Any bible scholars out there?

[benddem]

I need the citation from the Bible where Christ says that the Old testament shouldn't be considered. If you don't know that do you know any place on the net I can find this? Thanks

[papau]

1. He never says "shouldn't be considered" - he does say that the law

can be sumarized by 1. Love your God, and 2. love your neighbor.

I recall Paul saying folks are not bound by law of the Old Testament.

[flyingfysh]

4. this gets into a complicated bit of history

Some Christian groups considered themselves completely Jewish, and followed all of the Jewish customs. Some considered their religion completely new, and adopted none of the Jewish scriptures. Some even went so far as to consider the God of the Old Testament an ignorant and evil god.

There was much more variety among "Christian" groups at one time than most people realize today. A good reference on all this is "Lost Christianities" by Bart Ehrman.

[grannylib]

2. Will try to help you find it. It was Jesus saying that he did not come to

abolish the law but fulfill it, and that the letter of the law kills, but that the spirit of the law gives life. I think that is what you are referring to. Can't think of chapter and verse right now, but will look it up.

[GiovanniC]

3. Some Say This Passage Negated Some Old Testament Laws

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:13-17 (NIV)

[grannylib]

5. Check the 5th chapter of Matthew's Gospel, and also chapters 7-8 of

Paul's letter to the Romans. May be what you seek there.

[shockingelk]

6. He didn't say that

You might be thinking of one of these passages:

In Matthew 12 (cross reference Mark 2:23-28), Jesus says it's OK to work on the sabbath.

You might also be thinking of the Sermon on the Mount (matthew 5), where he says he didn't come to abolosh the law, burt to fulfill it - then gives some common sense rules which go over and beyond OT law.

I thibnk the point you would like to make would best be made my noting that Jesus' message was that if you love God and love your neighbor like God loves you, you will already be following God's will and will by default follow the commandments.

Someone else mentions "the letter kills" - this is 2 Corinthians 3:6 - not Jesus speaking, but Paul writing to the Corinthians.

[GiovanniC]

7. See Also: Hebrews 8:6-13

But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.

For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said:

"The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.

This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.

I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

[shockingelk]

8. He didn't say that

You might be thinking of one of these passages:

In Matthew 12 (cross reference Mark 2:23-28), Jesus says it's OK to work on the sabbath.

You might also be thinking of the Sermon on the Mount (matthew 5), where he says he didn't come to abolosh the law, burt to fulfill it - then gives some common sense rules which go over and beyond OT law.

I thibnk the point you would like to make would best be made my noting that Jesus' message was that if you love God and love your neighbor like God loves you, you will already be following God's will and will by default follow the commandments.

Someone else mentions "the letter kills" - this is 2 Corinthians 3:6 - not Jesus speaking, but Paul writing to the Corinthians.

[GiovanniC]

9. Also

Hebrews 7:18-19 and 22

The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

[benddem]

10. thanks so much

you all have been great.

[Bossy Monkey]

11. Here's a searchable KJV for future reference

Don't think it will help a lot in this instance, though it's great for the verses that folks have already suggested since you can put in book, chapter and verse and go right there:
http://www.bartleby.com/108/

[Trajan]

12. From the Skeptics Annotated Bible website ....

Must Christians obey Old Testament Law?

Yes, they are binding forever.

Ex.12:14, 17, 24
"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. ... And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever."

Lev.23:14,21,31
"It shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations."

Ps.119:151-2
"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever."

Ps.119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."

Mt.5:18-19
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven."
Lk.16:17
"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."


No, Christians are not under the OT law

Lk.16:16
"The law and the prophets were until John : since that time the kingdom of heaven is preached."

Rom.6:14
"Ye are not under the law, but under grace."

Rom.7:4, 6
"Ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ .... We are delivered from the law, that being dead."

Gal.5:18
"But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."

Eph.2:15
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances."


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Hmmmmmmmmmm .... It seems people read into this what they want from it ......

Personally: I am atheist: so I dont accept ANY of it as fact .....

[GiovanniC]

13. I Should Mention I'm An Atheist As Well

Or agnostic at most.

But I do know me some Bible. I was raised Baptist.

[benddem]

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