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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:54 AM
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"The Prisoner" (WARNING: SPOILERS WANTED!!)
This thread MAY end up containing spoilers... but it won't come from me.

Actually, I'm LOOKING FOR the ultimate spoiler. Someone, anyone, please tell me how it all ended.

I am probably one of only two-dozen people who enjoyed watching The Prisoner, but who NEVER saw the final episode that wrapped it all up and explained everything. (And at this point, I doubt I ever will.)

So, if you know how it ended... will you "SPOIL" it for me please? Let me know what happened.


-- Allen


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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:56 AM
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1. Didn't Number 6 turn out to be Number 1?
That's the only thing I got out of that mish-mash.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:57 AM
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3. Oh, now THAT helps a lot! (You're teasing, right?)
If not... I'm even MORE confused than I was before. (And that's quite an accomplishment, I must say.) :hi:

-- Allen
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:59 AM
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5. No...I'm not teasing.
That's actually my recollection of it (haven't seen the final episode in a few years, admittedly)

:hi:

T
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:57 AM
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2. He escaped?
:P

LOL I have no idea. I have only caught a few episodes of the show when they have run it on Sci-Fi occasionally.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:53 PM
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16. Yes and no.
See the posts below, they're doing a great job of explaining it!

:toast:
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:59 AM
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4. Here I did found this site for you Arwalden
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 12:09 PM by everythingsxen
http://members.aol.com/joebrae/p_main.htm

It apparently has stuff about the ending.

On Edit - Wrong tense in title.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 11:59 AM
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6. Well, I saw it, and I'm still not sure.

A judge declares him a true individual, he himself turns out to be #1 (or is it a monkey?), a young guy who represents the anarchic spirit of sixties youth helps the Prisoner escape back to London in a circus truck while singing 'Dem Bones'.
Hope that helps.
Incidentally, this is a very bizarre website I found on the subject.
http://www.sixofone-info.co.uk
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:01 PM
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7. he found number 1, a rocket, and a man with his face under a mask
he then blew up The Prison and escaped with help from the other two guys on "trial" in the next to last episode. The last scene is that of the little butler guy following Number 6 into his apartment.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:01 PM
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8. Me too Allen.
That was a great show. I never knew how it ended.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:07 PM
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9. Your question is answered here:
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:10 PM
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10. Here's a nice analysis...
In that final episode, Fall Out, all caution is set aside, and the show goes utterly crazy. Number Six is taken to a cave complex below the Village where he is respectfully set upon a throne. Since he's defeated Number Two, he's earned the right to choose his fate -- either leave the Village or rule it. A democratic assembly of freaky dudes in black and white masks and hoded robes sits in court, poised to rubber stamp whatever gets decided down there. A lot of chaos and heavy handed symbolism ensues. Three exemplars of rebellion are put on display -- a young man in a top hat with a fondness for humming bars of "'Dem Bones" represents the wayward rebelliousness of youth, who revolt against everything without knowing why. Then Leo McKern is brought back from the dead and dragged before the assembly as an example of a man of the political establishment who "bit the hand that fed him" by rebelling against the system from within. McKern, who had sold out to the Village, regretted the decision. And then there's Number Six, who, it is claimed, is a different kind of rebel, a rebel of noble individualism, who has rebelled for the "right reasons". As the superior individual, he's earned the right to assume the role of soverign over the Village. If there's a place for the Individual in The Village, it's as a figurehead. But when he's asked to speak before the assembly of shrouded ones, he can't get a word in. As soon as Six tries to make a point, the assembly shouts him down -- one supposes in agreement. It's a moment not unlike the scene in Monty Python's Life of Brian, where Brian is instructing the minions to think for themselves, and they all parrot his words back at him, in unison.

