What common nutrition and excercise myths annoy you?

[battleknight24]

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[catzies]

1. Basically all of them.

*giggles*

[battleknight24]

2. Like...???

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[catzies]

4. Every fad diet, evey pill, every gadget, every painless plan

:)

Reduce bad calories and increase good metabolism through working your body appears to be the only sensible way for most people.

/drinks real beer and eats butter

[Nikia]

74. It's such a popular topic that junk is published

Anyone who has any theory about weight loss and publish a paper or book on it. Anyone who has a weight loss proudct can sell it. As a result, there are lots of conflicting theories out there.
About the only things that I don't think are crap, at least when applied to 95% or more of people, are appropriate regular exercise and diets consisting mainly, if not entirely, of low fat meat and fish, fruits, veggies, and whole grains.

[mermaid]

3. The Myth That Low-Fat Is The Only Way To Lose Weight

The myth that Atkins is unhealthy
The myth that only low-fat, and exercising like a freaking demon will result in weight loss.
i've been on Atkins for six months, and it has been far more effective for me than ANY diet I have ever been on...and for the first time in my life, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I AM DIETING!!
I'm not deprived, hungry and miserable all the time.
I'm not denied access to the foods I love.
And I still lose weight...and my cholesterol has gone down over 100 points.
What really annoys ME are the Atkins detractors!

[battleknight24]

5. Did you ever feel tired?

I know a guy who lost lots of weight doing the Atkins diet, but he said he was really tired all the time.

I took 6 hours of nutrition classes a few years ago... I had 2 different professors... one of them said that the Atkins diet wasn't good, but she never went into specific detail why...

[mermaid]

20. Actually, I Had More Energy

on Atkins than I'd had before I started Atkins. and a number of weird health problems I had, diminished or completely vanished!

[ThatPoetGuy]

13. It's not a myth.

Atkins is unhealthy. The "science" supporting it is about as spurious as those scientists who claim there is no global warming, tobacco is not addictive, and yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

Let us recall that a medical establishment embraced a medicine as "heroic," and for decades its dangers were not known; this is the genesis of the heroin epidemic.

However, we have better research methods now, and study after study is pouring in the results:

low-carb is bad for you.



http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/contributors/atkins_diet_dangers_pork_rinds_721.htm

Be sure to read the comments too.

[MildyCC]

16. I can find doctors on both sides

of this debate. So I'm not sure if it is safe in the long term or not.

"Dieting" all comes down to one simple thing...burn more calories than you consume...no matter their source...and you will lose weight. Amazing how simple that is, isn't it?

[mermaid]

27. you Believe What You Want To Believe

I won't convince you otherwise, I see that.
But, the numbers do not lie, and I am healthier than I have been in YEARS...and I owe it to Atkins, and low-carb dieting.

Ornish did me nearly zero good.

Most diets are so miserable, so depriving...people can't WAIT to get off them. and once they do, they binge on the stuff they had denied themselves, hence the yo-yo effect.

Atkins, on the other hand, is a diet that you can stick with for life, because you do NOT feel hungry and deprived.

most people's misunderstanding about Atkins is based on the fact that they think that Induction is all Atkins is! That is only the first two weeks of the diet...and it is INTENTIONALLY unbalanced...because your metabolism is unbalanced before you start.

You work your way through the stages of Atkins, and the diet BECOMES a balanced diet, and healthy. the problem is, most people do not correctly follow Atkins.

I am currently on Stage 3. no, i haven't lost all the weight I want yet. but, as with ANY diet, your body, after a time, becomes resistant to the diet. It does not want to give up it's stored fat! And so you end up plateauing. This is what has happened to me.

So, I'll stay on Stage 3 for a few months, watch to make sure that I at least do not GAIN any weight (I haven't so far) and then I'll jump-start the weight-loss again by going back to Stage 1 (Induction) for two weeks, and then back to Stage 2, which is where I really SHOULD be.

I'm doing Stage 3 now, so as to avoid gaining any weight, while my metabolism adjusts to what I have already lost...and getting my body past it's natural resistance...before re-jumpstarting the process.

