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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:35 PM
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Here is your chance: explain to me why I should not be a Lesbian
This is a very simple thread. There is so many attacks and denigrations on homosexuals, Christians claiming it is a sin. I assume this is based on some vague references towards homosexuality in that multiple-men written book called the bible. Though they ignore all the references to sacrificing your children, beating your children with rods, stoning prostitutes. Here's your chance. Convince me not to be a gay person, tell me why I am wrong.

And, oh yeah... this is a copycat thread.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:37 PM
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1. I can't - I love you just the way you are
:)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:38 PM
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5. Aw....
:loveya:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:37 PM
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2. we don't have nearly enough lesbians
in fact, if i were running for public office, i'd propose a massive increase in federal spending to increase the numbers of lesbians.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:39 PM
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7. Yes! That's the spirit!
More lesbians.... a dream world.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
74. Yes, yes it is.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:38 PM
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3. because those pale pink things that stick out from men's crotches
are WONDERFUL. </sarcasm>
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:38 PM
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4. ROFL..... oh dear
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:40 PM
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10. yeah, and you can get preggers from them!
Isn't that wonderful? </excessive snark>

Plus, they can write their names in the snow!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:43 PM
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17. You can't write your name in the snow?
Admittedly, it's a bit difficult to read and it takes some time, but it can be done. :D
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:47 PM
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23. and it takes several hours, since I have to drink to get some more
onto that snow, ha. Walk forward, try to establish an N. Wait another hour, and walk in a circle. Another hour and five glasses of water later, try to do an E. Then five more glasses of water later, try to do two Ls, and another hour later, try an E. Zip up pants, grin like hell, and smoke a cigarette afterwards.

However, here's an old trick. Put yellow water into a water super shooter gun, point from crotch at snow, and draw your name. That saves time, that's for sure.
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:44 PM
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20. *sniff* *sniff*
Is that RW-esque male bashing I smell?

<sarcasm>

:puke:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. my goodness, someone maligned my male privilege!
:cry:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:48 PM
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27. *GUFFAW*
:bounce:
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:55 PM
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38. /sarcasm ON:
"what if mine isn't "pale pink" and usually isn't found sticking out as much as it is sticking in to things?"

:D

/sarcasm OFF:

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. then I would suggest that you get your appendage looked at
if it registers an odd color like green or a deep purple. ;-)
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:39 PM
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6. This place is crazy today, isn't it?
The polls are all over the place, voter fraud is rampant, the draft is imminent, old people are dropping dead in flu lines and we're all arguing about religion!

And why aren't all these people in church, anyway?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:39 PM
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8. LOL um....
Good point... :D
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
16. The statues would jump off their pedestals and run
if I ever entered a Church.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:46 PM
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21. True story
I once went to a tent meeting with a friend - just out of curiosity. It seemed like an interesting thing to do.

As soon as we arrived, the sky got very dark, clouds appeared out of nowhere and a huge storm, complete with thunder and lightning blew up.

And there we were, in a tent (with metal poles) in the middle of a field, with a bunch of guys in sweater vests singing Christian songs (very loudly so as to be heard over the sturm and drang).

Last time I ever set foot in any kind of church atmosphere!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:58 PM
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42. LOL!
What a great story.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
58. Are you sure it was you and not the because of them wearing sweaters?
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
31. *snort* LOL!!
:thumbsup:
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:40 PM
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9. cuz it's hard enough for all the straight guys
how do you expect any man to compete with a woman!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Now, there's an argument that makes sense...
I don't have any answers for you though. :D
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:28 PM
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72. To add to the argument
(from a guy's point of view; I trust cheezus won't mind) -- because you're really cute -- and smart -- and confident -- and funny. And since you are woman, you know how all that stuff works.

Competition like that we really don't need.

But I suppose that it doesn't really work that way.

And, hey -- you brought it up.

...Never ask what goes on in a guy's mind (hormones, you know). It can be, ah, unflattering. But it is how we act that matters.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. LOL
And thanks for the compliments... just don't let your girlfriend meet me :D
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #77
87. Lol,
Like I said -- you're funny -- but I ain't taking the "bait".