Anyway, Number Six is a smart cookie, and he obviously sees the sham for what it is, so he goes off on his quest to bring the house down and confront Number One -- the mysterious figure who's never been seen or heard from the entire series. You figure, in the hierarchy of Villagers, Number One must be top dog. Number One, it turns out, is living inside a rocket. He too, is masked and hooded. Number Six rips his mask off, only to find another mask -- that of a chattering chimp. He then rips this mask off, and lo and behold, it's the spittin' image of Number Six himself -- albeit an insane cackling freakazoid Number Six, who escapes up the hatch and locks himself inside the nosecone of the rocket. The episode then turns into a wacky "escape from the Village" sequence -- where Number Six frees Leo McKern and the Young Rebel, and they shoot up the whole works with automatic weapons, while the Beatles "All You Need Is Love" plays in the background. The three rebels, along with the midget butler, escape via an apartment on wheels, just in time, for Number Six has wired the rocket to auto-launch. The Village is evacuated in a panic, and the rocket blasts off, presumably with Number One inside. We never find out where anybody goes or ends up, nor do we find out who runs the Village, or why.

We do get to see our Rebel heroes returning to private life. The Young Rebel gets dropped off on the highway, where he no doubt will hitch a ride to nowhere. Leo McKern returns to the Houses of Parliament. And Number Six, along with the midget butler, returns to his townhouse, where he speeds away in his racecar. The butler, who's standing at the doorway, enters the house. But the front door opens on its own, just as the doors automatically opened in the Village. Oooo...spooky. And that's basically it.

Very little of this makes sense. And Patrick McGoohan, who wrote the final episode, obviously was writing about as fast as he could think. While it's satisfying to have the series end with finality, it's so over the top, so slapdash, that it's laughable -- a campy final chapter. A disspointment? Maybe.

But maybe it's better to set the criticisms aside and see "Fall Out" as a great moment in TVland history -- a time when anything you could think up was worth a shot. The Prisoner achieved that rarefied height in the TV atmosphere -- a place beyond continuity and disbelief -- a place where imaginative play trumps logic and genre. What could television have become had there been more shows like The Prisoner? It's a tantalizing question that can't be answered.

And what of Number One after all? Well, this one was left WAY open to interpretation, but here's my stab. The unmasking of number One is a big practical joke played on Number Six. Number One is the rocket itself, and the technology it symbolizes -- or, more properly, Number One is the animal inside us (symbolized by the chimp mask) that enslaves itself to the technologies of control and coercion. We all think there's a number one, ultimately, but Number One is really you scamming yourself and being controlled by your own technology
http://www.turksheadreview.com/touchstones/2002/prisoner-thoughts.html
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:37 PM
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14. The way I see it, McGoohan is saying the real prison is the self.
The jailer is the self. It seems to be about ego and individualism.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:15 PM
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11. Okay, well...
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 12:19 PM by CanuckAmok
the final episode was actually a two-parter.

It's really convoluted, and surreal to the point of making Fellini blush.
Okay, I'll tell you in great detail, on the condition that you understand I'm not making any of this up...

In a nutshell, Number 6 outsmarts Number 2 in a battle for mental supremacy which involved regressing back into childhood, in a room complete with adut-sized rocking horses, etc.

Number 2 dies as a result of the shock.

Number 6 is 'promoted' to an ersatz Number 2-like position of authority, and basically given the keys to the city. He is told he can have anything he wants, and, of course, chooses to find out who Number 1 is.

He is led to the secret catacombs under the village, which are staffed by hooded, masked members of some sort of parliamentary governing body. He is placed in a throne in the centre of the 'parliament', and every time he tries to speak, he is shouted down by the members' shouting "AYE AYE AYE!" in agreement with his unspoken words.

Number 1 is represented by a huge cylinder with an electronic eye in it (and a "1") stencilled in red paint). Number 6 is allowed to go into the cylinder to meet Number 1. The cylinder is actually a large ballistic missile. He sees the hooded Number 1 working on the missile's controls...he spins 1 around and de-masks him, to discover that Number 1 is a gorilla! Or is he...? Number 6 pulls off the gorilla mask and reveals...Number 6!