You believe that Induction is all there is to Atkins, which is why you believe it to be unhealthy. Induction is intentionally unbalanced, and intended to be used only for two weeks at a time, and only to jump-start the ketosis process.

I'll grant a lot of Atkins dieters do not correctly follow Atkins, leading to problems, and, if not followed correctly, then yes, Atkins CAN be unhealthy. As can ANY diet not followed correctly.

The myth that irritates me is that Atkins is not effective or healthy, because my own experience proves otherwise. The myth that irritates me is that low-fat and exercising like a demon is the ONLY effective way to lose weight, because my own experience proves otherwise.

And I am getting regular blood tests, and being monitored by my doctor while I am doing this. The numbers do not lie. And the numbers indicate I'm far healthier now...than I was before I went on Atkins.

But you will not be convinced, because you don't WANT to be convinced. nothing I do or say...no documentation I can shove in your face will convince you, because you don't WANT to believe.

I bet you're also a vegan, and a member of PETA...both of whom are groups who annoy the HELL outta me! Animals were put on this earth TO BE EATEN!!! Get over it.

If we were MEANT to eat nothing but rabbit food all the time, we would have nothing but blunt molars for teeth, like rabbits do. Our eyes would not be as close together as they are.

What did you think the pointy teeth in the front of our nouths were FOR?????
They are called Canines, incidentally.

and, in nature, you may notice, PREDATORS have closer-set eyes, than PREY does. This is by design. PREY has eyes set farther apart to give them better lateral vision, so that it is harder for PREDATORS to sneak up on them...which is why many prey can look completely behind them without moving their heads.

PREDATORS don't need to do that. They need to focus on the PREY they are chasing, and need more forward vision for that, which is why their eyes are closer-set than those of PREY.

[DaveFL99]

58. Be we were also put on this earth to be eaten

and our bodies could use a little help now that we're living past the ripe old age of 24 where our ancestors would have slowed down enought to become a snack for a saber tooth.

[sendero]

67. In the years and years and years...

... of human evolution, what is the one component of our current diet that is only a scant few hundred years old?

Refined carbs. Sure, we've always eaten carbs, but not garbage like ground wheat and refined sugars.

You can find an "expert" who will be for or against anything. Atkins is as healthy as any diet, and healthier than most. There is something inherently healthy about losing 60 lbs if you are morbidly obese, and few people manage to do so with conventional low calorie diets.

[DaveFL99]

57. My GI Doc

Is disgusted with Atkins. He say's it based on a lie. I tend to believe him because he's one of the best in the country and Gastro is his specialty.

[Nikia]

75. Couple athletes in my Conference had to be hospitalized

We had a couple outstanding distance runners in our Conference in college who ate an Atkins or other low carb diet. They each had an outstanding two seasons. Then they started having major health problems. They were thin alright and good athletes for a while, but they basically burned up their bodies and had lots of nasty chemicals damaging their organs. This is a bad diet for those who exercise heavily.

[DaveFL99]

56. Glad you like it

But kiss your colon good bye.

Google Diverticulitis and you'll understand why.

[roseba]

6. Lots

1) People wearing a rubber/spandex band around their waist to "spot reduce". There is no such thing as target fat reduction.

2) Fad diets - Anything that says you can't eat a certain food. A sound diet, that is something more than loosing weight temporarily is one that is about PORTION control alla Weight Watchers, not about eliminating food.

3) Exercise classes that exercise lots of movement with a total lack of form. Expecially aerobic kick-boxing, boxing. You can really damage yourself by executing uncontrolled movements.

[Kat45]

7. "No pain, no gain"

[ZenLefty]

8. Sit-ups burn the fat around your belly

Yeah, whatever. :eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

9. wearing nose-rings

Will make you hit on goateed beer-drinking zen masters from Colorado. :eyes:

[ZenLefty]

15. Yeah, that's a bad one.

Everyone knows that goateed beer-drinking zen masters from Colorado have so much sex appeal that no nose ring is necessary. :D

[HEyHEY]

10. "You can't eat bacon at every meal"

sheesh

[mermaid]

28. No One Suggested You COULD....

Try actually READING Dr. Atkins' book before making assinine statements, okay?

