Suggest some newer psychedelic music for me to listen to

[darkstar]

Guitar based, Orb-like ambient, outside dub, etc.

By way of explanation, I got Hallucinagen In Dub about a month ago and it's been freaking me out! I get to figuring, there must be more "newer" stuff like this out there.

Can you hook up this oldster?

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Try any of the Robert Fripp "Soundscapes" recordings.

Including the Orb FWD one.

2. as well as the most recent King Crimson releases

the band keeps reinventing itself.
Power to Believe and the 4CD fractralizations.

[sangh0]

3. If by "psychedelic", you mean "jam band"

I've heard good things about The Disco Biscuits, though what I've actually heard didn't impress me.

[GumboYaYa]

7. You've got to see the Biscuits live to get it.

The recorded stuff does not really capture the band very well.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

4. laddio bolocko

a group consisting of a drummer, a guitarist and a saxophone player. one of the coolest, original, organic sounding bands i have ever heard.
instrumental music. i can't really describe them well at all, read this:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/l/laddio-bolocko/life-and-times-of.shtml

they put out one double album and then broke up. the album is titled "the lives and times of laddio bolocko".

i am not sure if you would consider them psychedelic, but i sure would. don't let the saxophone discourage you, it is played through various effects and you will have trouble even recognising it as a saxophone.

one of my all time favorite albums. there is nothing like it.

[asthmaticeog]

5. I know them.

Their sax player's an old friend of mine from back when he used to play in Craw. Hell yeah, Laddio was amazing. Live, they were unfuckwithable - plenty of really strong improvising. Imagine a ridiculously long, jammy version of "Laddio's Money." Ho. Lee. Shit. I saw their new band recently (Electric Turn To Me), and while it's good, it's not the same kind of thing at all, and really doesn't compare. It's definitely not as mindblowing.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

24. wow, that's pretty neat.

thanks for speaking up. my brother happened to see laddio at the Cat's Cradle in chapel hill, NC. he was there to see Trans Am as were most people. he said everyone in the place was blown away by laddio bolocko.
even the people just hanging out drinking at the bar had to watch them in awe. he tells me their CD doesn't do justice to the stuff they played live.

it is a shame they broke up.

anyway, thanks for the info!

[asthmaticeog]

6. This might not be exactly what you're thinking,

but the last two albums by Oneida ("Each One Teach One" and "Secret Wars," both on Jagjaguwar Records) are incredible. Seriously psychedelic, but also very forward-thinking, and pretty heavy to boot. Lots of trancey passages despite the heaviness.

[stinkeefresh]

8. It's an older album, but if you haven't heard

My Bloody Valentine's album "Loveless", it's about as sonic as a guitar band can be, IMHO.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

13. Shh! Don't tell people about MBV. It's our little secret.

I won't share!

[darkstar]

9. Thanx for all the tips, folks

Got quite a nice little list here. See if I can't do some previewing on line.

:toast:

[bif]

10. Porcupine Tree

Not quite sure you'd call them psychodelic, but they're pretty progressive. Or the Dining Rooms. Check ou this webcasting site. about 6 or 7 chenels wqith different types of new music-from Trance to Indie rock:

http://www.somafm.com/

[GumboYaYa]

11. Astral Project, it is jazz that is pretty far out there.

[sundog]

12. It's a little older, but try Sweetback

jazz, dub, trip-hop, ambient, r& b all fused together -- - really groovy --- it's what Sade's band members did while the band was on hiatus (circa 1996, but it still sounds as fresh as ever)

Groove Armada has some really good stuff - "Goodbye Country, Hello Nightclub" ...very stoney

Also Hooverphonic is pretty wild, also a few years old, more vocal oriented, but fab...

I used to dig the orb a lot.. got to see them live :)

[Screaming Lord Byron]

14. Depends what you consider Psychedelic.

There's the whole Mercury Rev - Flaming Lips axis of course, and on the spacier front there's Godspeed You Black Emperor, Sigur Ros and Spiritualized.

[sundog]

16. oh, man I dig Spiritualized --

the first album - Lazer Guided Melodies

of course, anything is psychedelic if you're smoking the right stuff :)

[Magrittes Pipe]

18. I liked Spacemen 3 better than Spiritualized.

But you mention some good mentions.

I think EVERYONE should listen to the first 2 Mercury Rev albums. Y'know, the ones with that acid casualty who later formed Shady singing lead. David Baker? Whuzzat his name?

