My college football season is over..(Hurricanes)

[trumad]

Brock Berlin...Miami's new QB is and will be the worst Hurricane QB ever...The guy stinks worst than a pile of Shit! :mad:

PLUS...The bastard is an ex-Gator who transfered to Miami! I can't watch..I simply can't watch a QB this bad squander the offensive talent that the Canes have...

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[ewagner]

1. Cheer up

It could be worse....it could be Chris RIx

GO 'NOLES!

edit spelling...too enthusiastic!

[Scurrilous]

2. He's a mole.

The Gators finally found a way to beat Miami. Plant a mole at Miami's QB position.

[billbuckhead]

3. Florida college football is as competitive as anything on the planet.

Not much isn't possible in the Sunshine state.

[TSIAS]

4. Go Gators!!!

[DoctorBombay]

5. I haven't seen Miami play this bad since '98 or '99

This is truly stunning. Miami is just not in this game, period. Outscored 33-3 since the opening kickoff?

The only other games in recent memory that come to mind is the game in '98 when the Donovan McNabb Syracuse team hung 66 on the Canes, and I think Va Tech beat them pretty bad in '99 (Hokies Sugar Bowl team).

[sasquatch]

6. Cheer up it's only one loss

I told you earlier that they were going to lose to Florida. Besides it's early in the season everyone else could lose and Miami could qualify to go lose to Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl;)

[ewagner]

8. ...uuuummmm....

Maybe Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

Did you see them today? IM-PRESS-IVE!

[sasquatch]

11. Michigan can go to the Rose Bowl

because the BCS National Championship game is in the Sugar Bowl.

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. It will be impressive when they beat Notre Dame.

Which I am sure they will. I just wasn't very impressed that they one today's game. It was an uneven matchup, and they were supposed to win.

[TSIAS]

7. Berlin came back on the last drive

Now it's a 15 point game. If Florida goes 3 and out and Miami scores again, I'll be a little nervous.

[DoctorBombay]

9. boy, did they need that.

Two score game...lots of time still left.

BYU-USC tightening up, too. 21-15 Trojans early 4th

[Ohio Dem]

10. Best to lose early.

I seem to remember a Miami team that went to the MNC game with a loss in, what, 2001? Definately not the end of the world.

When two teams play and neither has a loss, one of their seasons ends. It's the nature of the beast. But then sometimes that ending isn't really the end. If there is only one undefeated team, or none at all, then someone with a loss might win it all. Never give up.

BTW, it's 33-18 now. Two scores.

[DoctorBombay]

13. 2001 BCS Title game

Miami was unbeaten, Nebraska had one loss. Should have been Oregon in that slot. Didn't really matter, that Miami team wasn't gonna lose.

Actually, since the formula in 1998, we haven't had an underserving champion.

[Ohio Dem]

16. That's correct.

My bad. Brain fart.

How many times since the new formula have both teams been undefeated?

[DoctorBombay]

18. Twice 1999 and last year

1999 was Florida State and Virginia Tech in the Vick-Warrick show in the Sugar Bowl.

1998 Tennessee was unbeaten, Florida State had one loss, along with Ohio St, Kansas St, UCLA, and Arizona. FSU did play 8 bowl teams that year, so they probably deserved it.

2000 Oklahoma unbeaten. This one is tricky. FSU at 10-1 got the bid. But they lost to Miami, who was 10-1. BUT, Miami lost to Washington, who was also 10-1. UW lost to a 9-2 Oregon team, and also beat 10-1 Oregon State. Good argument for the Huskies that year.

2001 I covered.

2002 Miami-Ohio State unbeaten.

I really do think the BCS gets too much flack. Under the old system, Miami and Ohio St. would never have played. I don't want a playoff, because it would cheapen the regular season. There is nothing like the week in, week out pressure to stay unbeaten. I think the only way the BCS gets into hot water is if three teams finish without a loss, and that hasn't happened among major conference teams since like '65 or '66.

[Ohio Dem]

21. I wouldn't hate to see a playoff, but I see where you're coming from.

"I think the only way the BCS gets into hot water is if three teams finish without a loss, and that hasn't happened among major conference teams since like '65 or '66."

True enough, but what if a BYU or Tulane pull it off? Don't they even get a chance? I'm not a defender of the "mid-major" schools, to borrow a basketball term, but those schools are left out. And the times when there is only one undefeated team and a bunch of one-lossers, it seems unfair to all the one-lossers but one. Last year it worked, and in 1999.

I really understand what you're saying, and I don't think a playoff is a perfect solution. But I think using the BCS formula to invite the top eight would be an improvement. I don't think it would lesson the importance of the regular season at all. Most years, two losses would do a lot of teams in. It's not like the teams would quit trying. And it's better to snub #9 than #3.

The university presidents like the BCS, so I don't think there will ever be a playoff.

[DoctorBombay]

25. I'd be in favor of a fifth BCS bowl for the best mid major

There's talk of adding in the Cotton Bowl, and then giving a spot to the best mid major team. I think this would be fair to get some of the money into the other conferences.

