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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:32 PM
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Poll question: Favorite artist who died too soon?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 06:40 PM by SweetZombieJesus
I was reading this thing in either Mojo or Uncut about the cults of personality that spring up around artists who died young, and I thought "Hey, let's make another god damn poll!" So here we go.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:33 PM
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1. morrison
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:33 PM
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2. No Cobain?
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:36 PM
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52. I'm convinced
...Courtney Love either killed him or had him killed. I've seen the crime scene photos. (not the ones from the window that shows NOTHING)
There's not enough blood on the floor for him to have shot himself they way they say. I was never too crazy about him. I'm more of a Dave Grohl fan, but his death was tragic.
Duckie
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:35 PM
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3. elvis?
he died pretty early
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:36 PM
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9. Nah, he was ready for Laughlin
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:22 PM
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58. No he wasn't - Elvis was ready for a rest, and recovery...
...just not the kind that he got. He was the bigegst thing to ever hit Vegas - Laughlin or any other such gambling resort area would never have been within his personal universe - and he was thoroughly sick of Las Vegas and his existence there by the time of his last, abbreviated season there. Elvis belonged on the road, though the pace of touring that helped inspire him right from the earliest days eventually helped kill him.

He should never have died that young - some of it's squarely at his door, a self-destructive combination of boredom and a need to constantly go and do at 160 mph, but much is the combination of starstruck doctors who happily prescribed far too many pills and a manager who kept working him 'til he finally just gave out.

Maybe he was still destined to die young - maybe he could never slow down and become the elder statesman of pop/rock/country/whatever music who did occasional high-profile live gigs - but he definitely had a phenomenal and long-awaited world tour left in him when he died, the only significant challenge he had left to rise to and probably the only thing left that would have motivated him to whip himself back into serious shape one more time.

As was true for John Lennon (whose last sessions produced, in my opinion, some of his best work and pointed to a great 'comeback'), Elvis' last recording session showed a sparkled that hints at a resurgence that may have been a sign of great things to come in the increasingly studio-avoiding, stage-seeking performer.
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:19 AM
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125. I can only imagine what you are saying:
<<<Maybe he was still destined to die young - maybe he could never slow down and become the elder statesman of pop/rock/country/whatever music who did occasional high-profile live gigs - but he definitely had a phenomenal and long-awaited world tour left in him when he died, the only significant challenge he had left to rise to and probably the only thing left that would have motivated him to whip himself back into serious shape one more time.>>>

Absolutely. What if Elvis HAD been able to kick his addictions/demons and cut Col. Parker loose so he could become that "elder statesman"? Imagine him performing and recording with a supergroup such as The Highwaymen (Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings). He would have fit right in. He would have been free to make the kind of music he wanted, and not have to shout: "What am I supposed to do with this shit?" in the studio.

BTW: One of the two survivors of the so-called "Million Dollar Quartet," Jerry Lee Lewis, (Johnny Cash is the other) is currently on tour. He is scheduled to play in Jacksonville, at the Florida Theater. Again, what if....
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:35 PM
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4. The obvious,
James Dean. (Did you hear the Dan Bern song about "Too late now to die young?)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:35 PM
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5. I voted Belushi because I would have loved to see him in ...
many dramatic roles. The man had a wonderful face.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:36 PM
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6. Claude Debussy
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:36 PM
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7. Two Jims but no Henson?
WTF?
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:36 PM
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8. Zappa
1940-1993. Just shy of 53 when he died.
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:39 PM
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14. I thought about including Zappa, buuuuut
When you've released 70+ albums in your lifetime, not to mention staging Joe's Garage and filming "200 Motels", it's not like you can claim he didn't leave behind a rather sizable body of work.

I voted for Hicks, because he only had four proper comedy albums, plus, he should just plain be here with us, ripping Dubya a new one and ranting under the stars.