[ThatPoetGuy]

11. A few...

In my lifetime, nothing has even come close to the Atkins diet. Anyone who tells you that brown rice is bad for you is insane. Carbs are your friends.

The emphasis on intestinal cleansing -- I'm all for good digestion, high-fiber, etc., but the emphasis in certain circles seems almost like a striving for moral purity.

Spot training. When I see people trying to lose their guts by doing abdominal exercises, I just have to roll my eyes.

[LynneSin]

17. Yes we know carbs are our friends and brown rice is good

But people who are carb addicts eat too many carbs and all the wrong junkie ones. Carb addiction (the junk carbs) is a serious problem in this country

Atkins allows us to help curb our carb addiction and relearn how to eat just the healthy carbs.

[mermaid]

29. Even Atkins Will Tell You That!!

Carbs, themselves are not bad. It is the NUTRITIONALLY DEVOID carbs, that make up the majority of carbs Americans consume...that are bad for you.
White rice and white bread, for example, have absolutely no nutrtional value whatsoever!
On Stage 3 of Atkins, you can HAVE brown rice...you can HAVE whole-grain breads.
You just don't want to overdo it, that's all.
and you want to avoid the nutrionally devoid carbs...the ones that, through processing, have had any nutrional value stipped from them by the extensive processing.
Like I said to the last poster...TRY ACTUALLY READING DR. ATKINS BOOK BEFORE MAKING ASSININE STATEMENTS!!

[SarahB]

32. Yep

People have this myth that Atkins is no fruit or vegetables and living off a diet of bacon and sausage without exercise because a few misguided people abuse Atkins. Atkins in it's true form is much like the hunter gatherer diet that humans were meant to eat and encompassed 95% of our evolutionary history as homo sapiens. Just my little opinion though. It has nothing to do with being 75 pounds lighter, easily maintaining it, and never getting sick anymore after years of chronic respiratory and sinus infections. :D

[mermaid]

35. Right On!

And congrats to you, SarahBelle!

I was once 280 pounds. I had hypoglycemia(spelling??), high cholesterol, sleep apnea...I needed a friggin' CPAP every night just to BREATHE...I had to dress up like a spaceman just to go to bed!!

I have a ways to go, but I've hit a plateau...my body is beginning to fight further weight loss...and so, I have done what Atkins suggests for when this happens (and this will occur on ANY diet...the body naturally resists giving up it's stored fat!)

I went directly to Stage 3, and there I will be for a few months, till my body adjusts. Then I'll go back to Induction for two weeks, to re-jumpstart my body...and then back to Stage 2 where I belong...and I'll begin to lose weight again.

I'm currently at 240.
My cholesterol is down 100 points, I no longer need the CPAP every night, use it only occasionally now...and I haven't had an episode of hypoglycemic "swooning" since I started Atkins.

I believe the results I can see and measure. And my doctor can see and measure. No diet other than Atkins has done for me what Atkins has.

Yes, some people abuse Atkins and do not follow it correctly, and that CAN and WILL cause health problems.

READ MY LIPS, FOLKS: ATKINS IS NOT ABOUT EATING NOTHING BUT BACON AND EGGS AND RED MEAT ALL THE TIME, AND AS MUCH AS YOU WANT...AND NEVER EXERCISING!!
Even Atkins tells you this...if you bother to read the book, instead of believing the lies promoted by the evil, deceptive marketers who have proven they are willing to sell our collective health down the river in the interest of making a few bucks!

