-gun arm

It was so weak that at USC he wouldn't even throw the Hail Mary passes at the end of the first half or game, in fear of demonstrating how pathetic his arm strength was. At least five times he alowed himself to be sacked or threw a ridiculous dump off pass in that situation.

Marinovich's last game in the NFL, an opposing defensive lineman said "their quarterback was throwing ducks. I've never seen an arm that bad in the NFL."

The hysterical mythology will always be that Todd Marinovich failed due to parental pressure, drugs, etc. The truth will always be that his left arm was never NFL caliber to begin with.

[leodem]

30. I hate pro football now...

Always have been a huge fan of College but now I just make sure I watch the games on Saturday and not Sunday.

In my mind the NFL has kinda gotten kinda like the NBA did a few years ago by trying that too colorful look. I mean come on, the Detroit Pistons giving up blue and red for that ugly ass turquoise color. At least the NBA has found it's old school roots.

I also heard there was a new rule added where the defensive backs can not touch the wide outs now at all. I was loling at that, just make the toughest position in the game even harder.

Guess there is only time for Eli to prove himself, and hey, he might be Limbaugh's savior against the dreaded black quarterback. :)