I like everyone I listed, and I like Cobain too, but didn't include him because I simply forgot, but I don't mourn any of their losses like I do Bill's. The man was practically a prophet in my eyes.
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:17 PM
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32. Yeah, but he never got to run for president :)
I still have my bumper sticker.
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:37 PM
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10. Jim Croce or Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
What can I say? I have an eclectic taste in music.
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:50 PM
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85. Absolutely and Obviously
Me too.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:37 PM
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11. George Gershwin
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:38 PM
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12. Buddy Holly
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:39 PM
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13. September 30, 1955
James Dean
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:40 PM
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15. Mozart
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. We can only imagine the works never written.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 01:40 AM
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106. Either Mozart or Schubert...
Mozart died at age 35, Schubert at age 31. (By comparison, Beethoven didn't finish the Eroica Symphony -- his "breakthrough" work -- until he was 35.) Either of them should have had another thirty to forty years of creative work left, most likely greater than anything we now have by them. :-(



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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:40 PM
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16. Jim Croce, Harry Chapin
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 06:40 PM by hlthe2b
Stevie Ray Vaughn, Buddy Holly.....
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:41 PM
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17. WZ
Left on Sunday, September 7, 2003


I guess he is finally trying all those http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/WarrenZevon/ThingstoDoinDenverWhenYoureDead.asp">Things to Do In Denver When You`re Dead




--MAB
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:42 PM
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18. Lennon.
He was only 40.
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:44 PM
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19. Yeah, but he was a fucking Beatle, and his solo work, much like Paul's,
was very spotty. Still too soon, but it's not like you can say Lennon never reached the audience he deserved.
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:02 PM
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30. tsk tsk
shame on you
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:56 PM
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54. Please John Lennon was a far better writer and
musician than Paul McCartney! At least Lennon's songs had meaning and hey he was on the FBI list so we know he was being effective.


I knew the 1980s were going to suck when John Lennon died on Dec 8, 1980.


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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:45 PM
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20. Where's Patsy Cline?
Buddy Holly?
Ian Curtis of Joy Division?
Mozart?
John Lennon?
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kutastha Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:35 PM
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65. right there
Ian Curtis. With what that band evolved into in three years, imagine where they could have gone...
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:46 PM
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21. Other
Stevie Ray Vaughan.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:34 PM
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131. Oh jeez! I cannot believe I forgot SRV!
the greatest guitarist of my lifetime...Eric Clapton said of Stevie that when he played, he completed some kind of cosmic circuit through which music just flowed.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:48 PM
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22. Pearl
Janis Joplin
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SiobhanClancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:55 AM
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109. Yes.....
If I had to pick just one.
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Alenne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:52 PM
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23. Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley, Billie Holiday nt
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 06:56 PM by Alenne
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:52 PM
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24. Vincent Van Gogh or Keith Haring...n/t
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:56 PM
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25. 2pac
You forgot to mention Tupac Shakur.
I thought you were a Democrat, with an all-inclusive, pro-minority attitude? YET YOU FORGET TWO-PACK SHAKOOR??!?!! YOU IDIOT!!
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:59 PM
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26. Meh
I didn't include Pac because I get sick of white kids telling me he's the greatest rapper of all time or some shit. RAKIM IS STILL ALIVE, KIDS. SO IS CHUCK D.

I like Pac and all, but he's way overrated in death.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:29 PM
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37. I wish they all died younger: Tupac, Hendrix, etc.
before they had a chance to spawn the sincerest least original form of flattery. Of course, I'm old school--they sold out the minute they signed a record deal. I detest pop culture. But, each to their own. :evilgrin:
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:41 PM
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81. Did you stop to wonder if
they detested pop culture, too? Fame is not always desired but is a natural outcome when many people recognize your obvious talent. You must be very young to be so naive. That, or you are just a dipshit.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:22 AM
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95. And Perhaps you're a humorless sycophant
I guess your vocabulary is so impressive due to your love of pop culture. Didn't I see you on that MTV show "I kiss pop-star ass"?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:39 AM
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100. Ouch! You win!
I truly regret that I resorted to name-calling. I am not usually one to sass a supercillious simpelton so soon, sorry!