[SarahB]

48. Good for you. Keep up the good work.

I went from over 200 (I'm only 5'5") to 140-something (varies from day to day a little). Size 18 was tight on me and now I'm an 8, 9, or 10 again depending on the fit of the clothes. I'm a little stuck as I'd like to lose another 10 or 15, but I can live with this happily if that's where my body wants to be. My cholesterol went from at a whopping 289 (with high LDL and high triglycerides) to 190 (with a low LDL and low triglycerides). It knocked me out of a depression and I rarely get sick, but it has opened my eyes to things I never expected. Getting used to the way men react to me again is a big adjustment. Not that I never attracted anyone before, but I could never seem to get under 170 since I was 19. But I never would have appreciated it (or would have perhaps been a more shallow person) if not for these struggles.
It also made me realize that I used my food addiction to cope with problems that for years I didn't want to face. If I didn't want to fall back into the whole "using food to feel better" thing, I really had to face a lot of stuff head on with my marriage, my family of origin, etc. It's not easy, but ultimately, someday anyway, my life will be better for it. Understanding myself and letting who I really am open up and shine more without fear has been the biggest gift of this.

On Edit: I know all about CPAP. Glad you don't need it anymore. I never had it, but my husband is a repsiratory therapist who mananges a sleep lab, so I've learned a lot through osmosis there. Most of the people who come in for studies are obese and it's sad because although it is hard, sleep apnea is a condition they wouldn't otherwise need to have if not for their obesity. I wasn't there yet. I'm only 32 and started all this when I was 30, but given a few more years, I would have been headed in that direction myself.

[DaveFL99]

59. 75 LBS lighter

I am impressed.

[SarahB]

73. Half was weight from my last baby

I always lose that weight (at least I did with the others). The other 35 pounds I put on when I was 18-19 and could never seem to get off (the Freshman 35 LOL). Thanks though. I firmly believe anything is possible. It just takes persistance and work. :)

[Pithlet]

65. About assinine statements

A statement that you do not agree with does not actualy automatically make it assinine.

Ahem... Okay, the flame war can now continue :)

[Susang]

12. That Cheetos are bad for you

How stupid do they think we are? :eyes:

<crunch crunch crunch>

[Zomby Woof]

77. I love orange fingers!

:D

[ProfessorGAC]

86. Cheetos???

They are the four food groups! There is no more important food than Cheetos. I've decided, and that, as they say, is that!
The Professor

[Skittles]

14. no pain no gain

utterly ridiculous

[Bertha Venation]

19. No pain, no problem. That's my motto.

:7

[Skittles]

51. LOL.....................Bertha

you get your exercise running to greet the pizza guy (watch out for those cats)! :7

[Bertha Venation]

62. Skittles reads my posts!

*swoon* :loveya:

[Skittles]

81. of course I do, honey

I am a big Bertha fan! I especially love animal lovers (I am a rescuer and supporter of animal charities). :D

[Bertha Venation]

18. my old pastor's wife: her hair was red because she has a lot of

beta carrotine.

She even spelled it that way for us ignoramuses who had never heard of it. :eyes:

Spouted as fact by Donna can't-remember-lastname, about twenty years ago.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

21. The whole Atkins thing. Worst thing to ever happen to our civilization.

Ever. :evilgrin:

[supernova]

22. .

:nuke:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

23. Tongue was, ever so slightly, in cheek, y'know?

[supernova]

24. I know

;-) So was mine. That's only a small nuclear device afterall.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

25. Ah. So, I may have a tongue left after the blast?

Good, good.

[mermaid]

30. Obviously Another ANNOYING Vegan and PETA Member

No use for either group.

[chenGOD]

43. Do you actually read the posts, or just the headers?

I think you're missing out on the points being made in the posts. The original poster said "tongue ever so slightly in cheek".

I'm also pretty sure that post #10 by HeyHey was a sarcastic post.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

47. Don't mind the Diet Zealots.

Not sure why people like to argue and flame so much over diets and weight-loss, but that's the human race for you. We'll argue over anything.

[chenGOD]

49. Well it's not just in this thread either...

mermaid's post about the state of education, there were at least two posts in there where he or she responded just to the header.