I'd like to... but I ain't taking it.
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:41 PM
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11. *ahem*
Shouldn't we be focused on the war and kicking Bush's ass back to Texas in two weeks, isn't that what Mary Cheney wants us to do?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:41 PM
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13. no! Mary Cheney wants us all to be ashamed of lesbians!
My goodness, what are those lezzies up to these days? Where's my toaster that they promised me? :silly:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:21 PM
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59. Ok... I will support Mary Cheney is being ashamed of lesbians
More specifically MARY CHENEY
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Mary Cheney is a faux lesbian... in fact, I think she's a sinner.
:bounce:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:44 PM
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19. of course! what self-respecting LPGA lesbian would have a coiff like this?


;-) It's so.....Republican....that hairstyle. Where are the mohawks? Where's the mullet? Where's the cute butch hairstyle? The long femmey hair? But no, she had to go with a Republican coiff---therefore she sins! :evilgrin:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Ew... and is that her girlfriend next to her?
If so, then the adage is true that she's looking for someone who looks like her Dad.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. I always make sure that women match my outfits and hair
;-) What better way to accessorize on a Saturday night?
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:48 PM
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28. I agree with you on the faux part
What self respecting lesbian would let her daddy who belongs to an organization that wants to take away her rights speak for her?

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again Mary Cheney is no different than George W. Bush they both have to hide behind daddy.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:42 PM
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15. Your sexual or gender preferences are fine with me as long as they do
not cause you to harm others or infringe upon their rights.;-)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. But... but... Cheezus thinks that I would harm
straight men, by reducing their chances of getting laid (or something to that effect...) :D
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:50 PM
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30. and goodness knows our highest priority should be
protecting cheezus's and all male egos... for where would we be without out of control machismo? {/sarcasm}
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:48 PM
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26. It's Just Wrong... For The Bible Tells Me So
Jesus told me to hate you. You're ruining family values. Homos are trying to destroy the institution of marriage. You can't reproduce so you recruit our children.

God hates fags! Fags burn in HELL!



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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. That is ONE scary picture. Does he ever have signs about Lesbians?
Or is he just fixated on men? :hi:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Does This Answer Your Question?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:04 PM
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47. Oh shit... I shouldn't have asked...
I particularly like the one calling Ellen a Fag. :eyes:

And :wtf: is that silhouette pic on the "Dyke Sin" one supposed to represent? (I'm afraid to ask.)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #47
67. Strap-Ons? Cunning Linguists?
It's difficult to tell what it's supposed to be.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:54 PM
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85. Oh man... now I see it....
Again... why'd I have to ask? Really, they oughta ask someone first... that's just NOT a normal position for two women... And isn't that woman embarrassed to be holding up a sign of women posed like that? What a FREAK!! :eyes:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 05:03 PM
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86. Another thing... the sign says Romans 1:28... WTF?
Here's Romans 1:28 from the King James Version:

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient

Are they saying that lesbians who have sex with one standing and the other kneeling is inconvenient, therefore wrong?? Well, gee, I'd have to agree, it does look quite inconvenient. :bounce:

Seriously though, a better reading of that would be that anyone who doesn't believe in God is damned and morally unprincipaled. I don't see anything in it to suggest that two women together is sinful... Perhaps two women together who don't believe in God is... :shrug:

No wonder there are some Christians who despise anyone who isn't Christian if they read stuff like that. It doesn't, however, make the case for only despising gays, since there are plenty of gay Christians.... God, I'm confused now.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #44
78. How can they stand there
with a sign that says "Thank God for Sept. 11"?

How sick are these people?

"U R going to hell" Well, if heaven is full of pieces of shit like these folks, I'd just as soon go to hell!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:36 PM
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111. God those people need help
is their denial that strong? In my conception of God, God is tolerant of others. Those people need to read their Bible. ;)

Personally, I see no reason to convince anyone to be anything other than what they are. You are all fine and cool in my book. :hi:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
114. Those people are really, really mentally ill
Dude. Those people need help.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. besides, it's not fair that gay men dress better than straight men!
;-)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:56 PM
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40. Why does Phelps dress like he's trying to sell you breakfast sausage?
Seriously. He looks like he's just finished slaughtering for the morning and is going back into the farmhouse to tell you how delicious his 100% homosexual-pork-free sausages are.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #40
75. Probably because Fred secretly likes sausage
...if you get the meaning ;)
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:50 PM
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33. I'm very glad that you posted this thread, because it helps mine a lot
..with the point I am trying to make.