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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:53 AM
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102. Now you have me guilty and laughing
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 12:57 AM by roughsatori
I just added a snotty comment to your Lenny Bruce addition (and I admire Lenny Bruce.) I made my post in response to SZJ because he has a sense of who I am and my deep love of some of pop-culture as well as my disdain for the "market-place" and "product."

The reason I wrote Tupac and Hendrix is that I thought that those two had such talent that it infected the lesser "artists" that followed them. I was going to write that the same was said of the English Poet Milton. He was so great that he wound up ruining English poetry for about 70 years--but I thought that would be too pedantic for a "dead pop-star" thread.

I actually logged back on because I was considering sending you a PM to explain myself. But then I thought that would not be fair--to zing you in public and then be nice in private.

And that alliteration you used above was much more clever than "dip-shit."

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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 01:08 AM
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104. Thanks!
I wondered what you were on about; I guess you touched a nerve because T and H have been somewhat heroes of mine for years. You still did not comment on my point that some great artists become famous as a consequence of many recognizing their talent. I believe that JH and TS both longed for the spotlight, but it is not always so. Commercial success does equate with a lack of artistic talent in every case. Often, the masses (us!) get lucky and a great talent becomes well-known. Far too often, however, great talents never see their work develop (it takes big bucks to get the studios, producers, equipment, free time to sit around and create) and it fades to black.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:53 PM
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86. 2Pac aka Makivelli
Was the greatest rapper of all time, and that is not coming from a "white kid." Tupac Shakur was a legend, and you can never say that Chuck D or Rakim come close! Rakim and Chuck D got a lot of play but Rakim fell off and Chuck D crossed over so soon (not his fault, it just happened that way) that P.E. would never have blown up like they did had not they become a suburban phenomenon. People all over the WORLD love Tupac! They understand that he was a man who dreamed, felt, loved and felt the pain of the losers in the capitalist shitstem.
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:32 AM
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99. Commercial success =/= artistic quality
Let's nip that little fallacy in the bud, shall we? I'm not saying Pac was Nelly or anything, but the greatest rapper of all time? Hardly. He was far too inconsistent in his message to be considered the greatest anything. For every "Dear Mama" there was at least four or five "I Get Around"'s.

And kid, Rakim NEVER fell off. Hip hop did when it became a fucking caricature of black culture. And Chuck didn't cross over, he got crossed out by money grubbing executives willing to exalt people like Jay Z to the status of "hip hop artists". Puffy is not a rapper, he's a fucking pimp who rhymes. Recognize the difference.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:57 AM
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103. Charisma and Heart
It took me a long time to get to the point where I recognized Tupac Shakur's deep and lasting influence on hip hop. Maybe you will, too? It's not up to me. Now, I was a fan of Rakim since way back and sure, he also changed hip hop in ways that make him a legend. But, he couldn't change with the game, or, even better, change the game, and fell off. Why bring up Sean Combs? I didn't. Though he is the richest rapper ever (worth more than half a BILLION dollars) he couldn't hold a candle to Tupac Shakur, who, yes, was not consistent and very complicated, but who says that artists have to be "on message" to be great?
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 01:16 AM
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105. I think it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Rakim to change the direction of
the game when it was going from substance to style, on the whole. I will give Pac props for actually injecting some substance into the whole bloated gangsta rap scene, but by and large, I just can't buy into this post-mortem Pac as urban poet/voice of our generation thing that the mainstream media seems to be selling, nor do I automatically afford Biggie legend status because of his death either. I just feel like sometimes, like with Cobain, people give artists far too much credit in death than they would have ever gained had they lived on. Nirvana was a great band, but despite what MTV may try to sell you, Kurt Cobain was not the John Lennon of my generation. Morrison, maybe, but not John.

For the most part, I just find the people that my generation chooses to hold up for idolatry to be pale, confused imitations of people they idolized. It's kind of scary when people start affording Pac "voice of Black America" status. Last time I checked Malcolm didn't start out as a back up dancer for Digital Underground.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:27 AM
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107. Best to check again
Agreed, dying young affords some more of a luster than they would have merited had they lived longer and the bloom gone off the rose.