But I just don't think a mid major can compete for a national title, not with their schedules. Case in point last year. The best mid major team was Boise State, 11-1 in the regular season. They played one game against a BCS conference team, that was at Arkansas, and they got clocked 44-14. If Boise played in a major conference, they're a 7-5 and 8-4 team.

I went to a MAC school, I love the smaller D-1 teams, and I'd like to see one a year on New Year's Day, but I wouldn't have wanted to see that '98 Tulane team or the '99 Marshall team play for a title.

[Ohio Dem]

30. I tend to agree about Tulane and Marshall.

But why not give them a shot in a playoff? If they're not good enough, then they'll get knocked out early. End of story. And no "it wasn't fair" talk.

Even a 4-game playoff would be really really cool.

That said, the BCS is better than what we had before. No doubt about that. And it's here to stay, I think, so any conversation about it is purely academic.

[DoctorBombay]

32. Say you went four teams last year...

Miami, Ohio State, who and who? Georgia and either USC or Oklahoma I presume. In that scenario, you have to pick between two 2-loss teams and two teams who went unbeaten have the same chance as two teams with three losses between them. Not fair to Miami or OSU, who did their jobs during the year.

You're right about it all being academic, despite these congressional hearings (BTW, where was the Tulane prez when they were unbeaten in '98?). The powers that be don't want it, plus it's a GREAT conversation piece! ;)

Time to get today's results into the spreadsheet so I can research who I want to bet on next week!

:hi:

[Ohio Dem]

39. That's an interesting argument.

"Miami, Ohio State, who and who? Georgia and either USC or Oklahoma I presume. In that scenario, you have to pick between two 2-loss teams and two teams who went unbeaten have the same chance as two teams with three losses between them. Not fair to Miami or OSU, who did their jobs during the year."

I've never heard it put exactly that way before. It's hard to disagree with that. And it (the BCS) worked out last year. But in '98, I think my Buckeyes were screwed. I know that I'm biased. I recognize that. Even in a playoff, someone is screwed. The last team out is upset that they're not in. It's unavoidable.

I think it's better, though, to "screw" number five or nine than it is to "screw" number three.

Last year, the system worked out in my favorite team's favor, because there were exactly two teams that "did their jobs during the year." But if there were a playoff, I don't think it would've been unfair to OSU or Miami. (Remember, I'm even biased.) But shouldn't the team that wins a playoff be the champ? If OSU or Miami got beaten in the first round, then maybe they shouldn't be the champ. I think that's quite fair to OSU and Miami. Win or go home. OSU (my team) might have been upset in a first round game in a 4- or 8-game playoff. That might indicate that another team was better. After all, what is the regular season, but a pre-Bowl playoff? Lose, and you have to get lucky to get a shot at the MNC. You didn't do your "job during the regular season."

Alright. Enough hijacking this thread. You have spreadsheets. I think I'll start a thread about this later in the season.

[DoctorBombay]

41. To me, the regular season IS the playoff.

I guess my philosophy is just to win. Win all your games, and you will play for the title (BCS conferences only). Once you lose, you leave yourself to the mercy of the polls and computers. Just win.

The 1998 argument is funny. I'm a UCLA guy, and I wanted the Bruins in that game so bad, but I don't know if they got screwed or not. Out of the four one loss teams, Florida State had played the best schedule, 8 bowl teams in 12 games. UCLA beat Arizona, so U of A didn't really have a case. Kansas St. screwed themselves by playing no one out of conference. Ohio St. had the least excusable loss (blowing a 24-9 lead at home to a 28-pt dog who didn't go to a bowl game).

I always wonder what if about that UCLA team. The Miami loss was in early December, a make up game from September postponed due to a hurricane (Irony, huh?) Miami was not nearly as good earlier in the year. Well, c'est la vie.

I love these debates, there's so many ways to look at it!

Now, time to figure out how Idaho lost to Eastern Washington tonight by a score of 8-5.

[Ohio Dem]

43. 8-5? Ouch.

That Eastern Washington team's only loss is to a very tough San Diego State team, unless I'm mistaken. That explains the Ohio State close call today. (Kidding.)

I once won $50 on a sheet with the unlikely score of Air Force - 5, Ohio State - 3 (maybe it was 2 - I honestly don't remember exactly) at halftime. What a shitty Liberty Bowl that was.

[dawg]

52. Who had two losses last year?

Not Georgia!

[DoctorBombay]

53. No, Georgia had one, Oklahoma and USC had two

In a hypothetical four-team playoff, Georgia would have been #3, as they were the only major school with just one loss. The #4 team, whoever it would have been, would have had two losses.

[Cush]

12. not so fast

Miami is driving. 1st and goal

Its now 33 - 25

[DoctorBombay]

14. heeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee they come....

Eight point game. Uh-oh. Florida is so young, they could rattle.

[Scurrilous]

15. Keep updating please.

I turned theTV off after that 2nd interception. Couldn't bear to watch.

[Cush]

17. TD Miami

FLorida 33
Miami 32

[DoctorBombay]

19. Had to kick PAT due to a penalty.

Still tons of time left.