BTW hello from a fellow Canadian :hi:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

50. Cheers. Lots of people seem to just read the header.

Oh well. :hi:

[mermaid]

53. It Just Annoys The Literal

HELL outta me when people try to debunk the one and ONLY thing that has EVR worked for me...and re-state the lies that the food marketers sold us...in the effort to fatten thier bottom lines, even at the expense of selling our collective national health down the river!

[Donkeyboy75]

55. No we won't.

Goddamn you bloody Scots. You'll make generalizations about anything. :evilgrin:

[mermaid]

52. Yes

He said that in a different post...after I'd already read and responded to his original post.
Just because my reply appears AFTER his tongue in cheek comment DOES NOT MEAN I SAW THAT before I hit the Reply button!

[Heddi]

63. Why must someone be a vegan or PETA member

if they disagree with Atkins?

I work in a hospital---I work with world class cardiologists, oncologists, ob/gyn's, nutritionists---NONE of the doctors, nurses, medical staff that I come in contact with on an hourly basis have ANYTHING good to say about Atkins. And here's a clue before you start making baseless personal attacks---none of them are vegans. None of them are members of PETA (in fact the majority of them are involved in research that *gasp* utilizes medical testing on animals in some cases).

So I'd just like to know why anyone who disagrees with the claims put forth about Adkins MUST be "Obviously another ANNOYING Vegan and PETA member"?

Could it be just a difference of opinion? Could it be that these doctors have reason to doubt the wonderous claims of Atkins and NOT have any ulterior motive? These people I work with aren't associated with any other diet fad. They're not getting $$ from anti-atkins groups, or PETA, or anything else of that nature. These are dedicated professionals whose first priority is the safety, health, and well-being of their patients. They have years of med-school and medical practice, in-depth knowledge of human anatomy and physiology; how the body metabolizes certain things and not others.

I just don't see why anyone who disagrees with the wonders of Atkins (either through medical advice, or personal experience) MUST have a motive---and it's not just in this thread---EVERY thread about Adkins turns into a flame war because oh god if ONE person says "well, I tried Atkins and it didn't work for me", 10,000 DU posters come on and berate that person for not following the diet properly, for being on the payroll of the bread industry, for working undercover for PETA, for spreading misinformation....and on and on and on.

Maybe you should stop with the personal attacks and realize that it's okay for people to have differing opinions....

[mrboba1]

26. that people think that

they can, once they "finish a diet," go back to what they were eating before and keep the weight off.

:wtf:

[mermaid]

31. This Is Precisely WHY

low-fat diets fail. This explains the yo-yo dieting effect.

Because low-fat diets are built around deprivation, and people can't fucking WAIT to get off them! Because they ARE miserable.

Atkins retrains you HOW to eat...healthfully...and gradually, so that it eventually becomes second nature to you.

Atkins forces you to actually take NOTICE of what you are consuming.

I can honestly say I never read a food label in my LIFE until I started Atkins. Now I read EVERYTHING!!

You'd be AMAZED at how much junk is out there...hidden away in things like catsup, bbq sauce, foods marketed as "LOW-FAT" and even now...

I seen some ice cream in the store, with big letters, proclaiming NO SUGAR ADDED.
Well, if I didn't read the LABEL...I might think, gee, that's okay for you on Atkins...no sugar added is a good thing, right??

SEVENTEEN GRAMS OF CARBS PER SERVING!!! My dear GOD...marketers are deceptive, foul, evil bastards who will do ANYTHING to hide how nutrionally devoid the crap they are peddling to us are...will go to any lengths to decieve us into thinking their products are healthy when they aren't...they are willing to sell our collective health down the river, all in the interest of making a few bucks selling us "food" that is about as nutritious as horse shit!

[supernova]

36. That's a hugh problem

the hidden sugars (if you don't read labels) in foods. You can eat A LOT of sugar during the day and not realise it.

I've been able to maintain my weight for the last year precisely because I look and labels and have scrupulously cut excess sugar from my diet.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. Yes, the sugars will get you every time

When I saw Supersize Me (the documentary about the guy who lived exclusively on McDonald's food for a month) the fact that jumped out at me was that his dietician figured out that he had been consuming the equivalent of a pound of sugar every day.

