Jesus vs Dean vs Clark

[wheresthemind]

I really am curious on this one guys....

[JohnKleeb]

1. well I gotta like the Jewish Carpenter

who is telling me love thy neighbor.

[wheresthemind]

2. you gotta wonder about Dean supporters...

when Dean gives Jesus a beating in a Poll! te he he : )

:nopity:

[ornotna]

22. If the choice

was Buddah instead of Jesus, Would you still feel the same way?

[JohnKleeb]

36. yeah I would

count me in as a fan of Jesus and Buddha
Christ/Buddha
The perfect combo for religious elections lol

[DemBones DemBones]

61. Absolutely. Gautama Buddha trumps any politician, just as

Jesus does. Talk about enlightened programs!

[JohnKleeb]

67. Jesus/Buddha

It will get us the eastern religion vote and enlightened vote.

[UnapologeticLiberal]

26. I thought that was your motive in posting this

I was going to suggest that you at least throw you own candidate into the fray...so we can see if they point you are trying to make about Dean supporters also applies to some of you Kucinich people.

I voted for Dean because I am Jewish, so I don't really have any allegience to Jesus. He was a good guy (and definitely a liberal for his time), but he failed in his mission as a prophet, so I would dismiss him as part of the ineffective leader category. Sorry if I am offending any Christians here...I just look at Jesus in a strictly historical sense and do not see him as anything more than a biblical prophet.

[Cheswick2.0]

46. He failed with you

whoes fault is that? :evilgrin:

[DemBones DemBones]

57. Point for Cheswick!

[JohnKleeb]

72. heh ches

BTW any other Christ supporters liking
Christ/Buddha
BUT unapologetic didnt offend me at all, as I have said having a good chuckle and a good wonder on why my boy JC isnt doing so well.

[DemBones DemBones]

78. Don't worry about Jesus being behind, John, He's the original

"comeback kid"! (Rim shot!)

[JohnKleeb]

83. hey DBDB you were right

yeah.

[wheresthemind]

82. I'm sorry...

I really was just kidding : )

I'm not a Christian either, I was just having some fun last night!

[IndianaGreen]

3. Yes, but Jesus is not an American citizen

and because of that, he is not eligible to run for President.

[GreenArrow]

6. In Christ there is no Jew or Gentile,

or, presumably, American either.

[IndianaGreen]

8. No one is above the law!

and the Constitution is quite explicit that one must be a natural born citizen in order to be President of the US.

Article 2, Section 1, US Constitution:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1

[GreenArrow]

10. But in God we trust!

It's on our money.

[JVS]

32. Wouldn't Christ be grandfathered in

The first few Presidents were not born US citizens. Since his crucifixion Christ has supposedly been omnipresent, thus in the USA at the time of founding. Wouldn't that count?

[IndianaGreen]

34. He was an illegal alien

No green card. No social security card. No taxes being paid.

Ashcroft would have Jesus detained as an enemy combatant in no time at all!

[FloridaJudy]

40. Not to mention

That He went postal when He discovered what the money-changers were up to in the Temple.

I suspect He'd been even more ticked off with what Ashcroft, Falwell, Bush et al were trying to pull off in His name.

I may be a Pagan, but I have a *lot* more respect for Jesus' values than some of His so-called followers!

[AndyTiedye]

43. He Spent A Lot of Time "Sojourning" in Egypt Too

What do you suppose he was up to there?

[Clete]

9. Uh, my Bible makes no doubt that he was a Jew from Galilee.

eom

[GreenArrow]

12. well, I was quoting the Bible

and making a theological joke.

[DemBones DemBones]

13. The poll doesn't mention the presidency at all.

Many Deaniacs have a hard time with details like facts.

[REP]

54. Cute Pot Shot!

Tee hee! Your posts always make me laugh!

[DemBones DemBones]

58. Happy to be of service!

[IndianaGreen]

73. DU is a political website, not a religious one

also, as other posters have rightly pointed out, many people do not see Jesus in the same light as Christians do.

Perhaps the poster that started this thread should have added his preferred candidate's name to his poll, instead of trying to be pathetically cute.

[wheresthemind]

84. its a joke...

really, I was just being silly last night!

I'm not a christian either.

[Hubert Flottz]

44. We should all turn the other cheek to Bush!

And moon him like the smart people in other countries!

EDIT}}}BTW It will prolly take some kind of Super Hero to fix the things the Repubs have ruined!

[JohnKleeb]

45. well

I chose him because of his dedication to the people. Go Jesus its your birthday lol.