[jus_the_facts]

20. Berlin was QB for Evangel High School...a private evangelical RW...

....freak freeper school...that is my high schools nemisis..or was untill this year...they've been busted..paying players money and passing them illegally..know all about Brock Berlin :puke:
on edit..my high school is a RW PUBLIC FREAK FREEPER SCHOOL now too x(


BTW yer Caines kicked my Bulldog's asses last week in Shreveport...*sigh* ....

...I'm in awe right now because my LSU TIGERS are handin' the Arizona Wildcats their asses on a platter 38/0...pretty psyched about THAT!! :bounce:

:pals: they pulled it out afterall..go figure!;-)

[sasquatch]

22. 33-32 Hurricanes are coming back Trumad

So you don't have to worry about catching up so the Canes can go lose to Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl;):evilgrin:

[DoctorBombay]

23. Berlin gets 4th and 1 and cramps up!

Miami burns timeout.

This is an un-f'ing-believable game.

[leftist_rebel1569]

26. WHAT'S GOING ON?

ARE THEY LOSING?

[DoctorBombay]

28. Miami wins 38-33

Scored a TD on a Frank Gore run with under two to play, Florida drove to the Miami 20 with :15 left, and Leak threw a pick to end it.

Unbelievable game. Just great theater.

This Florida team is going to be very, very good when they mature, if their spaceman coach doesn't screw them up. Lots of just raw, green, talent waiting to explode.

[leftist_rebel1569]

33. THANK GOD!

I thought I was gonna have to shove my Sugar bowl predictions down the shitter...

[sasquatch]

27. MIAMI WINS!!

they don't have to worry about playing catch-up to lose to Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl;):evilgrin:

[Ohio Dem]

31. I DO like the way you think.

You would have had fun last year.

[trumad]

35. For a moment there I thought Miami wouldn't be there

but I still think OSU won't be... Shit...SD State handled the B-Eyes....

[Ohio Dem]

44. LOL So did Cincinnati last year.

And we still kicked you 'Cains asses.

Does that mean that Cincy was as good as the Hurricanes?

[trumad]

46. In your dreams Ohio Boy

By the way...Do you get the sense that the smack talk is back in a big way...LOL

Thanks God AWD's to busy runnin for President or he'd be back in here smackin his Buckeye lips.....

[Scurrilous]

29. MIAMI WINS!!!!!!!

:toast:

[trumad]

34. God Damn College football!

The greatest game on earth...Shittttt! Fuc@ing Berlin must have been kidnapped by aliens in the 3rd qtr because halfway through the third and into the 4th he was Johnny Fricking Unitas!

If this kid plays like he did in those two qtr's the rest of the season then watch out.... Unbelievable comeback...

Fucking choking Gators...I love it....

[sasquatch]

36. Now the 'Canes don't have to play catch up to lose to Ohio State

;):evilgrin:

[DoctorBombay]

37. Another reason there should be no playoff

Tonight's excitement is cut in about half. I love having NO margain for error.

Florida choked because they are so young. Couldn't handle it. They'll be real good in 2004 and 05.

[lynndew2]

38. Gators trained Berlin and Gators will still finish ahead of

CANES. i hope..lol

[trumad]

40. Well we won't know

because now the series is cancelled for the next couple of seasons...If the chickenshit Gators wouldn't have cancelled in 1987 the rivalry would still be kickin... Oh well...we got to beat your asses the last two years...I guess that's better than nothin...

[markses]

42. Look on the bright side: You ain't a Nittany Lion...

;-)

The chant today from Happy valley:

WE ARE

GETTING OUR ASSES WHUPPED!

[sasquatch]

45. Man I'd hate to be around Joe Pa this week

:scared:

[AWD]

47. Daaaaaaaaamn

I went to bed thiking "poor trumad".

Woke up and looked at espn.com, and am still rattling the shock from my head.

[trumad]

48. LOL...There you are AWD...

Truly a fantastic turnaround... Berlin turned into Dan Marino in the 3rd qtr...I'm still scratching my head...

BTW: Check post 46 out...LOL

[underpants]

49. I thought exactly the same thing (+Damn! Marshall almost pulled it off)

Miami is strong enough to pull games like that off.

If Stan Hill hadn't gotten hurt......:grr: Marshall looked a lot tougher than they used to. (The Herd opens at the BigHorseshoe next year).

[trumad]

50. I love little old Marshall

They produce some damn fine athletes....

[underpants]

51. Well it's about focus

Have you ever been to Huntington? There ain't much to do there and everyone knows who you are so you can't get away with much. Apparently Stan Hill talks to Leftwitch and Pennington every week, I think they are trying to get a "family" thing like Miami had going but with out the problems.

My whole family ((save for about 5 of us ) went to Marshall.

People in Southern WV have three dates that they know where they were when they heard
-Sept.11
-JFK's assassination
-The Marshall plane wreck.

One of my uncles was roomates with two of the guys on that flight and I believe my other younger uncle was on a date with the QB's sister. It too the school, community, and team 20 years to get over it. My uncle is a big booster and helped put the stadium deal together, when they finally won a 1-AA national title he went down on the field after everyone had left and cried.

GO HERD!