Tupac was a voice for young black Americans, but he did not speak for everybody, to be sure. His, however, could not be ignored, just as Malcolm X's voice, though shunned by many African Americans, could not be shut out. Their messages were different but they shared a passion, fire and righteous rage.

Speaking on Malcolm, better pick up the Haley book and find out what he was about. If you think he started out as a poor, righteous teacher, you've got another thing coming! Detroit Red was a straight-up hustler, or did you forget?
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:51 AM
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113. I own the Haley book
And I'm fully aware of Malcolm's wild youth. The thing is, Malcolm's resultant spiritual awakening and activism after he went to prison was A LOT more consistent in message than any of Tupac's records.

Like I said, I like Pac, I own pretty much all of his records, but according him an equal status with Malcolm or Huey Newton or Eldridge Cleaver is just one hell of a leap for me.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:47 PM
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133. Oh you are so smart, I give up!
Is that what you want to hear? Whooboy, I thought we were talking about art, but you now want to drag politics into it? Sorry, I'm not biting.
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:07 AM
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92. don't forget KRS-1
that man is a genius.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:59 PM
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27. Joey Ramone.
1951-2001.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 06:59 PM
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28. Phil Hartman
the best snl cast member of my lifetime
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:34 PM
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50. It still makes me sad...
...that he's gone. I was watching the E! True Hollywood Story on him the other day...It's just sooo sad that his wife was so nuts. :cry: he was the most talented man, and the most talented SNL castmember in quite sometime. He could do anything.
Duckie
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:01 PM
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29. For me...
-Bill Hicks: Imagine all the fun he could've have with Zippergate, 9-11, and Bush himself.
-Wesely Willis: I didn't discover this guy until after he dided, but he's pretty funny.
-Tricky: I heard he died, but I may be wrong. His music is dark and almost kinda sexy at times.
This reminds me of an old fairy legend about a race of fairies who attach themselves to a certain artist, expanding their talent and fame at the cost of the fae slowly sucking away their life force. So eventually the artist eventually dies before his/her time. I'm not too sure that fairies exist, but sometimes you just have to wonder (because I think we'll be stuck with Jessica Simpson for a long time).
Love,
Yaoi Huntress Earth
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:07 PM
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31. i don't think tricky's dead
if he is, i missed it
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Rooktoven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:23 PM
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33. Dennis Miller.
Remember how funny weekend update was?
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:25 PM
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34. Jimmy Dean. Would have loved to see him in the 1960s era...
And in that terrific burst of energy in American cinema at that time. His politics might have been interesting, too.

Can you imagine James Dean with long hair and a buckskin jacket being interviewed by Dick Cavett?

Would he be rotund, reclusive and slightly irrelevant, as Brando is now?

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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:26 PM
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35. Hendrix
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:26 PM
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36. Another Lennon vote
Can you "imagine" the results of his cumulative influence today and over the years had he not been murdered?

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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:30 PM
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38. John Lennon
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:53 PM
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44. Me too
Me too. I really think he was about to stun the musical world and was on to a new format and style that he only hinted at in his last LP. So sad.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:30 PM
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39. Nick Drake
he was SO young and his story was so sad.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:33 PM
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40. Marvin Gaye
Who'd probably still be my favorite (musical) artist even if he were still alive.
John
"I'll be Doggone," "Stubborn Kind of Fellow," "Come Get to This," "I Heard it Through the Grapevine," you get the idea.
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:35 PM
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41. Janis Joplin!
How could you exclude her from your poll?
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:11 PM
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57. Janis !!!!!
thats my vote !
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:36 PM
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66. Yeah
my vote is Janis Joplin. Definitely.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:12 AM
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111. Mine, too....
DemEx
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:36 PM
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42. Gilda Radner! n/t
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:54 PM
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68. Oh Goddess, I Miss Gilda!
Ever wonder what the fates have against gifted male musicians in small planes, and brilliant female comic artists with ovaries?