[LeftCoast]

4. I voted for Dean

Not being of the Christian faith, (to me) JC's just a nice guy most of his followers ignore. :)

Go Dean Go! :D

[UnapologeticLiberal]

27. Exactly

If I were Christian I might find this poll offensive, but since I am Jewish I voted for Dean, since he had mostly success as governor of Vermont, while Jesus unfortunately was, as you put it, a nice guy most of his followers ignore.

[CentristDemocrat]

5. Jesus wins easily.

[JewelDigger]

7. aAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

they don't understand what you just did!

[dobak]

11. nice poll...

although I am a bit concered that my fellow Dean supporters are voting for Dean over the big JC.

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I really think Jesus would be a Democrat if he were alive these days

Here's why:

Welfare - Yes
Gun Control - Yes
National Health Care - Yes
Progressive Taxation - Yes
Death Penalty Abolition - Yes (as a victim, I can almost guarantee that he would be opposed to this)
Anti-War - Yes
Equal Rights for All - Yes
Pro-Evironment - Yes
Pro Worker/Union - Probably Yes

I think the touchy points would be Abortion and maybe some issues regarding homosexuality.

I think we can assume with a high degree of confidence that he would be against abortion. Probably not anywhere near some the level of viciousness that the fundies are, but I think he would be rather opposed.

I also think that he would be against gay marriage, but I think he would still believe in giving GLBT's equal civil rights. This one is tough, and I guess it could go either way.

-----

Am I sure that this has been talked about before, but the freepers and other conservatives need to see it more often.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. Nice post! And welcome to the

Democratic Underground! :hi:

[ButterflyBlood]

15. Jesus never spoke out against abortion or homosexuality

so you can't say for sure he'd be against them.

[JewelDigger]

17. JC was AGAINST any sort of selfishness....

...homosexuality 'in general' has a very selfish attiude behind it. However, from what I understand (and it's not much) there does seem to be a magnamous (sp?) sort of homosexual relationship that can exist where there is real love...where it puts the needs of 'the other' in front of the needs of 'oneself'...that's where I think it can (and does) all get tricky.

[Bossy Monkey]

24. Homosexuality and selfishness have nothing to do with one another

Gays are exactly like you except for one factor.

[JewelDigger]

29. Yep, I'm coming to believe that's probably true....

...however, there's all those promiscuous (sp?) gays (as well as all those promiscuous straight folks....don't THOSE ppl have it 'all wrong'??? In those cases, it's a very selfish perspective they're coming from ?

[Bossy Monkey]

33. I recommend that you google the words gay, promiscuous, and myth

I'm neither gay nor promiscuous, thus have little insight into the question of selfishness. Regardless, gays are no more promiscuous than heterosexuals. And Jesus, unless I've been misinformed, would forgive selfish people as he did tax collectors, prostitutes and any other sinners who crossed his path.

[jumptheshadow]

51. So are you saying...

that Jesus would lose the red states...

[shimmergal]

96. We can't assume he'd be against abortion.

From the standpoint of his Jewish heritage, doesn't Judaism not only allow but even recommend abortion in certain hardship circumstances?

As an individual and moral leader, Jesus was unusually egalitarian
for his time. He _wouldn't_ have liked laws that drove women to desperate measures like dangerous, illegal abortions.

I suspect he'd have been more concerned about the well-being of children who are already here.

[On the Road]

16. Dean's a Better Candidate, Clark Would be a Better Executive

Jesus I wouldn't want running the country. Too much of a communist. Too much of a religious extremist. Not enough compromise and coalition-building. Much better as a prophet.

[arwalden]

18. For What? President Or Savior Or Nato Commander Or Governor Of Vermont?

I'm confused?

Jesus would make a great governor of Vermont.
Dean would make a great NATO commander.
Clark would make a fine president.

[Ellen Forradalom]

20. LOL

great minds think alike

[Ellen Forradalom]

19. For what? Messiah or President of the United States?

Different jobs. And Jesus and Clark haven't declared yet.

[arwalden]

21. Great minds...

... think alike.

[DemBones DemBones]

63. Wrong -- Jesus declared over 2000 years ago!

:7

[DemBones DemBones]

64. Christianity Is His Continuing Campaign!

[DemBones DemBones]

65. He wins some, loses some, but Jesus saves! Burma Shave

[DemBones DemBones]

68. "Preceeding Posts Meant As Humor Only, Not Proselytization"

[IndianaGreen]

74. I am glad you pointed that out, DemBones

for a moment I thought you had endorsed Alabama judge Roy Moore call to put the Ten Commandments in all public buildings.

As Jefferson wrote in his letter to the Danbury Baptists, religion does not belong in the public sector!

