Dense, uneducated, brainwashed...

[DarkPhenyx]

...GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

My RW coworker finally pushed it. I was ok with his being a stubborn jackass. I even thought his calling me anti-American, after saying "let's not get personal about this", was cute. But I refused to conceed a historic fact and explained "no, we can't agree to disagree on a fact. We can agree that you are wrong." At this point I started walking away, and after the door closed behind me I hear him say "he is such an asshole." This being said to the other people standing outside. I turned back around and can already hear him, through the glass door, saying "if you are coming back out here to argue just march your ass righ on around." That did it. My, less than politic response, was "I'm an asshole? You are the one that called me anti-American and I'm that asshole? Fuck You!"

I'm probably gonna hear about this one today. *grumble*

[SCDem]

1. Wow! Where do you work?

What an open (but uneducated) environment. Here it is passive agressive, no one confronts anyone except once in a while.

[DarkPhenyx]

5. Small research company.

we're doing anti-cancer research.

[CO Liberal]

11. Sounds Like the Cancer is in Your Co-Worker's Brain

Unfortunately, I work with a bunch of those, too.

[Spinzonner]

2. This why talking about politics and religion

at work is not a good idea, especially with people who you know disagree with you.

Even if you "win" you can end up losing something more important.

[DarkPhenyx]

4. He's not in my division...

...so I'm not overly concerned. We only have to work together on a rare occassion.

[displacedtexan]

3. Fact v Opinion...

You're correct! You can't argue facts... unless you're too pig ignorant not to know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

I'm sure there's something in the personnel manual regarding verbal abuse and name calling. (If not, contact the Equal Opportunity Employment folks for info.)

A polite note to that effect might be in order.

[loftycity]

6. Good for you DarkPhenyx

If we were talking politics for the last 40 years in the office, anywhere,etc.
We wouldn't be in this mess. The re-pukes got just what they wanted.
And now we are ruled by our inferiors.
Keep talking. You can go any where else in the world and the main topic of conversation is politics and in any setting.
It is such a bunch of crap "Oh, Don't talk about politics while you are out." Miss Manners sure helped the agenda.

[Sporadicus]

7. The Extent of My Political Involvement at Work

I have a print of mopaul's handiwork on the wall of my cubicle - *'s grim visage peering out from a commode, captioned 'visualize W gone' (and I do...every single day). Neither of my closest coworkers has commented about it, nor do I. We're apolitical here for the most part, and that suits me fine. The closest I've been to political dialogue at work consisted of being within earshot of two people about a month after the invasion of Iraq. One fellow asked a national guard lifer his opinion, and he answered, 'I wish I was over there.' In the meantime, he has retired from the guard, and I've never heard anything remotely political from him since.

[VelmaD]

8. GO YOU!!!

If you get shit from the boss you just let me know and I'll come administer a shovel beating on your behalf.

:hug:

[MallRat]

9. What was the fact in question?

I'm curious... just want to see how off-the-wall your coworker was.

-MR

[DarkPhenyx]

10. Rev war military tactics.

He says that the US didn't use linear tactics and fought entirely with guerrilla tactics. When I refuted his statement he accused me of the "usual Liberal revisionist history." From there on it kinda got ugly.

[MallRat]

12. What's so partisan about military tactics?

It's true that many militia and even the Continental Army did use some guerrila tactics, but they did plenty of "traditional" firing line-type fighting as well.

I still don't get what's so "Liberal revisionist" about what you said.

-MR

[DarkPhenyx]

14. Well of course we were all taught in school...

...that only the Brits were stupid enough to stand in a line and fire at the smarter Americans who were hiding behind rocks and trees and all that.

The reality is more that the major engagements were fought using traditional tactics, with a few snipers as a harassing force. The weapons of the time simply didn't allow for individual tactics. Massed fire was the only way to ensure that you had effective fire that had aeven a remote chance of hitting your target...or at least the target next to yours.

Linear tactics were still in use during the Civil War. Muskets, and even early rifles, had crappy accuracy.

AS to why it's "Liberal revisinism"? Becasue he is a RW idiot who believes anything I say about history, politics, or religion is obviously propaganda and lies. He also listens to Rush Limbaugh and nods in time to the droning voice from the box.

[Bertha Venation]

15. Sounds to me like he's memorized "The Patriot"

with Mel Gibson, and applied a few fictional battles as taught by that character to his fictional troops to the entire Revolutionary War.

[DarkPhenyx]

18. I thought his brain was going to explode...

...when I began to tell him that Valley Forge wasn't the "horrible hardship" we all got taught in school. It was...something else.

[Bertha Venation]

19. my brain won't explode, but yours might when I tell you that

I don't know what you mean. Educate me?

[DarkPhenyx]

20. GW...

...executed a nice bit of political propaganda to shore up his position back North. He sent a battlefield communication saying that things were horrible at VF. Up North, it actually was a pretyt harsh winter. In VA though, while it was cold, it wasn't the blizzard conditions with troops freezing and starving that Washington claimed. They had food, and adequate clothing. This version has been backed up by archeo-climatoligists, and other sources. In fact if you ask at the VF historic site they are usually happy to talk to you about it if they know the story. The official version is still told on all the exibits however.

There was a great show on the History Channel called "Debunking History". If you ever get a chance to catch it, particualrly this episode, I highly recommend it.

[Bertha Venation]

21. Cool. Thanks a bunch.

I'll check it out. Going to the library today; wonder if I can find anything there.

Thanks again.

[DarkPhenyx]

22. No problem.

It's amazing some of the things we were taught way back in the day.

[Bunny]

23. Isn't Valley Forge in PA?

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but are you saying that things were not that bad in Virginia? If so, how does that relate to the weather in Pennsylvania? I'm confused.

Maybe it's that second glass of wine I'm drinking?!

[DarkPhenyx]

24. Should have typed PA.

I was writting at work and have to speed type. Needless to say my accuracy goes to hell when I am. :)

[BiggJawn]

17. They didn't use "Linear Tactics"???

I would love to hear his explanation of just exactly what tactic was being used in WWI trench warfare, and at the Battle of the Bulge?

"Liberal revisionist History"? did he get that from Savage Weiner?

[Ganja Ninja]

13. We're mad as hell and we aren't going to take it any more.

It's fortunate for me I don't have any RW a-holes trying to debate me at work. I think it might be all I would need to set me off.

[tjwash]

16. I don't talk to a lot of the people here at my job.

They are all a bunch of wingnut executives. It is real hard to bite my tongue sometimes though, like when I hear someone talking about the welfare moms in Cadillacs urban myth like it is fact.

I would rather just talk to you folks...