Mayhem ensues, and Number 6 chases Number 1/6 around the missile and then out into the catacombs. Somehoe during this, the missle's launch sequence begins, and Number 1/6 gets away.

A crystal ball shatters.

A huge gun battle erupts between Number 6 and the Village's go-go booted security forces and hooded councilors, while the Beatles' "All You Need is Love" plays in the background. Number 6 is aided by "the Kid" from the Western episode, who has been contained in a pressurised steam tube in the catacombs. 6 rescues him, and he, the Kid, and the Butler battle their way out of the catacombs. as the missile launches. The rest of the Village's occupants evacuate via helicopters, and "Rover" (the big ball), is melted by the heat generated by the missile, accompanied by Carmen Miranda music.

6 and the Kid jump into the 'childhood cage' where 6 and 2 had there mental battle, and it turns out that the cage is mounted on the back of a truck, which the Butler then drived out of the catacombs just in the nick of time.

They smash through a gate, and end up on the A5 Motorway into London. On the way, they pass the morticians who kidnapped 6 in their hearse.

They get to London, and go their separate ways.

Oh, and Number 2 is whith them. Number 2's chouce if action is to repeat shot for shot the opening sequence, in which he storms into the secret office and resigns...

6 is "free"...or is he. As he steps in front of his apartment door, it opens automatically, just as the doors in the Village did, and he steps inside.

Roll credits.



It's pretty predictable, if you think about it. :crazy:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:24 PM
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12. Thank You All...
Edited on Mon Jul-26-04 12:26 PM by arwalden
... for the links, synopses, the personal recollections and the analysis.

I'm glad to finally know the plot and series of events in the final episode. I'm not sure I understand all the symbolism, but the analysis I've read so far seems to make sense.

I had always thought it was the Russians... or some traitors inside HMSS... or that it was a big internal ruse to test his loyalty and conviction.

I feel better now. Thanks again!

-- Allen
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 04:05 PM
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17. McGoohan made it vague on purpose.

He didn't want to do anything to make any chariters intentions clear. we never know the answer to W-H-Y-? We don't know why #6 resigned. We don't know who kidnapped him. We don't know where the village is, or who runs it. McGoohan wanted people to talk about the meanings with each other, get into arguments, and just have fun with it.

I just read this about Fallout:
He (McG) wrote "Fallout" over the weekend following the decision to cancel the series. The script was only partly finished by the beginning of the next week and filming began with no clear indication of how it was all going to end. The rest was written "on the fly", some was improvised and Kenneth Griffith, playing the Judge, had to write his own speech. The episode has no dialogue at all in the final third segment. According to Alexis Kanner and others, they made most of the action up on the spot and the musical director describes "miles of wasted film, just because Pat didn't like it". All of which possibly means that Fallout was made as expensively and obscurely as possible as a gesture of defiance!

http://www.the-prisoner-6.freeserve.co.uk/episode_aftermath.htm

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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:26 PM
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13. Thats the great thing about "The Prisoner"

It is up to your own personal interpretation. It forces you to think and figure out things on your own. There is no "correct" ending.

MY SPOILERS (well for a series that ended over 30 years ago anyway)



#6 does finally meet #1. Himself. In the end, we are all prisoners of our own isolation, our own fears, our own prejudices. In order to "escape" we must not give in to them. Some ways to escape are through rebelling for no reason other than to not conform with society, (represented by the "hippie"), rebelling from within the system, (represented by the newly resurrected #2), or rebelling for yourself and your own peace of mind(#6). Finally, a reminder that the struggle never ends. At the very end, after the butler sees #6 off in his Lotus, the door to #6's house automatically opens, just as they did in the village.



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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 12:44 PM
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15. By the way, everybody, The Prisoner
is being rerun on Friday nights on BBCAmerica, one of that channel's few saving graces, other than Mystery Monday.
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