Anyway, Yerself Is Steam and Boces were not as consistent as the later Rev stuff; but when at their best, they were FAR better. "Meth of a Rockette's Kick" is my all-time favorite 10+ minute rock song ever.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

21. It was David Baker, I agree about Boces (and 'Car Wash Hair is great')

that was on 'Yerself is Steam'. Agreed about Spacemen 3, I usually just lump them in when I say Spiritualized, as it's all Jason Spaceman.
For rural psychedelia, the Welsh excel, particularly Gorky's Zygotic Mynci and my perennial favourites Super Furry Animals. Julian Cope's done some pretty neat psychedelia too, particularly on Fried, Peggy Suicide, Jehovakill and that one with 'Planetary Sit-In' on it which temporarily escapes my mind. Rhinocerose were pretty good too.
Of course, our friend should just head straight for the Krautrock, but I would say that, wouldn't I?

[Squeech]

15. Do you know the Canterbury scene?

If you know the classic psychedelic Canterbury bands (Caravan, Soft Machine, Gong, etc.), various members of them are still around and doing good stuff. Being a bass player, I'm partial to Hugh Hopper and especially Richard Sinclair, who's just put out a live CD and hopes to tour the USA later this year.

And if you don't know the originals, you're in for a real treat! My favorite records of all time include the debut Soft Machine album (organ, bass, drums, sounding like Small Faces minus Marriott with a tank of nitrous oxide), Caravan's Land of Grey and Pink (as if a tribe of elves covered Surrealistic Pillow), and Gong's Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg, and You (collectively known as the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy, a melange of jam band, gamelan, bebop, and early electronica).

But you may well know about Gong already, since Gong guitarist Steve Hillage is one of Dr. Paterson's major collaborators in Orb, as well as his own project System 7. Orb is also one of several artistes on the Gong You remix CD.

Also, do you know Porcupine Tree? I think they're inconsistent, but their best work has a grandeur and scope not unlike Pink Floyd.

PM me if you want more suggestions, including (tooting my own horn) bands I've recorded with who claim psychedelic influences.

[darkstar]

19. Know most of these bands very well

Like I said, I'm older

Even though I started the thread, it sure doesn't mean it has to be limited to what I consider psychedelic. A far as SLB's distinctions above, I'd say I lean to the spacier side. But I also like the "proggier" stuff like Gong, Hillage, etc.

On that subject, anyone here have that double remix CD of Gong's You. Second disc kicks ass!

on edit: sorry, didn't read closely enough re: the Gong You remix.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

22. Sounds like you'd be a big Neu! fan, if you aren't already.

[darkstar]

28. Not familiar w/ Neu!

Fill me in!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

30. Here's a couple of links.

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/neu/bio.jhtml

From the encyclopaedia of Progressive Rock
http://www.gepr.net/na.html

Neu!
Updated 9/28/03
Discography
Neu (72)
Neu 2 (73)
Neu 75 (75)
Two Originals of Neu (77, first two LPs on 2LP set)
Hallogallo (80, first LP reissued under different title)
Black Forest Gateau (82, Compilation)


Reviews
Spinoff of Kraftwerk, who started out in a much more adventurous style at first. Like Henry Cow, all their albums are easily findable as all the covers are variations on the same theme. NEU! is a duo of Michael Rother (guitars, keyboards) and Klaus Dinger (bass, drums, vocals, guitar and piano). The debut is a fascinating work of experimental Krautrock. The hypnotic "Hallogallo" is the most like Kraftwerk, but the emphasis is on guitars, not keyboards. The guitarwork can often be spellbinding, note the beautiful "Weissensee" and the heavy-metal-bordering-on-white- noise "Negativland". Required listening for Krautrock fans. I haven't heard NEU! 2. By the time of the last studio album, NEU! '75, they seem to be repeating themselves, note the similarity to "E-Musik" to "Hallogallo". They also add some punky new-wave overtones on "Hero" and "After Eight" (screaming vocals and raggedy guitars). Most memorable is the almost catatonically s-l-o-w moving "Leb'wohl", featuring some vocal mumblings by a most obviously stoned Dinger. Best song: "Seeland", which recalls the soaring guitarwork of "Weissensee". Black Forest Gateau is a British compilation drawing entirely on the first and last LPs. -- Mike Ohman
Neu!'s three first albums are replete with what that rather clumsy moniker Krautrock has come to represent: lots of insistent, almost robotic rhythms and mainly guitar-generated textures that can sound both grating and ethereal, often at the same time. These of course proved to be survival traits after the musical climate shifted to favour the New Wave austerity: apart from exerting influence on, among others, synth pop, techno and post-rock, Krautrock also has garnered respectability from the critical establishment grateful for a safe avant-garde that you can still tap your foot to or chill out with, without the dreaded pomp and circumstances that British prog brought in to complicate the matters. Fortunately, Neu! mostly deliver the musical goods to back up the hype.
Neu! opens with the archetypical "Hallogallo": Klaus Dinger's drum beat is brisk and hypnotic but also subtly dynamic, a more human version of Kraftwerk's motoristic ticking. Michael Rother's heavily-treated guitar swirls and leaps across the soundstage in cyclical whorls of sound that mesmerise rather than assault, but cannot quite sustain the interest for the whole ten-minute duration. Dynamics is in fact where I see the biggest difference from the "monumentality" of many other progressive rockers: after reaching the peak early on Dinger and Rother are happy to cruise along their aural Autobahn with only slight steering adjustments, scanning the roadside scenery rather than making sudden detours or speed changes.

