Question About "Stolen Jobs"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

My work is based in NYC. After a certain point at night the phones are forwarded to a call center in California. Now I am a hundred percent sure that there are New Yorkers who are willing to work night shifts.

Do New Yorkers have a valid complaint that their jobs are being stollen by Californians?

[ProfessorGAC]

1. I'll Say No

New Yorkers (as well as every other state's denizens) benefit in the long run from people in California having jobs, just as those folks in Cali benefit from New Yorkers having jobs. They pay taxes from which all americans benefit in some way. Just as you folks in New York do, and we all benefit from that.

When the more critical issue is the offshoring (not outsourcing) of jobs, worrying about which state has which jobs is non-starter.

Besides, you would have to look at the number of employed, determine whether the market would be oversaturated (more people than jobs in that locale), while making the false assumption that EVERYONE wants ANY job. So, it's not truthful, fair, or logical to make the leaps in logic required to assume that one state is stealing jobs from another.

The Professor

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. well i am not sure if you are aware

that nyc has a HUGE job crisis. i personally know at least 5 people who will work over night shifts.

[tjwash]

5. This guy is absolutely right...

We need you guys out there, we have a HUGE contract that is being negotiated right now, for the NYSE that is going to be millions in revenue for the entire company when it gets finalized.

It's the overseas outsourcing that is killing us.

[tjwash]

3. Be thankful that ALL of the work has not been forwarded....

...to India yet. If you are in a call center I feel for you, because most of those are disappearing quickly here. And I am in California. I have also had a slew of clients disappear because of just that. And those bullshit reasons given by the CEO's :grr:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. my argument is that for new yorkers

does it matter whether the job went to california or india?

[tjwash]

6. Yes, actually it does matter.

In California, they are forced to pay a living wage, and abide by strict environmental restrictions, among other things. What you need to ask you're CEO is WHY they moved the work out to California, because it is probably not the cost factor. It is very costly to do business out here, but the talent pool for high tech is extremely vast. Is it because of the proximity to the silicon valley? Are they getting a tax break for moving the jobs out there? Did they negotiate a lower cost contract with a vendor out here? Did people got complacent, and choose not to upgrade their skills while they had the chance? Did the company make the option upgrading ones skills available?

It's a very tough question to answer without more data.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. i know its a cost related issue

the people at our particular call center do not need to have any more tech knowledge than a high school grad.

i know they moved it their for the exact reason people move jobs to india

[tjwash]

9. Hmm, interesting. Speaking of CEO's...

...I have to go to a meeting, but would love to take this offline with you, email my DU mailbox a little later.

[Laszlo_Hollyfeld]

8. If New York

is not ready to secede from the Union and declare itself an independent nation then it shouldn't.

Californians are hurting for work, too. And there are California firms and industries who source their work to New York. I'm not sure anyone's done a study, but wouldn't it bother you to raise a stink and then find that California sent New York more work than it took?