Back in the seventies, I used to do my own version of Roseanna Roseannadanna's gynecological exam ("Watcha doing down there, Doc? Scraping for BARNACLES?") to the hoots and whoops of my fellow nursing and medical students.

None of us are laughing about it now, except Gilda. That woman could could make a joke of anything, including cancer. Wherever she is, that's where *I* want to go when I die.
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bunk76 Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 07:43 PM
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43. Not exactly my fav....Kirsty Macoll
I think she deserves some props on this post.Had a top 40 hit in England"Theres a guy works down the chip shop(swears he's elvis)"
I think her best work was "Titanic Days".She died off the coast of Cozumel at the age of 39 in 2000 when she was struck by a speed boat.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:03 PM
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69. Or for that matter Sandy Denny, 1947-1978
Among the loveliest voices in folk (Fairport Convention)
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:03 PM
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45. Ian Curtis...
I can't believe that his name wasn't on the list. Maybe one of the most sifnificant artists of the Post-WW2 times.
Dirk
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:30 PM
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64. I'll second that
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:06 PM
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46. Layne Staley
I REALLY miss him...:(
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:12 PM
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47. Lenny Bruce
Died before he could see what he wrought.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:12 PM
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48. Florence Ballard
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:23 AM
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126. Absolutely.
Many say that SHE was the TRUE voice, the BEST voice, of the Supremes. She just got shoved to the back in favor of Miss Ross. It's a shame what had happened to her.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:57 AM
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130. So true!
Some fellow Supremes fans have given me some hard to find videos from the 60's and Florence kicks ass. The orginal line up was vocally perfect. Mary's voice was the perfect blend with Florence. Diana indeed had the "comercial" voice but both Mary and Florence could sing circles around Diana.

I've never debated that Diane (yes, I used her REAL name) voice was the key to hit singles, but to push a talent like Florence's to side was pure bullshit. There was plenty of room for Flo and Mary to have leads on album cuts and solos in concert. One of the best moments in their live shows was Flo's version of "People" but of course Mr Gordy took THAT away from her and Diane sang it instead :puke:.

Looks like karma is biting ol' Diane back in the ass big time these days.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:27 PM
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49. Hank Williams
29 years old.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:35 PM
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51. KURT




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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:54 PM
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53. John Kennedy Toole
Much more to offer...

Neon Bible doesn't count
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Jack_Sparrow Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:08 PM
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55. Ronnie Van Zant
29, and so many great albums ahead. Steve Gaines too.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:10 PM
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56. Buddy holly
Just imagine what he would done in the 60s
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:24 PM
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59. other: Bob Marley
also, John Lennon
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:27 PM
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60. Hard to pick one....
... but Jimi was just getting started.

Janis was a great talent also.

And, I'd have to nominate Keff Buckley's dad, Tim Buckley - who wrote and performed some songs that are too powerful to describe :)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:29 PM
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61. Other--Katharine Hepburn
She only made it to 96.

Serious, she should have lived forever.

Lucy was a close second at age 79--would have liked one more show from her.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:29 PM
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62. Carole Lombard
Wonderful actress.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:29 PM
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63. Other

Namely: Sam Cooke, Buddy Holly, and Ritchie Valens, among many, many others.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:46 PM
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67. Gilda Radner and River Phoenix.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:04 PM
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70. Stevie Ray Vaughan
And put me down for Cobain, too.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:05 PM
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71. Cass Elliott, Karen Carpenter
.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:05 PM
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72. Judy Garland
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doubleplusgood Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:08 PM
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73. Bernard Herrmann
...died at age 64 on Christmas eve 1975 after recording the last musical cue for "Taxi Driver". He also composed film scores for "Psycho", "Citizen Kane", "Fahrenheit 451", "Day the Earth Stood Still" & "Vertigo" amongst others.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:17 PM
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74. Fuck! D. Boon
Sorry to have forgotten.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:39 PM
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75. It's all about Bill Hicks
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:44 PM
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76. John Keats, hands down
:)
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:47 PM
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83. Ummmm, Van Gogh?
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 10:55 PM
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77. Otis Redding and Charlie Parker.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:03 PM
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78. Keith Richards Died in 1970
but no one told him, so he just kept on keeping on...

