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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:56 PM
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I just watched The Lion in Winter, ask me anything!
Great, great film. How did O'Toole not get the Oscar for this, or get knighted yet? If Harris got a knighthood, and Burton, why not O'Toole?
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:04 PM
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1. I agree...many PERFECT performances in that movie.
Katherine Hepburn actually tied with Barbra Streisand for the Oscar that year. O'Toole was robbed, but I don't remember Richard Burton's being knighted. He never won an Oscar, either. What's your favorite quote from "The Lion in Winter"? Mine is: "Ignore the dragon in the doorway."
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:16 PM
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2. "Light a match and let's see."
Response by Richard (Anthony Hopkins) after John says "My God if I were on fire no one would piss on me to put out the flames."
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:19 PM
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3. You're right
Burton wasn't knighted, my brain's playing tricks on me.

BTW, TLIW lost to "Oliver!" for best picture, and O'Toole lost to Cliff Robertson for his immortal performance in "Charly". :eyes:

"Oliver!" also won for director.

Some trivia:

Hepburn actually is descended from Eleanor.
And that was Timothy Dalton's first (and likely best) performance on film.

Most of my quotes are from O'Toole, of course. A sampling, culled from IMDB:

"Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everyone."

"I've snapped and plotted all my life. There's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at once."

"I found out the way your mind works and the kind of man you are. I know your plans and expectations - you've burbled every bit of strategy you've got. I know exactly what you will do, and exactly what you won't, and I've told you exactly nothing. To these aged eyes, boy, that's what winning looks like!"

And probably my favourite exchange:

Henry: The Vexin's mine.
Philip: By what authority?
Henry: It's got my troops all over it; that makes it mine.



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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:53 PM
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6. Hepburn tied with Streisand????
Does anybody else find this hilarious?

What was Barbra's flick?

How do you think the Patrick Stewart/Glenn Close remake compares?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:11 PM
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10. Streisand won for "Funny Girl"
Hepburn owned that Oscar for "Lion in Winter" the one she didn't deserve was for "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?", she really has a nothing role in that. Tracy had much more to do in that one.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:40 PM
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4. "I'd hang you from my nipples, but you'd shock the children"
Eleanor, while looking in the mirror and trying on her jewelry.

"Love me or leave me, little man" Eleanor to her gay son, Richard.

"Just give me a little peace" Henry
"How about eternal peace? There's a concept" Eleanor's response.

I love that movie, it's my absolute favorite of all time.

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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:43 PM
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5. "These things happen in the best of families"
Kate had some amazing deadpan lines! I love the movie!

Did anyone see the remake that was broadcast on some cable channel recently?
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:53 PM
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7. ick
I can't imagine needing a remake, or wanting to see one. Is Hollywood that bereft of ideas, that they must do new versions of near-perfect films? Whatever happened to just stealing the ideas and doing new films?
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:06 PM
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8. Did you know O'Toole is 26 years YOUNGER than Hepburn?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:10 PM
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9. Henry II was about 16-17 years younger than Eleanor
IIRC, so it's period appropriate.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:14 PM
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yeah...she rocked!
Wealthiest heiress in Europe
Married to King of France, bore him two daughters
Divorced/Marriage annulled from him after supposedly cuckolding him with her own uncle in the crusade on the holy land..and failing to bear a son.
Married Henry and became Queen of England and bore him many healthy sons and daughters....

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:14 PM
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11. yeah...she rocked!
Wealthiest heiress in Europe
Married to King of France, bore him two daughters
Divorced/Marriage annulled from him after supposedly cuckolding him with her own uncle in the crusade on the holy land..and failing to bear a son.
Married Henry and became Queen of England and bore him many healthy sons and daughters....

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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:19 PM
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13. Wow! I didn't know that. Thanks! (n/t)
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:18 PM
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12. I love that movie!
One of my favorite exchanges of all time is when someone says, "he's got a knife!" Eleanor responds, "It's the 14th Century, we ALL have knives. We're barbarians!!"

However, the exchange between Henry and Eleanor regarding eternal peace is a close second. I love the way they smile and nod at the subjects while they are walking and saying it!

Laura
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:21 PM
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14. I Loved That Movie... I Just Recorded The Glenn Close Version
from HBO (showtime?)... haven't watched it yet. Have you seen it? Was it any good? The previews looked promising.

-- Allen
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:24 PM
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16. I saw part of it the other night
It seemed to be well done.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:29 PM
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17. I suppose it could be okay
But O'Toole and Hepburn are so damned good in these roles, I can't imagine needing to do another version.

OTOH, we keep doing Shakespeare in new versions.

OTOOH, this isn't a Shakespearean play. It's a film.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:24 PM
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15. "Hush dear, mummy's fighting..." n/t
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:58 PM
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18. Just one more: "Let's fool them all and live forever."
"Tusk to tusk throughout eternity."
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:26 PM
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19. "Well, what shall we hang? The holly or each other"?
Another HUGE fan of this fabulous, fabulous film. Everything about this film is right and perfect. From the performances to John Barry's magnificent score.
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