I can't possibly explain to you why you shouldn't be a lesbian, and I wouldn't want to, because I don't think you should not be one! I love the fact that you are. Truthfully, I LOVE it - because I am absolutely enthralled with the diversity of life, and the differences between people is what makes the world beautiful!

So all I can say is God Bless You and fill your many many days with joy!

(and that's all I expect atheists, agnostics, non-believers, and skeptics to do when it comes to my faith.)

Be well!
Sel
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Thanks... but let me just say again...
that you misunderstood the thread you originally referenced in another thread... the thread that THAT one was copycatting exposed a LOT of prejudice against gays from Christians and none against Christians. I found myself extremely offended by some of the comments on that original thread. The copycat one was simply turning the tables.

I have no problem with Christians who understand what being Christian is, which you seem to. I appreciate your acceptance of all others as well.
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Unstuck In Time Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #37
123. Because we're out of toasters. n/t
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:52 PM
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34. Uummm because you're a guy???????n/t
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. the original poster is a woman
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. Do you know something I don't know?
:)
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. you didn't say they had to be credible reasons n/t
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Ah.... I get it then.
:hi:
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:53 PM
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35. I know Lesbians...Lesbians are friends of mine...
I have Lesbians in my family. 'Nuff said.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Very cool...
:thumbsup: Everyone should have a lesbian relative or friend... oh, wait... they do... though they might not know it. :)
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. My sister is a Lesbian...
and it has never been an issue in our family. My parents have always been open about sex. My sister's gf is a big part of our family, and we all love her very much.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:04 PM
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46. cunnilingus and anal sex can be fun
Lets be real for a moment. The whole issue comes down to the fact
that some prude wankers can't accept that getting eaten out, or
having anal sex can be very joyful.

They've reduced all of love and relationships to the sort of sex
you have... and strangely, many hetero couples have anal and oral
sex, just it seems that these prudes can't get over that... as what
else is there to this whole line of bull.

Having babies is a sure way to be plunged in to poverty, as is the
role of the "prole"... and in bush's universe, they want us all to
be impoverished and powerless, so what better way than to make sure
that all sex is vaginal, and that there is no contraception.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Please don't get my thread locked.
Even though you make a good point of people reducing homosexuality to sex.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. Oooo-is that an original quote from the new Bill O'Reilly phone sex tape?
Just asking.

What is potentially most damaging to O'Reilly is not that he propositioned Mackris, but the sexual details of the conversations - his Caribbean holiday shower and Scandinavian airline hostess fantasies and obsession with vibrators, one of which he allegedly uses on himself.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1329436,00.html
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
71. its a quote from sweetheart.
It can be more than fun, really sublime for that matter. :-) So
much depends on what sex is to you, and how open and trusting you
are with your partner. :-)

I realize that O'reilly problem, but frankly, being expat, i've
never seen his show. Sounds like he's a real ass, so good for the
good guys if he goes down. Are you not expat yourself Zorra? Have
you ever seen oreilly?
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KinkyDem Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #54
115. one of which he allegedly uses on himself.
I'm gonna try real hard to say what I need to say to this without getting booted from the board or getting this thread locked ...

WTF. Who the hell are you to deride someone elses sexual pleasures? I could care less if this guy wants to have sex with falafel, I could care less if he uses a vibrator on himself ... None of those things in particular is the isue here. The issue is his forcing others against thier will to particpate in sex acts.

Seems to me you maybe should go get yourself a catalog and take a look at some of the male masterbators on the market these days, they're just chock full of little vibrating gizmo's. We gonna go on a man hunt for all men who use a vibrator on themselves? Pa-leeze!