Look at him! Listen to him!

How else do you explain it?
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:30 PM
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79. Cass Elliott
of The Mamas And The Papas, for youse youngsters.

Janis Joplin, Jim Croce, Terry Kath, and James Dean (so, actors are artists, too!), Gilda Radner, and Dudley Moore, to name but a few others.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:34 PM
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80. Lenny Bruce
He died fighting for our rights! Patriot, beatnik, wise-ass, hero!
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:25 AM
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96. I thought he died from shooting drugs
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 12:55 AM by roughsatori
Fan romanticism knows no ends.:P Edited to add: see my above reply to your reply to my reply, etc.

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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:45 PM
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82. Mozart
He was also born too soon. :(
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:48 PM
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84. What would each of these guys have done with more years?
James Dean wouldn't have been young forever. He would have morphed into a middle aged guy doing 70's detective movies, with square cars and square sideburns.

Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer, and Frank Zappa had time to compose a corpus of works, and to do the things they did that left their marks. I think they would have done more of the same. IMO, the number of rock stars who do anything significant in their 50's and 60's is slim. John Belushi certainly had time to develop, and if the work of his contemporaries from SNL is looked at, he would have likely continued to put out the same stuff. He would get the edge over the singers just because he died younger and with more peak years.

Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain are more difficult to peg down. It's hard to figure out whether they would have continued to burn out. They both could have made significant contributions with more time. Cobain gets the edge here, since his works are less complete that Morrison, and he didn't have the time to get into the limelight and then start to evolve. Also, Cobain would still be in his prime, and I'd like to see his response to the newest grunge-like generation of rap and speed metal. He could have moved it to something different. I'm not sure Morrison would have been able to respond to the late-70's changes in rock music.

I'll pass on Hicks, since I'm a bad judge of comedians. I will say that the prematurity of his death would best be judged on how successful he would have been with mass media over time, which he wasn't particularly fond of. However, I could see him doing well in the current age of rising leftist parodists (yeah, I know about "real words").

As to the others, Mozart and Debussy made their marks, and probably wouldn't have made new reaches of significance based on what was going on around them and how their contemporaries did, but Gershwin's career was cut way short, and he would have been a formidable force in countering the postwar neoclassicist domination. Croce fits in, to me, with Lightfoot, King, C.Simon, et al, and I think the 70's would have been his high point. Chapin's loss is more personal to me, since I went to school with his kid, and thus as a father dying young seems more unfinished and his death more untimely.

Jeff Buckley gets my runner-up, since he was not able to put together a body of work.

But I'd go with Hendrix. The simple reason is that I see Hendrix, over the years, dealing creatively with disco and rap in a way that would enrich music instead of sending it into the stylistic ghetto we're in now.

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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:55 PM
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88. In 1997, I started writing a novel called THE DAY THE MUSIC LIVED...

...the premise of which was that Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, and Ritchie Valens did *not* die in a plane crash. I began the novel in the early-morning hours of February 3, 1959, when their plane nearly crashes but remains aloft, and took it from there.

I got about 100 pages into the manuscript, which carried the storyline through the summer of 1962, before I came to realize what an incredible amount of research an alternate-history novel would require. Daunted, I set the book aside and have yet to look at those pages again! Maybe someday, who knows?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:54 PM
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87. Even Hicks would have voted for Hendrix
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 12:26 AM by sasquatch
He loved Hendrix.
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:58 PM
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89. Hmmm, very masculine poll. I'd vote for Patsy Cline but . . .
she's not listed. :shrug:
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jenm Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:59 PM
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90. Peter Sellers
Chauncy Gardener.

Also Raul Julia, what a hottie.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:00 AM
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91. Phil Hartman.......
.....he was amazing.:cry:
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:08 AM
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93. tommy bolin
n/t
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:21 AM
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94. My list
Peter Sellers, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Gilda Radner, Virginia Weidler (the kid sister in Philadelphia Story and the child in The Women), River Phoenix, Felix Mendelssohn (as much of a child prodigy as Mozart and only 39 when he died of a stroke), Christopher Marlowe (a contemporary of Shakespeare who was killed in a duel at 26).

