Is OJ guilty?

[Renew Deal]

It's the 10 year anniversary of the OJ related murders. He seems to be in the press this weekend for the celebration. Do you think OJ is guilty of the murders?

[Taverner]

1. Define Guilty

Did he do it? Yes
Did the cops salt the scene? Yes

[Deja Q]

3. I knew at the time the jury would find him 'not guilty'.

I recall a lot of people surprised over the incident.

I wasn't.

On one hand, a vote for guilty would have been a vote for justice.

However, there's been a larger injustice over the last couple of centuries.

I am ambivalent on the issue.

[Blue-Jay]

6. Ambivalent?!?

It's OK that a murderer walks in your world?

He did it and you KNOW he did it! The fact that other injustices have been perpetrated has no bearing on his guilt. A killer walks free and you're apparently OK with that.

I see....

[qanda]

7. A murderer runs our country

Somehow I don't think OJ getting off is quite the tragedy it's made out to be.

[Blue-Jay]

10. Each is a tragedy.

A murderer that kills one person is no less of a murderer.

OJ: should be behind bars.
GW: should be behind bars.

Whether you kill one or 50 thousand, you should be brought to justice.

[Deja Q]

14. The whole human race is nothing but a race of killers.

Lots of killers walk free.

Lots of innocent people do jail time or worse for crimes they didn't commit but were perceived to have been the perpetrators because of circumstantial evidence or political corruption.

Starting with 1963, lots of Democratic/Liberal people have been murdered, the latest victim being Paul Wellstone. The very people who could have done something to this cesspool of a country we live in, to elevate it to the rest of the civilized Western world (Canada, England, et al). You can bet your sweet bippy that conservatives were the culprits for those murders every single time.

Every one of us to some extent is a murderer, like it or not. Ever eat an animal for sustenance? You killed. How far do you want to take the argument?

I sure am hell as not okay with what OJ did. I'm sure as hell not okay with how this world is being ran and how it is laughingly called "organized".

But I can't do jack shit about it. Any of it. Neither can you. What should we do? Lose our sanity together? Jump off a cliff even and then have nothing to go insane over? You tell me. That's why I am ambivalent. Those who voted 'Not guilty' did so politically, proudly waving their middle finger up and showing the world the truth about itself.

There is no such thing as justice. Not until we get people who have a fucking brain cell devoted to true justice and wipe the slate clean so we all, ALL OF US, start with a clean slate. And with the people in power and control being the very antithesis of justice who are also poising the future to be ran by more such degenerates, apart from filling out a ballot in November, there's nothing we can do. And, indeed, how many people will still want to remember the past and not be a part of a "new order", pardon my very poor choice of words?

Or do you have a solution as to how to make the world right? I don't. I'm quite the social feeb, I haven't a clue about people. You clearly do. All I know is, reality is fucked and I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe where it ain't fucked.

[Blue-Jay]

16. I don't disagree with most of your statements, Hypno...

In fact, you're one of the people that I've always respected here. Sure, there are more important and relevant issues that affect us all. No arguement there.

No, I don't have a magic solution to the many ills of the world. I was merely addressing a single topic. That being, OJ is a fucking murderer.

Certainly, on a grander scale, his crimes are of limited importance. However, don't confuse my position on the guilt of one as being indifferent with regards to the guilt of others, regardless of the scale of the crime.

[Blue-Jay]

4. Is he guilty? No.

Is he a murderer? YES!

Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fucking loon. Perhaps, he's still on the trail of the "real killers".... I doubt he'll find them on a Florida golf course, however.

[HawkerHurricane]

9. Always said...

The LAPD framed a guilty man.

[0007]

2. Sheesh!

[Florida_Geek]

5. 100 NG Jason his son killed her

Same shoe size and he had no alibi for 2 hours around the time of her death.

[AndyTiedye]

13. We Know Officer Mark Furman Planted Evidence

because that's what he always did, and he was proud of it -- even bragged about it!
Therefore we cannot trust the state's "evidence" -- it is irreparably tainted.
So he has to go free, guilty or not, because we can no longer ascertain his guilt or innocence.

If that has caused a murderer to go free, Ex-officer Furman has that on his conscience.

Bad cops often cause criminals to go free, either by contaminating the prosecution's case,
as happened here, or by railroading some innocent slob with a public defender, while the
real perpetrator gets away scot-free.

Was OJ guilty or innocent? We will probably never know, thanks to bad cops.

