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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:35 PM
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Is it true the Monkees were a phony group, and studio musicians played the
songs? I heard it said that Last Train to Clarksville was played by studio musicians, not the Monkees, although the Monkees sang the lyrics.



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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:36 PM
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1. As I understand it:
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 03:36 PM by aden_nak
The performed their own music, but with the exception of Mike Nesmith writing one or two songs, all of the music was written by other people (which they openly admitted on their record credits). A lot of their best hits were written by Neil Diamond, apparently.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:37 PM
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2. Nesmith and Tork actually could play and sing, Jones and Dolenz sing.
Mainly their songs were populated by studio back ups.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM
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3. They did some good stuff, IMO.....
Wasn't into them at the time but heard a band do lots of their stuff 20 years later and thought they had some decent songs.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:43 PM
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5. Actually, the vids of their concerts are great.
Dolenz was able to drum well enough to pull it off. Mike and Peter were very good at their instruments and Davey was a long time musical theater star as a kid in England, so he was very good vocally.
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM
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4. yes some of the time
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 03:40 PM by 56kid
Google is a wonderful thing

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4015/monkees.html

Even though they had never officially played together as a band prior to the television show, they practiced in between shoots and were sent out on a concert tour in late 1966 and 1967. After a little practice, the band they played on TV became a real band. Apparently, this confused the critics who lashed out at the Monkees for selling records and not playing the music. Since the Monkees could actually now play and sing together, they pushed to play and record their own records. They were granted their wish by their third album,
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:48 PM
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7. The mother of Nesmith, I think, made a fortune because she invented
"White Out." That liquid stuff one would use to correct errors on typed pages.

Back when there were typed pages. Ahem!
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:00 PM
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12. It's true, and if she'd been born a generation later...
...she would have had to invent something else in order to make a fortune. Some people just have the right idea at the right time.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:12 PM
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14. Must... resist... blonde... joke... MUST... (nt)
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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:45 PM
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6. Dolenz I think was a good singer. n/t good google link thanks.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:56 PM
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10. I saw MIckey Dolenz this year....
...appearing in Aida in the touring company. A pleasant surprise vocally.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:48 PM
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8. Yes. Here's a pic of the real musicians
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:52 PM
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9. Thanks!!!
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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 05:50 PM
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11. Yes and No... The "PreFab Four" as They Were Known...

were the brainchild of a fellow at ScreenGems. The beatles were still the lovable moptops. They had come out with a movie "Hard Day's Night" and a cartoon show. Columbia studions with screen Gems decided that they could create a Beatles ripoff to snag some of that screaming teeny loot!

They put out a "cattle call" in Daily Variety, Hollywood Reporter and other industry papers and began casting for the parts. What they originally wanted was four American lads with Beatle haircuts who would pretty closely match the Beatles' linup: One tall, one handsome, one serious and one short and funny. They broke their own rule of "american only" when they saw Davy Jones! Davy, in fact, beat out one short fellow who also tried for the role. The two men read against each other (separately, I seem to recall) and Davy got the part because he was cuter and had a very good voice. The other man, blond and a songwriter, went on to write such hits as Old Fashioned Love Song, Evergreen and Rainbow Connection. Thus, Paul Williams never became a Monkee.

Peter Thorkelson shortened his name to Tork. The rest performed under their own names.

The ads asked that the people who came to the casting call have at least some musical experience. All four of the men selected did, in fact have some skills. They had never played together and the 'sound' of the group was sweetened, enhanced, mixed with studio musicians' tracks and pumped out as the group's own. Some of the efforts were by such talent as Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, Neil Diamond and others.

The Monkees, as they were named originally were content to allow the studio to make their music for them. It was a "Come in, pose for the camera, learn the lyrics and face it!" deal. But soon Nesmith and Tork became very disenchanted and they threatened to leave if things weren't shifted to reflect the group's growing talent.

Unfortunately, while the Monkees were wildly successful, they were somewhat trapped in their time and genre. Cute "lovable moptops" were on the way out as the Beatles followed the Rolling Stones into a darker, more politically active phase. The music scene shifted away and the typecast Monkees tried, unsucessfully, to keep up. After the album Pices, Capricorn, Aquarius and Jones, they began to falter badly. The series was canceled, along with studio support of their tours and they folded. They did regroup many years later and, if I recall, are still playing now and then.

The reason I know as much about the casting of Davy Jones v. Paul Williams is because I tried for the role, myself. Didn't EVEN get to read for it! By the time I got there, it was a done deal. *sigh*.

Otherwise you might see MY smiling face on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:13 PM
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15. I LOVE your story. You sum things up nicely. I'll only add that...
...Stephen Stills auditioned for the Monkees and didn't make the cut either; that Bob Rafelson, director of such great films as Five Easy Pieces and King of Marvin Gardens, had a hand in the creation of the Monkees when he was at Screen-Gems; that Jack Nicholson, then a struggling actor/writer, co-wrote (and appears in) the 1968 Monkees' movie "Head" (which I can safely recommend to any DU'er as...well, as something that has to be seen to be believed), and that Jimi Hendrix did indeed open for the Monkees for part of their American tour in, I think, '67.

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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:12 PM
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13. sadly yes, their work was performed by a studio band called the Archies
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