[mermaid]

54. Yes!!

I NEVER read labels until I went on Atkins. And I was HORRIFIED to discover some of the things I was midlessly consuming. Pure garbage, packaged nicely and made to APPEAR healthy, by food marketers...all to gain a buck.
Pisses me off now, looking back!

[mrboba1]

37. not to try to burst your bubble, but

those same reasons are also why low-carb diets fail as well. Low carb also deprives people of carbs they love to have. For me, I could not live without pizza and pasta. Atkins would kill me.

Now, I'm not saying that low-fat and low-carb diets (in the true sense of the word diet) always fail, but for most people, they cannot do either of them. I am one of those. You are one that cannot do low-fat, but can do low-carb. There are others who can do low-fat easier than low-carb.

I lost 25 pounds by replacing meals with protein smoothies and have kept it off for over a year by having one of those per day and having high protein snacks and then whatever I want for lunch and dinner. In a way this is a modified form of Atkins - but without the animal product and the strictness with counting carbs.

I am now in great health - moreso than I was even when I was a teenager. And I'm glad you found something that works for you!

Enjoy the journey!

:toast:

[mermaid]

60. You Didn't

I didn't think I could do Atkins either, for the same reasons.
But I tried it, and found I didn't really miss all the pasta and pizza I used to have, because I replaced it with OTHER things that I liked and could have!
And as you progress on Atkins, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE THINGA ONCE IN A WHILE!!
The trick is to not overdoo it. Once a week, let yourself HAVE some of that stuff (once you're on about Stage 3)

One diet that was Pure torture for me was Ornish (the low-fat diet)
I had almost NONE of the food I really liked...and there never was ENOUGH food, so I always felt hungry, deprived, miserable...and sleepy.

It was six months of HELL...for which I lost two lousy pounds, and 14 lousy points off my cholesterol.

Atkins works, if you work it properly. And so many people THINK they can't live without pasta, pizza, and other garbage carbs. Only goes to show Atkins is RIGHT...we americans are ADDICTED to these garbage carbs!

The other day, in a sever time-crunch, I ended up doing something I hadn't done in six months...as bad as I knew it was for me, I went thru drive thru at Jack In The Box.

I ended up giving half my burger and most of the fries to my DOG!! It was DISGUSTING!! The bun was chewy, gluey...nasty...and the fries were disgusting to me, too...and my first thought was..."Jesus, I used to LIKE this stuff!!"

I used to cram that crap down my throat almost every day...and it led to my morbid obesity.

I can thank Dr. Robert C. Atkins that I can no longer be classed morbidly obese. I'm still, medically speaking, obese...and I have a ways to go...there's 60 more pounds I want to lose...but damn, I feel SO MUCH better than I have at any point since high school.

I'm down to a size 16 dress...used to wear a 22!!

I have a pair of jeans I used to wear all the time when I was fat. I use them now when I am doing dirty work, like working on the car, or gardening, etc. Once they were skin-tight on me. NOW, the droop and bag, and I literlly gotta keep pulling them up! It's fab, I tellya!

[skippysmom]

33. That BMI is the sole indicator of someone's health

You need to look at the whole picture -- cholesterol, blood sugars, blood pressure, activity level, etc. You can have a low BMI, but if you never get off the couch and eat like crap, you're still in trouble.

[mrboba1]

38. OMG - YES!!

BMI is such a loaded figure. If you are the least bit "built", your BMI can go off the charts. It makes an athelete look like a lard bucket and a string bean look perfectly healthy (when they may or may not be).

[sendero]

68. BMI...

.... isn't worth the paper the formula is printed on, and whoever came up with it should be flipping burgers.

Scratch that, they should be cleaning toilets. :)

[AmyDeLune]

82. Bwahahaha!

According to BMI, Will Smith and Hugh Jackman are fat! *snort*chuckle*

[Mr.Green93]

34. drinking 18 glasses of water a day

I spend half the night going to pee.