[Pithlet]

26. Yep.

I strongly suspect that OJ did it, but you can't convict based on tampered evidence.

[El Supremo]

8. And * is innocent of murdering thousands. n/t

[galadrium]

11. Yes, guilty

[MrSlayer]

12. Of course.

And what a scumbag he is making those comments about Nicole and Mr. Goldman. I'm sure he'll find the "real killers" any day now, just another few hundred more golf courses to scour. What a disgusting, pathetic excuse for a person he is.

[Ernesto]

15. Golf courses located in Floriduh, that is

The only state that legally protects his estate from law suits.

[Leprechan29]

17. I don't know

But was slightly inclined to vote no (ended up not doing that) because, lets face it: He was cleared by a court of law and that decision should be accepted.

[nini]

18. did you see Robert Kardashian's reaction when the verdict was read?

that said it ALL.

that bastard took what he knew to his grave.

[Senior citizen]

19. I think OJ is guilty of being the 1st Black man in the history

of the United States to kill a white woman and get off on a technicality.

The "history" is that untold numbers of Blacks have been lynched for and convicted of crimes against white women that they never committed, while untold numbers of whites have committed crimes against Blacks and gotten off (Dred) Scott free because of biased juries.

Do I worry about yet another murderer roaming free in this violent country? No, there are so many that one more isn't much at all.

Do I think that white people should continue to be the only ones that can get away with murder? Hell no.

I voted other.

[nini]

30. shouls white people be the only ones that can get away with murder

NO ONE should get away with murder. Color doesn't matter. History doesn't matter. If you're white, black, brown, yellow - whatever - if you kill you should pay - it is reverse discrimination to say otherwise.

[Angelus]

20. Of course he is guilty.

[SmileyBoy]

21. Yes, he killed his wife...

Yes, he's guilty.

[dsc]

22. We can never know for sure

but I lean toward no. I never bought the theory of the case in regards to how he killed both people with no noise. Add in the totally tainted evidence, and the fact that the cops all lied to get the evidence in, and I would have voted to aquit.

[RoyGBiv]

23. How many here watched the trial?

I'm curious if those voting actually watched the trial.

I had a job at the time that allowed me to have a television on all day, and since all I could get were local network channels, it was always on, so I saw as much of it as was broadcast.

I remember the day the verdict was read and not being at all surprised. I even remember thinking it was probably the verdict I would have given had I not been privy to any detail beyond what was presented at the trial itself.

This doesn't mean I think he's innocent. I think the prosecution, all the way from the cops to the trial lawyers, screwed up this case on every level and that the justice system was somewhat vindicated in that it didn't convict a man who had been prosecuted in such a manner. But, being on the outside and having access to information about the presented evidence that the defense skewed and the prosecution failed utterly to explain well, I think he was and is as guilty as hell.

It's interesting to me that Barry Scheck, who was instrumental in casting doubt on the DNA evidence and in my mind one of the big reasons OJ was acquitted, is a vocal proponent of using such evidence in securing the release of those wrongfully convicted.

[yorgatron]

24. i didn't witness the crime

and i don't think anyone else here did either.could've been his son too.jury nullification? maybe.innocent? maybe.covering for his son (wouldn't any parent?)? maybe.shadow of a doubt? yes.

[RoyGBiv]

28. No shadow...

If one considers DNA evidence valid, which I do, there is no shadow of a doubt.

The problem, from my perspective as a viewer of the trial able to second-guess both the prosecution and defense, is simply that the way this evidence was handled led to confusion, which created the doubt.

[Radical Activist]

25. Where's "I don't give a shit!"

The media obsession was disgusting. I was camping in the middle of nowhere the chase happened and when I came back to civilization I couldn't figure out why people cared so much about OJ.

I remember when all the news media broke away from the State of the Union address to cover the verdict of the OJ civil trial. The only speech mandated by the US consititution got brushed aside for that tabloid story. It was the most shameful moment in mainstream news up to that time.

[WilliamPitt]

27. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIVES A FUCK?!?!

Not I, said the fly.

This was the perfection of Infotainment, the establishment as cheese as legitimate news.

Fuck them all.

[RoyGBiv]

29. I do...

I don't give a fuck in the sense that I don't care any more about this particular case than I do about the murder trial of a woman murdered a down the road from me. But, I do care because of evoked questions about DNA evidence and methods of its acquisition.