I agree that James Dean owes much of his mystique to the fact that he died at 24. He'd be in his 70s if he were still alive.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:25 AM
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97. MARVIN GAYE...nt
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:27 AM
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98. Roger Miller
A gifted and multi-talented individual. Just starting to make a success of Broadway when he died too soon.

Also in favor of Mama Cass. Sweet voice.
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AlabamaDem Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 12:47 AM
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101. Aaliyah
hey, damnit, you forgot Aaliyah! she deserves to be up there.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 02:45 AM
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108. George Harrison was only 58 and thats not old.
Yes he was a Beatle but his music was versatile and meaningful. Unlike Lennon and McCartney who pretty much stayed with their own signature styles.
George was always my favorite Beatle and I felt that he should have been allowed to do more of his stuff on Beatles albums.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:08 AM
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110. Lennon Is Not On Your List ???
If it weren't for him, the rest of the Beatles, Brian Epstein, and Sir George Martin, I doubt that we would have ever come to know the others on that list.

These guys kicked down the doors of the recording industry and let everybody else in!!!

They TRULY rocked the world!

:wtf:
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:15 AM
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112. Too many...
Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Hank Williams Sr., Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bill Hicks, Lenny Bruce, F. Scott Fitzgerald (if only he'd lived to FINISH "The Last Tycoon"), Lennon and Harrison (the WRONG two Beatles are dead, if you ask me)...and so many others.

Life is a motherfucker, huh?
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regularguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:56 AM
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114. Other: Duane Allman.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:58 AM
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115. John Lennon, John Keats
There are many who deserve recognition.
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Michael Daniels Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:08 AM
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116. Phil Ochs
Way overrated as a writer and singer and although he was pretty much dried up talent-wise when he killed himself, it would have been nice for him to see the influence he did have on other musicians given that he died feeling that his efforts to create social and political change through his songs had been a total waste.
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:14 AM
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117. Bobby Fuller...and....
.......Jeffery Lee Pierce, Peter Ivers, Jesse Belvin, Top Jimmy and Kevyn Aucoin.
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:40 AM
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118. Egon Shiele (sp)
I recently did a report on him last semester and his rather provoctive work is quite nice. It's a shame he, his wife, and unborn child had to die so quickly. Then again, I wonder what kind of twisted upbringing the kid would've had.
Love,
Yaoi Huntress Earth
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:42 AM
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119. Damn
I forgot Frank Zappa. The guy was so clever and even his speech was avant garde. Why couldn't Limbugh go instead of him?
Love,
Yaoi Huntress Earth
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:49 AM
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120. Zappa and Kevin Gilbert
Although I voted for Bill Hicks, since I think he could be instrumental in exposing Shrub, these two are right up there.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:51 AM
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121. John Candy fricken' RULED!
He was the funniest man I have ever seen. Yes, a lot of his stuff was lowbrow sight humor, but so what? Imagine him in Uncle Buck flipping that giant pancake with a snow shovel. PRICELESS!
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:52 AM
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122. Too many choices!
There's so many "other" artists I can think of, how could I begin to answer this one?
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:59 AM
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123. Artist? Basqiat. Oh, you mean music? Haven't we had this one already? nt
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:09 AM
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124. John Candy or Phil Hartman
The Professor
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:25 AM
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127. Anybody mention Buddy Holly?
And how about Richie Valens?
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:43 AM
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128. Baby Huey
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:51 AM
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129. Okay, singer, not painter or composer - then Stan Rogers..
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:38 PM
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132. I forgot Steve Goodman
very much missed.

:-(

This whole thread made me sad.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:01 PM
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134. Lousy artists, who died to late:
this thread becomes boring, so I get off topic and entertain myself:
1. Leni Riefenstahl
2. Ernst Jünger
:-) from Germany,
Dirk
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:45 PM
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135. jeff buckley
i think "last goodbye" is one of my favorite songs of all time
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