Stop belittleing other peoples sexual proclivities and stick to the issues, O'Rielly is a prick 'cause he wouldn't leave that woman alone not becuase he likes to masterbate with a vibrator, visit hookers or have sexual relations with falafel ... the problem here is his disregard for and mistreatment of women.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:07 PM
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51. No one will ever convince me that loving and being loved is wrong.
If you both consent and are able to make informed decisions there is nothing wrong in being loved and loving someone else. It seems to me that any rational person would be supportive of (and celebrate) love for another irrespective of the external genitals.

Sorry, maybe it is just my "perverted" view of acceptance that is talking here. I suppose it could be because I'm one of those witches that the uber-fundies* would burn at the stake if they could, however, I prefer to think it is due to the fact that I am educated and have seen a bit more living than some have.

Whatever the reason for it, I figure that if anybody wants to stick their nose in somebody's private life they deserve to get told off...


Laura


*Do not confuse this with bashing of Christians. Comparing Christians with Uber Fundies is like comparing the KKK with all white people.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Good last sentence...
I completely agree.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Exactly
"Comparing Christians with Uber Fundies is like comparing the KKK with all white people."
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:18 PM
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55. Multiple-men written book not even written by the disciples
All or most of the books named for the disciples were not written by them.

In addition, most of the New Testament was written by Paul who never met Jesus. It is in these books that they suggest that homosexuality is a sin. No where else.
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:19 PM
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56. I don't want a chance to explain it.....and you shouldn't need anyone to..
You be whoever you are, like Kerry said in the debate.

You don't need to give anyone a "chance" to explain or convince you of anything...don't even entertain the negative a$$holes of the world or concern yourself with what they think.

Right now everyone should be busy trying to explain to Sinclair advertisers why they shouldn't support broadcaster electioneering and explain to the media that they need to start holding peoples feet to the fire, not just letting them puke out BS talking points and walk away smiling.

I love you the way you are. If you want greater justice for everyone, including homosexuals, do everything in your power to defeat Bush!

:kick:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:20 PM
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57. We do copycat threads in GD now?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:22 PM
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60. I wanted to make sure no one mistook that I would start a thread
like this without a reason, so yes, technically it's a copycat thread, but it is a serious one. Are there rules to not copycat here, John? That would be news to me. :hi:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:26 PM
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62. I just didnt think it convential
I am trying to find a common ground between my Catholicism and my support for gay people to be treated as humans. You see, I understand why some gay people would have a hard time with it, after all religion has been used as the motivation for violence towards gay people for thousands of years so I sympathize, but I don't like being called foolish because of my faith, and I know no one is saying that but it's an attiude that I really disagree with some athiests-agnostics on. My copycat of this is serious too btw.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:22 PM
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119. Hello Catholic JohnKleeb!
What are you going to do ( someday ;) ), when you go to Engagement Encounter and you know that your fiancée is carrying birth control pills in her purse because you yourself picked them up at the pharmacy on your way home from work before you left for Engagement Encounter?

I've got to tell you, that day of Engagement Encounter where the Very-Nice-and-Sincere-Married-Catholic Couple discusses "natural" family planning and sexuality is probably going to be one of the longest days of your entire life, especially if it happens at the end of one of the Nice-and-Sincere couple's "no sex" times. (I think that poor guy had to tape it down.)

My wife and I have two kids... Hmmm... (as somebody around here once said about some BBV files that got loose on the internet...) ...looks at sky...

Whenever my wife and I look around our Church we see quite a few couples who have one, two, or three kids. It's a miracle, yeah, that's it, a miracle.

We also have friends who are lesbians, and wow, some of them have kids too! More miracles every day... of a slightly different sort.

There's going to be people who label this attitude as the worst sort of hypocricy or sin, but I don't feel that way. Every human institution is flawed, yes, even our Catholic Church. To the extent that the Church denies human rights, it is wrong. (We don't even have to talk about pedophile priests, etc.) To the extent that the Church strives for social justice, it is right.

All in all, I'd rather be part of it than not.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:25 PM
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61. I think I love you....
Please don't change! :)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:32 PM
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64. No way... I already tried that over 20 years ago...
didn't take... :loveya: too :)
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Pragmatique Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:31 PM
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63. Homosexual reality
Any student of Anthropology would point out that homosexuality has existed and does exist in every culture ever studied. It's a part of the vast continuum of behavior that we call human sexuality, and it's apparently always existed.

