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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:28 PM
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Seriously considering getting rid of IE
I am so sick of all the spyware this and malware that I get just by opening IE, even specialized programs designed to get rid of things don't always work. How could anyone design such a flawed product?? I'd bet I could do better programming.

Unfortunately, Im used to (and like) the layout of IE, and I need advice as to what browser to use as an alternate...

One that is very compatible with heavy web-surfing, and, primarily, well secured ( and a decent layout doesn't help).

Thanks. If you have any other IE horror stories, do share them too, that might be the straw that breaks the camel's back and makes me switch for good.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:30 PM
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1. Man. You don't know tabbed browsing. Get Mozilla (any flavor).
You won't be able to refer to IE without a sneer afterwards. And there's popup blocking too.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:32 PM
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2. Firefox! Firefox! Firefox!
The best ever!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:38 PM
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10. I use that, works very well. n/t
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:20 PM
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24. Firefox fan here, too. (n/t)
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:32 PM
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3. And here's where to go
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 06:34 PM by billbuckhead
<http://www.mozilla.org/> Firefox or regular Mozilla is a huge improvement. I use Thunderbird mail client as well.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:33 PM
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4. Firefox is browser only?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:34 PM
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5. Yes, but OH WHAT A BROWSER!
It's the bomb!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:35 PM
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6. Installing it as I speak.
I like that tabbed browsing feature I read about.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:35 PM
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7. Yea it is. If you want to smite Outlook too in one blow get Mozilla proper
JavaScript blocking by default and NO automatic execution of anything!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:36 PM
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8. Hmmm, kill outlook did you say?
Well, well well then. ;)
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:38 PM
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9. Outlook is crap.....crap I say!
And I supported it for years as a technician for MS.

Crap!

Unsafe.

Buggy.

Cumbersome.

Crap!
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:04 PM
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21. Mozilla also makes a standalone e-mail client called Thunderbird.
I'd recommend that and Firefox over the integrated Mozilla 1.1 because the browser is so much better.

Mozilla 1.1 is pretty much a clone of Netscape 6 (except the Mozilla actually works)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:31 PM
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26. What about migrating your old mailboxes and filters etc.?
Is there a utitity for that?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:57 PM
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33. I'm wondering about that too n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-04 09:03 AM
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34. Mailbox & addressbok - yes. Filters - Can't find one
Doesn't mean there isn't one, tho. I found these converting procedures for mailbox/addressbok (some configuration tips too):

http://www.felgall.com/brsnet9.htm
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:42 PM
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11. You main choices are Mozilla and Firefox
Firefox wins in the layout dept. I think. It is only a 4.5 MB download.

You can get them both here: http://www.mozilla.org

Opera has a good reputation, but its less popular and if you don't pay for it, the always-present banner ad can drive you crazy (it certainly bothered me).

BTW, none of the net-active spyware stuff will leave your system just by switching from IE. The best course for you at this point may be to wipe your system and re-install Windows before switching to another browser. If you think that is too drastic, just read this:
Infected Windows PCs Now Source Of 80% Of Spam

Windows systems are nests of spyware and virus infestation, largely due to IE and Outlook usage (and because people always run with admin privilege); Best clear it out. I feel obliged to say that I left Windows some time ago and use Xandros Linux at home now. Although it runs only some of my Windows games, it does everything I want.

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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:45 PM
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12. The spyware that keeps reappering on me...
Cool Web Search, seems to be an IE only disease, changes my homepage.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:57 PM
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17. True
And with IE always present, that spyware is always running whether you see it or not.

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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:01 PM
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19. Considering all it does is change IE defaults...
it really doesn't matter, I run Adaware and other anti-crap stuff almost daily.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:55 PM
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32. get SpywareBlaster
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 09:56 PM by welshTerrier2
it's great ...

I used to run adAware and SpyBot ... the software almost always found tons of problems it needed to clean-up ... i saw a product mentioned in the spyBot program called spyWareBlaster ...

after having all sorts of really major problems, i've had none whatsoever for many months ...

now, with SpywareBlaster installed, adAware and spyBot never find anything ... and SpywareBlaster doesn't need you to run it ... it blocks spyware from even reaching your machine ...

you can download it for free from: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

btw, one of the options it provides is the ability to block software from changing your browser's home page ... all you have to do is check the little box when you install it ...
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:47 PM
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13. I like FireFox
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 06:49 PM by Politicub
Give it a spin. It's easy to remove if you don't like it.

In fact, I've been using it for about a month and last night I made it my default browser. I haven't come across a page that it can't handle, but I'm sure there are some like that in the MSN.com domain.

There are no ads, it's fast, and you can download a cool RSS sidebar plugin where you can read breaking news headlines from DU without going to the site. (well, most of the time -- DU's RSS feed is currently down)
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:49 PM
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14. Where is the uninstall for IE?
cant seem to find it.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:53 PM
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15. I don't even know if you can uninstall IE
It's integrated with Windows. It doesn't have to be, but Microsoft designed it like that so it would be inconvenient to use a competing browser. That's what prompted many of the antitrust suits brought up against Microsoft.

So many applications use IE or components of it for one thing or anther. I use MS Money, so I have to keep it on my system.



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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:08 PM
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22. Unistalling IE is next to impossible
Because the files involved are used by so many other MS applications. Windows explorer and IE are basically the same program with a different GUI. Even Outlook can be used as a web browser. Too much repitition.

Just set Firefox as your default browser and pretend IE's gone.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:20 PM
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23. done... thanks.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:54 PM
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16. What about Opera?
Is it any good?
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:58 PM
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18. Its ad-supported apparently.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:29 PM
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25. I had the same question
I use Opera all the time and don't miss IE at all. I'm not that computer-savvy, so I can't speak to the spyware issue. Can anyone help me?
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Radical_Middle Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 07:02 PM
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20. You can also try netscape 7.1
It is basically mozilla, but it is compatable with more online banking websites.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:04 PM
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27. I've been using firefox, mozilla and camino for banking
and they have improved significantly in recent versions.
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King_Crimson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:11 PM
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28. Agree...
Thinking about switching to Netscape myself!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:15 PM
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29. Do Mozilla.
I have used it and it's very good. Stay away from Netscape. It's fat as always and it's too mixed up with other software.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:15 PM
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30. My IE horror story...

One day, I used IE.

The End.

I use Firefox.



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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:48 PM
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31. Good lord...you poor man!
The therapy from using IE must have been quite extensive!
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