[mrboba1]

39. Lately, I've seen that 4

glasses of water/day is sufficient.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. Myths that annoy me

1. If you're thin you're fit, and if you're heavy, you're not.
That is belied by the water aerobics instructors at the Y. Even the one who does triathlons would be considered "too chubby" to be a model.
And anorexics can be extremely UNFIT.

2. Asians eat a high-carb, low-fat diet, which is why they tend to be slender.
No, in every Asian cuisine that I'm familiar with (Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese) they eat mostly vegetables with small amounts of meat, soy products, or seafood. At each meal, they have about a fist-sized serving of rice or noodles. The individual foods may be low fat (soups based on vegetable or fish broth) or high fat (tempura, tofu puffs, and other deep-fried items, coconut-based curries), but they are not usually high carb. Asians also get a hell of a lot more exercise than North Americans do, not because they belong to gyms or anything, but because their daily routines include more walking and/or cycling than car riding.

3. You can spot reduce by exercising the body part you don't like.
No, you can firm up the underlying muscles, but as you lose weight, you will lose all over and will always have the same basic underlying body shape.

[mrboba1]

41. About spot exercising

I heard that in order to get that "six-pack" your body fat percentage (men, obviously) has to be somewhere around 6%.

My ab muscles are as strong as anyones, but since I'm probably 11% body fat, no one can tell.
:shrug:

[skypilot]

42. The very latest one...

...that says diet and exercise have no effect on a person's cholesterol levels and that people are better off taking these new cholesterol drugs that the pharmaceutical companies are putting out. How transparent can you be.:eyes:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

45. Also, there are certain types of high cholesterol that are genetic,

not due to any external factors.

[mermaid]

61. All To Increase The Pharmaceutical Company's Bottom Line

More WHORES who gladly sell our collective national health down the river in the interest of making a few lousy bucks!
If I had my way, they...and food marketers...would be tried and convicted of MURDER!!!
I'm glad my doctor resisted the idea of giving me cholesterol drugs, and made me diet instead.
I started at 280 cholesterol. He out me on Ornish. I followed it for six months. I'd lost 2 pounds and 14 lousy cholesterol points. So I asked him what he thought about Atkins.
He said, nothing ventured, nothing gained, let's try it.
And IT WORKED!! IT WORKED!! IT WORKED!!
I lost 40 pounds and over 100 off my total cholesterol...my triglycerides went WAY down, my LDL (bad) cholesterol dropped, and my HDL (good) cholesterol went up 3 points.
For the first time since high school, I no longer have high cholesterol...and a myriad of health problems have vanished.
I no longer have Sleep Apnea, muscle cramps, migraines, acid reflux, hypoglycemic swoon, or high cholesterol.
The migraines had been a daily event for me. No more!

I'm in better health than I have been in in ten years!

So, "WE LIE" Lilly can take their cholesterol drugs and stick them up thoer collective poop chutes...and the food marketers can peddle their poison elsewhere, I'm onto them now!
Once I get back down to my ideal weight I will NEVER allow them to dupe me into becoming fat again!!

I was tricked, I was lied to and decieved. And it's my own fault that, until Atkins, I was too lazy to READ for myself, what I was actually consuming!

[Pithlet]

66. Assinine statements, part II

My cholesterol is not controllable by diet. It is genetic. I started getting cholesterol deposits under my eyes in my teens, when I was extremely healthy and fit, and ran 5 miles a day on the track team. Therefore, it is very likely that I will need medication to control it before long.

[Kamikaze]

46. That video games can't possibly provide exercise.

Not when I play this game frequently!



:D

[SiouxJ]

64. Uh, that Vegetarians are all weak and frail

we ain't. And if you don't believe me, I'll arm wrestle ya! ;-)

[mermaid]

76. "Vegetarian" Is STILL Navajo For "Lousy Hunter" n/t

n/t

[Mara Steele]

78. Someone's in the mood for a fight...

I'll stay out of the way.... Am in a peaceable mood :)

(But I fight for the veggies, guys :D)

[mermaid]

79. Well, Maybe If They

actually made some veggies that TASTE GOOD I might have a different attitude.
But fact is, meat is yummy, veggies aren't.

and we all gotta die of something, sooner or later.