One thing confusing the issue is that some pathological behavior, including compulsive sex addiction, is manifested by an indiscriminate drive for sexual expression with partners of either sex. Within that context, people are actually heterosexual, but because of their neurotic compulsive disorder they engage in homosexual acts and activities without having a specific innate homosexual orientation.


The challenge for the mental health community, or anyone attempting to understand the issue, is in separating the pathological elements of sexual behavior from a healthy expression of individual sexuality.

It seems to me that if you were comfortable with your sexuality you probably wouldn't ask the question you've asked?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:33 PM
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65. Another reason why I explained that it was a copycat thread.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-04 01:35 PM by Misunderestimator
Of course I have no intention of entertaining any answers as to why I shouldn't be gay (anymore than the poster who posted the thread for which this is a copycat had any intention of entertaining answers as to why she should not be a Christian). I'm quite comfortable, thanks.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:50 PM
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66. Because Lesbian sounds like something from outer space
I don't know why I hate that word...always have...
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anonymousdemocrat Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:53 PM
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68. so does "androgyne"...

...don't you think?

:hi:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:44 PM
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76. LESBIAN....
Lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian lesbian :D
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:41 PM
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80. :-)
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:49 PM
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82. hehehe
you know I stole that from you :)
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:55 PM
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69. If Kerry can be a lesbian
as claimed elsewhere on DU, then it's just fine with me if you are one too.

JOHN KERRY: Our first lesbian president.

:-)
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:33 AM
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102. i have a female kitten named kerry
she might be a lesbian :shrug:
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:06 PM
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124. I ACTUALLY MADE THIS MISTAKE!
I saw someone I thought was John Kerry riding a bicycle. It turned out to be a tall woman who, if not lesbian, had a distinctly lesbian style. The hair, especially, was uncannily similar.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:12 PM
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70. Because you're a myth
Go to a video shop.

Go to the gay porn section. It's all man-on-man.

Go to the straight porn section. Try to find a release without some all-women action. IM-possible.

Man love: GAY-0!

Woman love: TEH HOTTZ3RZ!

In dysfunctional weirdly-sexed America, you are a "straight".

Sorry. Thems the rules.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:51 PM
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84. Ain't that the sad truth.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:34 PM
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73. Is Lesbia part of the Axis of Evil?
Because we don't want no goddamn terra-ists postin here at Free Republic! :crazy:
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:40 PM
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79. Be who you want to be--be what you are
that's the freedom that we're all supposed to have in this country, right? Live well, be happy, and vote Democratic every single chance you get is my motto.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:45 PM
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81. I love lesbians. But of course, you knew that.
Anybody ever give you any guff about being a lesbian, just send them my way.

I'll kick their silly asses.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 04:50 PM
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83. Aw, thanks...
No one I know personally ever gives me any guff... they wouldn't dare :)... but next time a stranger does, I'll send'em your way. :D
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 06:36 PM
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88. But the Rethugs have told me you are after my children...
But but but ... my kids are boys. So that would make you hetero, right? Oh No! I'm so confuuuuuzzzzzed!

More power to ya. (
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:34 AM
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89. Well, darn it .... I'm going to kick my copycat then
:)
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:41 AM
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90. I don't think I could.
There's a lot of benefits really. You don't have to worry about birth control, unwanted pregnancies, trying to figure out a completely opposite gender, less risk of STDs than for strait women, and you can share clothes.

Actually, it's too bad I have this unwavering attraction to the big, hairy types with the extra appendages. I can't help it though dammit. They're just so... so... yummy. :D


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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:46 AM
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91. LOL.... Ew
The sharing clothes thing rocks, actually!! But when you break up you find you've grown attached to your girlfriend's wardrobe :D
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:48 PM
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117. That sounded bad, didn't it?
I was talking about males being yummy, not the appendages. Those further details are more personal. We'll just leave it at that. ;)
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trigz Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:53 AM
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92. You're not wrong. Nor are any other gays, lesbians or heterosexuals.
Sexuality is not wrong.
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gottalickbush Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:06 AM
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93. why
Why would anyone want to? I think its ok.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:10 AM
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94. Judging by your user name... I would think you would think so...
And, welcome to DU. :toast: (This is a copycat thread, I'm not seriously asking anyone for advice :) )
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gottalickbush Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:43 AM
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105. Thanks
for the welcome. I'm having a great time here. Just thought it would be a funny name. Kind of two-fold, if you get my meaning.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:26 AM
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95. Ummm....hmmmmm.....Because.....ummmmmm
Because other people know what's good for you, better than you yourself do? After all, it's the New American Way... /sarcasm off.