[JohnKleeb]

75. Moore is a nutcase plain and simple

People like him are better suited for theocracies like Calvin's Switerzland, etc. BTW Ive discussed this with my grandmother a devout Catholic and she thinks Judge Moore is a fool who is trying to force his religious beliefs on public places.

BTW reading this bio of him, I would hate have Captain Moore as much as I would Judge Moore and btw Roy get a life dude, you arent a matryl you are a man who believes forcing his private and religious beliefs on the public is ok and I think to hate to emulate your type you are the anti american trying to force people to think the way you do.

[IndianaGreen]

77. Don't kid yourself!

Moore is running for higher office. I just don't know who he could possibly challenge. The GOP has the 2 Senate seats and the Governorship.

Is the Governor barred from seeking reelection?

Perhaps Moore is hoping to replace Bill Pryor as the state's Attorney General. Pryor is another beaut!

[DemBones DemBones]

76. The "Burma Shave" tag line after "Jesus Saves" should have been

enough of a clue but I decided to leave nothing to doubt. :-)

Actually, what I said was just historical fact. What the meaning of "Jesus Saves" is can be (and is) disputed but no one could argue that many people have not found "saving grace" through Christianity. Similar spiritual experiences occur in other faiths as well, of course.

Throughout history, the Christian faith has won some and lost some but continues to campaign for Jesus, who declared himself over 2000 years ago. You don't get much in the way of nuance from my imitation"Burma Shave" doggerel but it's the bare bones of Christian history.

[REP]

81. Now Define "Grace"

"...{T}o say "You should love your enemies; and to convince you of this I will now proceed to cure this gentleman of cataract" would have been, to a man of Jesus's intelligence, the proposition of an idiot." - GB Shaw, Androcles and the Lion

[UnapologeticLiberal]

23. This poll is a bad idea

You are going to give fodder to the freepers - an example of how we liberals are the antichrist. I think some Christians might find this offensive...if I were you I would take it down.

[ButterflyBlood]

25. No the Christians will just vote for Jesus

I did

[Ellen Forradalom]

28. Sigh

Time to pass the Quaalude dish around again...folks are getting riled up.
Here, help yourself and pass it on.

[DemBones DemBones]

80. For Christ's sake, keep those handy,

we're gonna need 'em before '04. :eyes:

[wheresthemind]

85. forget the freepers

I was just joking and I think our pretty cometic thread reflects that...

If we offend the freepers so be it, they have no since of humor and are bad christians anyways.

[leftist_rebel1569]

30. vote Jesus!

n/t

[JVS]

31. The man who fed 5000 with a few loaves and some fish

will definitely have an easier time balancing the budget than any other candidate.

[IndianaGreen]

35. But some of those that were fed, complained bitterly

that there was no tartar sauce for their fish filet sandwiches

[JVS]

39. I'm getting sick of your Christ bashing. You are being an Anti-semite!

And don't give me that cock and bull "But I'm Jewish, how could I be anti-semetic?" crap either! You are as self hating a Jew as your avatar was!

;-) Just kidding around. Echoing some of the Lieberman defence rhetoric.

[Sean Reynolds]

37. Dean!

Why? I don't like Jesus' stand on a woman's right to choose.

[JohnKleeb]

38. hey

I noticed something earlier Dean was way ahead of Jesus but now look where he is. Yeah :). Sorry if I am offending.

[JohnKleeb]

41. Would it be approriate to say that Dean is higher than Jesus?

:evilgrin: just playing. BTW I like Buddha as a running mate :evilgrin: for Jesus that is. LOL in a silly mood as you can tell by my me, myself, and irene poll.

[regnaD kciN]

42. I voted for Our Lord...

...but I know a number of people who worship either Clark or Dean, and think Jesus is just alright...

;-)

[DemBones DemBones]

69. Those who think Jesus is just alright follow the Doobie Brethren.

[JohnKleeb]

70. or are non christian

btw like reality having a hard time accepting and understanding that we are losing.

[DemBones DemBones]

79. Er, John. . .

Did you know that the Doobie Brothers did a song called

"Jesus Is Just Alright With Me" ?


(If not, it's Remedial Rock History for you, young man!)

[JohnKleeb]

86. oopsie

:silly: BTW looks like Howard Dean isnt above Jesus lol I had a pop culuture reference too. Jesus was down by like 30% and hes winning now, Christ/Buddha.

[Cheswick2.0]

47. I vote Jesus, because it's going to take a miracle

to get us out of this mess.

OH yeah, and neither clark nor Dean walk on water contrary to their supporters beliefs. O8)

[JohnKleeb]

48. I would had voted Jesus over Kucinich

Thats just me.