Me, I'd rather live 50 years happy, than 100 years miserable and deprived.

nothing further.

[Mara Steele]

80. I can understand your sentiment...

But personally, I like veggies...

...Nothing further. :D

[ze_dscherman]

84. If you wouldn't live overseas

... you could come over to our kitchen and have a try at our truly delicious vegetarian meals. Would be different if we were dependent on convenience foods ...

I am basically vegetarian, but if I'm invited somewhere or on some travels, I may occasionally eat some bit of meat. But I just don't like the taste any more.

I don't feel miserable and deprived because I don't eat meat. It's all a matter of preferences, attitude and adaption.

[BiggJawn]

69. Anything in a book...

...That goes beyond "caloric expenditure MUST exceed caloric intake"
Oh, so much shit over the years. Eat brown rice. DON'T eat brown rice. Hi-fat, lo-fat, hi-carb, lo-carb, etc.

Cut out saturated and trans-fats, use monosaturated fats, burn more than you stoke and cut down on the over-processed shit. And ride at least 100 miles a week.

There, I just wrote a "diet book"

[amazona]

70. that salmon is healthy

Even the U.S.D.A. warns that you should restrict consumption of salmon unless you can be sure it is Pacific wild salmon -- if you can't find out what it is, it's Atlantic salmon, probably farmed, and you should restrict consumption.

That soy, a cheap animal feed, suddenly becomes a health food if you raise the price several hundred percent and apply marketing.

That coral calcium (calcium carbonate) is anything different or more absorbable than good old-fashioned egg shell (calcium carbonate).

That jogging is healthy. Everyone who jogs long enough gets injured. Everyone.

[Fleshdancer]

71. spot training

people who think that by doing a billion crunches a day the fat will melt off their belly and they'll have a perfect six pack. drives me nuts.

[CBHagman]

72. Carb obsessing.

It kills me to walk through the supermarket and see all these packages labeled with carbohydrate content, especially when the items in question are loaded with saturated fat. I don't expect an epidemic of svelte-ness to break out any time soon, either.

[VOX]

83. Absolutely! One restaurant I know offers a "low-carb" special...

It's a burger patty smothered with cheese and topped with bacon. With a side of avocado yet!

It may be "low carb," but it sure as hell will make you fatter than sin and clog your arteries in the process.

[mermaid]

85. Eating Fat Does Not Make You Fat!!

It is eating a lot of fat, while ALSO overindulging in garbage carbs that makes you fat.
the garbage carbs are easily converted into glucose, which is the primary fuel for your body. Thus, if you eat a pile of junk carbs along with the fat...the fat then ends up getting stored, and you get fat, because the body got all the fuel it needed from the glucose it made from the garbage carbs.
BUT...if you don't eat the carbs...your body is FORCED into getting the glucose from another source. It therefore produces ketones, which break apart adipose (fat) tissue, and begin to turn THAT into the glucose your body needs.
And thus, you do lose fat tissue this way. This is a condition known as Benign Dietary Ketosis, or BDK, and should NOT be confused with ketoacidosis, a condition which is NOT healthy, and peresents a problem in Type-2 diabetics.

See, the body is quite lazy, or efficient...or however you want to see it. but if it can get the glucose it needs from more-easily converted garbage carbs...it will not produce ketones to break down fat...it will instead convert them to adipose tissue and store it. BUT, if you deny your body the easily-converted garbage carbs, you force your body to go to the next level to get the glucose it needs.

This is the principle behind Atkins.

The burger you described, you will notice, DOES NOT come with a bun. There's a reason WHY it doesn't!!

If you were to eat that with a bun, yes, you WOULD become fat as sin...because your body would first convert the carbs in the bun into the fuel, glucose.

Try READING Dr. Atkins' book sometime, before you criticize the only diet that has EVER worked for me!