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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 09:55 AM
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Anne RICE Bites Her Critical Fans
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http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm

.... Rumors have long circulated that Rice did not write her novels entirely alone and that her late husband, Stan, served as co-author on the "Vampire Chronicles." Stan was diagnosed with brain cancer while Rice was writing "Blood Canticle" and she finished it after his death.

Her former fans have latched on to the buzz and are also suggesting she needs an editor, an idea she's vehemently against.

"I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself," Rice writes. "I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status."

Rice, the author of 25 books, denounces her own readers: "Your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander ... be assured of the utter contempt I feel for you ... how glad I am that this book is the last one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses." ....

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 10:00 AM
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1. I don't know much about this woman
But the little bits and pieces I see have me thinking she's a nut.


Cher

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 10:15 AM
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2. Her books have sucked for soooo long
At least since book 2 of the "Witching Hour" series. Anne Lice can kiss my ass. I'll read Poppy Z. Brite any day over her.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 10:40 AM
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4. I dig Brite too but Rice deserves credit for very intertaining novels


and she has the right to diss her critics and to stand up for her writing.

(what's happening here? is she against smirk so she is being attacked? this is the first I've heard about her critics on the attack.)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 10:27 AM
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3. She's an overrated hack anyways
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Johnny 99 Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:22 PM
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5. Well, that's nice
Overhyped hack, always has been, always will be. Please go fade into oblivion, Anne, your books only appeal these days to preteen boys hoping to read about some vampire sex.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:24 PM
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6. Someone tell me what she writes again? Just horror stuff? (nt)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:25 PM
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7. I dont like the NYP but thats a great line lol
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:55 PM
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10. You don't have to read it in the Post
It's from the comments on her book's Amazon page. Really amazing and insane. What tickled me to death was the vote on the comment's helpfulness. At the time I saw it, only about 30 of 110 voted it helpful. A reader took her comments and added paragraph breaks and took out "and" at the beginning of sentences (ie he edited her, which is what she was complaining about) and that one was almost unanimously voted helpful.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:55 PM
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11. oh, oh
Bites though its funny.
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ott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:32 PM
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8. She just lost her husband to brain cancer
If you've got a problem with someone telling you to, 'fuck off' after they've been through that, then that's just what it is, your problem.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:44 PM
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9. People have been dissing Anne for years now
The quality of her books dropped off long ago, and she knows people know it. I'm sure her sales have decreased significantly since the early-mid 90s, which imho was the peak of her career. It's sad really, I used to enjoy them quite a bit.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 02:02 PM
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12. She was good in the 70's
now she's an embarrassing no talent hack!

as if Danielle Steel was writing horror.

I'll take Neil Gaiman over her any day. THE best Scifi/Fantasy/Horror writer today.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 02:07 PM
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13. Neil is THE man!!!
I own all of his books (in soft and hardcover), graphic novels, a ton of his comics, Neverwhere on DVD (miniseries)...And hopefully soon, I will be the proud owner of a complete set of the Sandman comics in mint condition.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 02:59 PM
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14. It's been a downward spiral.
Perhaps lashing out is a result of her trauma regarding her husband's death. However, Anne Rice's novels have been awful for quite some time - coincidentally at the time she rejected editorial comments. From her comments on Amazon.com, she does not merely control whether or not editorial changes occur. She doesn't let them exist. In essence, she delusionally believes that her work is perfect and beyond criticism. The rumors about a co-writer are a little far-fetched, but it's absolutely clear that Anne Rice is hurting herself by being so cocooned and arrogant.

Ms. Rice's comments are cached on google. I think that posting them meets fair use standards, as it is less than four paragraphs and also meant as a public (and presumably not copyrighted) statement.

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Seldom do I really answer those who criticize my work. In fact, the entire development of my career has been fueled by my ability to ignore denigrating and trivializing criticism as I realize my dreams and my goals. However there is something compelling about Amazon's willingness to publish just about anything, and the sheer outrageous stupidity of many things you've said here that actually touches my proletarian and Democratic soul. Also I use and enjoy Amazon and I do read the reviews of other people's books in many fields. In sum, I believe in what happens here. And so, I speak. First off, let me say that this is addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are projecting your own limitations on it. And you are giving a whole new meaning to the words "wide readership." And you have strained my Dickensean principles to the max. I'm justifiably proud of being read by intellectual giants and waitresses in trailer parks,in fact, I love it, but who in the world are you? Now to the book. Allow me to point out: nowhere in this text are you told that this is the last of the chronicles, nowhere are you promised curtain calls or a finale, nowhere are you told there will be a wrap-up of all the earlier material. The text tells you exactly what to expect. And it warns you specifically that if you did not enjoy Memnoch the Devil, you may not enjoy this book. This book is by and about a hero whom many of you have already rejected. And he tells you that you are likely to reject him again. And this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no, I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art. Back to the novel itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives. For me, three hunting scenes, two which take place in hotels -- the lone woman waiting for the hit man, the slaughter at the pimp's party -- and the late night foray into the slums --stand with any similar scenes in all of the chronicles. They can be read aloud without a single hitch. Every word is in perfect place. The short chapter in which Lestat describes his love for Rowan Mayfair was for me a totally realized poem. There are other such scenes in this book. You don't get all this? Fine. But I experienced an intimacy with the character in those scenes that shattered all prior restraints, and when one is writing one does have to continuously and courageously fight a destructive tendency to inhibition and restraint. Getting really close to the subject matter is the achievement of only great art. Now, if it doesn't appeal to you, fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies. I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously (and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses. Now, to return to the narrative in question: Lestat's wanting to be a saint is a vision larded through and through with his characteristic vanity. It connects perfectly with his earlier ambitions to be an actor in Paris, a rock star in the modern age. If you can't see that, you aren't reading my work. In his conversation with the Pope he makes observations on the times which are in continuity with his observations on the late twentieth century in The Vampire Lestat, and in continuity with Marius' observations in that book and later in Queen of the Damned. The state of the world has always been an important theme in the chronicles. Lestat's comments matter. Every word he speaks is part of the achievement of this book. That Lestat renounced this saintly ambition within a matter of pages is plain enough for you to see. That he reverts to his old self is obvious, and that he intends to complete the tale of Blackwood Farm is also quite clear. There are many other themes and patterns in this work that I might mention -- the interplay between St.Juan Diago and Lestat, the invisible creature who doesn't "exist" in the eyes of the world is a case in point. There is also the theme of the snare of Blackwood Farm, the place where a human existence becomes so beguiling that Lestat relinquishes his power as if to a spell. The entire relationship between Lestat and Uncle Julien is carefully worked out. But I leave it to readers to discover how this complex and intricate novel establishes itself within a unique, if not unrivalled series of book. There are things to be said. And there is pleasure to be had. And readers will say wonderful things about Blood Canticle and they already are. There are readers out there and plenty of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain me when I read the utter trash that you post. But I feel I have said enough. If this reaches one reader who is curious about my work and shocked by the ugly reviews here, I've served my goals. And Yo, you dude, the slang police! Lestat talks like I do. He always has and he always will. You really wouldn't much like being around either one of us. And you don't have to be. If any of you want to say anything about all this by all means Email me at Anneobrienrice@mac.com. And if you want your money back for the book, send it to 1239 First Street, New Orleans, La, 70130. I'm not a coward about my real name or where I live. And yes, the Chronicles are no more! Thank God!

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