The rest of the tracks are more relaxed and ambient, ranging from early-Floyd-style trips through often only semi-structured worlds of floating sound effects, celestial slide guitars and swishing cymbal textures to a Popol Vuh-like "Lieber Honig" where the most fragile of bass and Japanese banjo drones form a bare background for Dinger's strangled voice that is not so much singing as making a desperate attempt to sing. The one real exception is the grinding "Negativland" whose screeching guitars, grating filter sweeps and machinery-running-amok noises could be classified as proto-industrial metal. Like with most of this album, it is its very primitiveness and lack of technogloss that makes the music more compelling than that of Pro Tools-packing purveyors of noise and nihilism. Far from sounding dated, Neu! leaves a captivating and original impression, but it certainly requires different kind of mentality than the more maximalist approach of most British progressive rock.

Whereas Neu! feels fresh and whole even today, Neu! 2 sounds more like a thrown-together affair where sonic ingenuity cannot make up for a lack of focus and enough decent, original material. "Für immer" is essentially "Hallogallo 2", dressed up with more instrumental bells and sound effect whistles, but ultimately little better than the original. The more compressed "Neuschnee", with its piping, deadpan melody works better, and is the highlight of the album. However, while they feature some striking sound explorations (again, mainly courtesy of Rother's guitar), the drum-heavy "Spitzenqualität" and sound effect sketch "Gedenkminute (Für A + K)" are pretty much filler. Same can be said of various versions of "Neuschnee", "Für immer" and the proto-punk screamer "Super" that make up the B-side of the album. Created by playing scratchy vinyl recordings of the songs at various speeds or jumbling up the tapes in a broken tape recorder, these lo-fi renditions are mainly of interest for those exploring the history of turntable scratching and DJ remixing. As a whole, Neu! 2 is far the least worthwhile of the three albums.

Neu! '75 brought the band back to form with bigger cast and better songs. "Isi" is the final, and the best, reworking of "Hallogallo", brisker, more melodic and largely replacing guitars with piano and synthesizers. The excellent A-side is completed by the droning "See Land", with its weeping guitar harmonies and dragging metronome pulse, and the vulnerable "Leb wohl", all lulling organ drones, minimalist piano mantras and languorous voices hanging titillatingly on the edge of final paralysis. The other half is not as impressive, however: "E-Musik" is largely a rehash of the band's motoristic pieces that closes with a sound collage of their more somnambulant moments, while the pounding, monotonic rockers "Hero" and "After Eight" represent the coming of age of Neu!'s punk leanings. "Hero" is partly salvaged by some good synth melodies, but at six minutes it makes you long for the brevity of most punk. So while an uneven album, Neu! '75 does contain some of Neu!'s best songs and is perhaps the most accessible for the casual listener. -- Kai Karmanheimo

[darkstar]

Thanx a bunch!

Think I'll try the firt one!

[bif]

25. I saw Gong live in England!

Back inthe mid 70s. They were incredible. Man, did I ever luck out being there to see them live! Check out some of my reccommendations. I used to be an old prog rocker who's been into jazz for many years. I recently got back into rock of all kinds including trance, ambiaent, indie and progressive stuff. I used to be heavily into bands like Blodwyn Pig, PFM, Perugia, Soft Machine and a lot of rock/jazz music.Everone's taste isdifferent, but it sounds like we have similar taste. (Hooverphonic is a great band too!)

[Squeech]

32. Have we discussed this stuff before?

One of the things I like about Canterbury is how they blur the line between space and prog-- not just Gong and their offshoots, but Soft Machine's and Hugh Hopper's loop pieces and Hatfield and the North's electronic excursions (e.g. the outro of "Fitter Stoke Has a Bath"). Of course the same could be said of a lot of Krautrock... I have a dream that some day I can assemble a Deadhead band that could also do Can.