[Cheswick2.0]

49. Good morning John

you are in a good mood today! I am glad to see you have cheered up since the episode with your meanie friends.

[JohnKleeb]

50. great mood I am in

Thanks for acknowledging me. I have recovered, talked to some good friends from DU about the episode on AIM. I proudly voted Jebus lol Jebus. BTW I had a poll earlier: me, myself, and irene, people didnt want myself but they seemed to like Irene.

[Cheswick2.0]

52. lol, funny

I would have voted for you before Irene.

[JohnKleeb]

53. lol I voted myself

lol it only got 4 votes I was in a wacky mood, my wacky poll a couple of nights ago was what should I petion to name Shrub after. People liked the dump best. I got another one in mind: the father, son, and the holy ghost.

[DemBones DemBones]

71. Amen, Sister, Amen!

O8) O8) O8)

[tsipple]

55. Jesus!

If for no other reason than to REALLY shake up Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and the rest of the "Christian" gang who somehow can't read the New Testament.

[PAMod]

56. A lot of people are in big trouble if J.C. gets in the race...

I've read that he has great leadership abilities and can draw large crowds.

[Cheswick2.0]

59. and even the republicans will vote for him

at least the moderates

[JohnKleeb]

60. well if he runs like how he was

some will say that hes more liberal than Kucinich and hes unelectable.
BTW I am still a little suprised JC is losing but its ok. Dont blame me I voted Christ.

[Cheswick2.0]

62. feed the hungry, heal the sick, throw the money changers out of the church

what's not to like?

[JohnKleeb]

66. I dunno

Hard not to like the guy.

Jesus/Buddha
Maybe they think hes too liberal and thus unelectable. Maybe people also think his image is bad, you know having long hair and a beard is never something middle america likes. Now I must chuckle I basically I said the reasons why people have a hard time supporting Kucinich with different specifics on Jesus. LOL but still I like my vote for Jesus.
Sorry about that guys I could have sworen it was a jesus picture. Ooops and so red from embarassment.

[Breezy du Nord]

87. Clark!!!

lol.

[JohnKleeb]

88. lol

Dont blame me I voted for the carpenter.

[Breezy du Nord]

89. Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos

simpsons fans anyone?

[wheresthemind]

90. heyyyyoooooooo

haha...

Anyone enjoy Family Guy as well?

[JohnKleeb]

91. aye very much so

Hey Lois look its the two symbol of the republican party an elephant and a fat white guy who opposes change. BTW I dont know about you all but I think Peter is a democrat, hard to find many Irish working class New England republicans. BTW so what religion are you? I am Catholic but you could call be agnostic or uniterian in a way too.

[wheresthemind]

93. I go to Catholic school...

but I could only really qualify as "undecided".


But this tri I got a really cool theology class called "Moral Justice" and we're concentrating on how, as Catholics, we have a duty to do good, etc.

The first day she touched on: Abolishing the Death Penalty, a living wage, workers and human rights, the environment, and encouraging life. Sound familiar?

This is the first theology class that I like!

[JohnKleeb]

94. You know you are the second DUer I met my age who goes to Catholic

school
I wish my friends were as enlightened as you guys. BTW my dad went to them. Yes it sounds famliar looks like you got some good teachers. BTW I think most of the DUers are age are or were originally Catholics. I didnt know you went to Catholic school, my dad did and didnt care for it but its not like hes intolerant like those friends I told everyone about last night.

[Lizz612]

98. "Abolishing the Death Penanlty"!!! (TANGENT)

My Catholic school LIKED the death penalty!!!
It was the ONLY thing they disagreed with the Vatican on!!
Man, I went to the most conservative fvcking Catholic school EVER!
FVCK!! That pisses me off, you get to take "Moral Justice", thats not fair! "History of the Catholic Church" wasn't bad, but "Moral Justice" that kicks ass! Thats so cool.
Is this Catholic highschool or college?
This should go somewhere else, its so off topic, oh well.

[JohnKleeb]

99. its high school hes my age

BTW I think you probably went to the same school as those kids I told DU about well my bigoted freinds. BTW there are two DUers including wheresthemind my age who go to Catholic school. I dont go although I am a Catholic like you all except my dad experienced it and didnt like it.

[Breezy du Nord]

92. Stewie was pretty funny

Didn't care for it much otherwise. But Stewie was awesome!

[JohnKleeb]

95. not brian he actually liked Hiliary Clinton

and Brian was funny

[Lizz612]

97. "I'll vote for a third party canidate!"

"Fine, Throw your vote away! Bwahahaha"

[dawgman]

100. at least jesus was a liberal.

[goobergunch]

101. I'm an atheist Dean supporter...

and I voted for Jesus.