Other than how much fun it is playing in them, however, I'm not real big on jam bands. I like chord changes, and indeed changes in general, and it's hard to do that in a really satisfying way without learning and carefully rehearsing the material.

I don't have the You remixes, and I want them. I did buy the Can remixes, but I was not impressed.

[darkstar]

33. Squeech has a dream!

"I have a dream that some day I can assemble a Deadhead band that could also do Can."

Much the same as me, friend! One of the things that keeps me from the German thing--as per the mild complaint in the Neu! stuff SLB posted-- lots of today's trippy electronica is a lack of dynamics. On the other hand, that's what's so compelling to me about the Hallucinagen In Dub remixs. Man o man! Up and down and sideways. Now add improvisation and you're really talking my language. Dynamaics and improv, together, makes the You remixes work for me.

And it's the sort of stuff I inspire to do w/ my little on again/off again collective. If you are a guitar player, it sounds like a real pity we don't live near one another. I always shorthand my approach as Orb meets Grateful Dead. Song structure for a bit, improv for a while--me mixing and muting and tweaking hardware loops live, guitar player, upright bass player, sometimes live percussion, and me on keyboard noodles and pads--space noize or bliss w/ spoken word samples and sound effects and all round intrument and processing abuse.

[bif]

17. Ever heard of "Bark Psychosis"?

Best band nobody's ever heard of.

[darkstar]

29. Nope.

What is this Bark Psychosis you speak of?

[bif]

31. Here's part of their bio...

(From http://ww.allmusic.com My favorite source for discovering mew music--type in a band you like, then look at "Similar Artists")

Despite a relatively small recorded output and little media recognition, Bark Psychosis was one of the most innovative artists of their era. From rather uninspired origins as a teenaged Napalm Death cover band, the British group evolved by leaps and bounds, moving from moody, lush pop to ambient soundscapes to taut, atmospheric experimental music; their work was so revolutionary, and so impossible to define, that noted critic Simon Reynolds even found it necessary to invent a new sub-genre — "post-rock" — simply to categorize their vision.

Bark Psychosis was founded in 1986 while its members were attending school in Snaresbrook, England; at the time of their formation, the average age of the group — vocalist Graham Sutton, bassist John Ling, and drummer Mark Simnott — was just 14-years-old. Drawing inspiration everywhere from Joy Division, Swans and Sonic Youth to Five Star and early Level 42, the quartet only began taking music seriously after Sutton and Ling's graduation, and soon started composing original material. Upon signing to the tiny Cheree label, they debuted in 1988 with a flexi-disc release titled "Clawhammer."

In 1989, Bark Psychosis resurfaced with their first proper single, "All Different Things"; the gauzy 1990 follow-up, "Nothing Feels," was an early breakthrough, a haunting, sophisticated record backed with the equally stunning "I Know." Keyboardist Daniel Gish, a former member of Disco Inferno, joined the band that year. Issued the following year, the Manman EP continued their remarkable growth, reflecting Sutton's increasingly fascination with techno and the possibilties of synthesziers, programming and sampling while setting the stage for the 1992 landmark Scum, an ominous, 21-minute improvisational ambient masterpiece recorded live in a Stratford church.

[fudge stripe cookays]

20. Not exactly "newer" but ....

Check out "Seance" from the Church.

The one adjective that used to get used more than others for them (pre-"Under the Milky Way" was psychedelic.)

If you like it, continue on to "The Blurred Crusade," then "Heyday." Guitar oriented, definitely, and extremely colorful imagery in the lyrics.

FSC

[Jackhammer Jesus]

23. SHPONGLE!

If you like Hallucinagen, you should definitely check out Shpongle. You can listen to some of their stuff at www.shpongle.com

I'm pretty sure this is the kind of music you're looking for. A few friends of mine like to listen to Hallucinagen and Shpongle while geeking out on drugs, so I assume it's pretty much the same kind of music (I've only heard a few songs by both groups, myself).

[darkstar]

27. yep, got me some sphongle too!

But knowing both them and Hallucinagen didn't prepare me for that dub remix CD.

Yeah, and I guess what I'm after would be considered "drug" music by most. For me it's more "bedtime headphone evoking good drugs" music.

Thanx again all!

:toast:

[Taverner]

26. "The Darskide" - check out their album "Melomania"

A bit hard to find, but very much Post-Stone Roses, pre-Orb.

[Tom Kitten]

34. Acid Mother's Temple?

They're Japanese, been around since 1996, have released a ton of cds and lps, most of which I know nothing about.
I like a collabaration cd they did with Seattle band Kinski. Trippy as in free-form, hard to describe, just weird!