FWIW...I love you just the way you are. :pals:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:31 AM
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97. Ok, then so tell me why I should be a Christian.
J/K ... Love you too MrsGrumpy :pals:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:33 AM
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98. Because it's your job to judge people in the name of Christ dammit!
;) Don't act like him...just speak for him. Again /sarcasm off.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:28 AM
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96. I have no reason to give you - especially when I think of my Ex.
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:49 AM
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99. Don't you ever just miss a hard dick? n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:52 AM
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100. Variety is the Spice of Life, Yes?
Why cut yourself off from having fun with both men and women?
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gottalickbush Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:42 AM
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103. exactly
My point. You can have fun and just love to live life. There is nothing wrong with it
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Gaffey Duck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:52 AM
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101. One reason.
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 08:53 AM by Gaffey Duck
Bush might finally get elected.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:43 AM
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104. You should be who you are
You're not wrong. God doesn't make mistakes.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:38 AM
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106. No sex loving hetero can ever really oppose Lesbianism
Yes, yes, I know all of the arguments about how lesbians hate voyeuristic hetero males who gawk at them holding hands and kissing in public, but there's just something....

...kind of...

WOW :loveya: :wow: :bounce: }(

...about seeing two women go at it.

Most men who speak out against lesbianism are just jealous that they cannot join in. :grouphug:
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gottalickbush Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:22 PM
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109. lol
You guys are funny!!
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:04 PM
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107. Because you hate men and you want to torture them...
Christ wants you to marry some poor sinner so he can live in misery for the rest of his life. The same goes for you gay guys, you must marry women. God created homosexuals to increase the general level of suffering in the world. If you survive that intense sort of suffering with a lifetime of Holy Heterosexual Matrimony (or Abstinence), it opens the doors to Heaven.


<End Extreme Sarcasm>

When my first girlfriend (who mostly kept me around to show off to her parents) finally dumped me for a woman, the angels in heaven scooped my bloody broken self up off the street and took me to a far better place.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:19 PM
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108. Because us straight male pervs want to FANTASIZE about you dammit!
:evilgrin: :spank: :evilgrin: :spank: :evilgrin: :spank: :evilgrin: :spank: :evilgrin:
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gottalickbush Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:23 PM
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110. you devil
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LibLover Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:47 PM
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112. Be happy with who you are
I've been sexually active since a few days after my 15th birthday. I was with my first girl a month later. If you can find love you should not allow others to tell you who to make your life with.

In addition to my love for men, I am physically and sometimes even emotionally attracted to other women. I do not consider myself gay. I will someday marry and have children. I joined this site to support gay marriage, adding my voice to those who think government should not make the decision for a couple in love.

I grew up a nice "church girl". God, to me, was never a punitive "fire and brimstone" entity. He's (to me) more of a best friend and mentor. I feel in my heart that God does not condemn the notion of two people wanting to spend eternity together in love.

Go ahead, be a gay person! You can be a good person and gay at the same time.
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:48 PM
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116. welcome to DU!
:hi:
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LibLover Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:00 PM
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118. Thank you!
:hi:
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:53 PM
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113. It keeps you from dating me, which is clearly unacceptable
Be flattered, my dear. I don't just shadow ANYONE. :)
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:33 PM
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120. Because some guy in my school newspaper
said that ya'll are the reason that mankind has gone into the crapper. Mind you, you do have some company along with premarital sex and all. So, how does it feel to be responsible for the downfall of mankind? :D

Here's the article if you really want to read it. Called "Stop All the Gay Love" :eyes:

http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news/2004/10/19/Perspectives/Stop-All.The.Gay.Love-772478.shtml
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:36 PM
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121. I could explain to you why not to be a copycat,but...
as for all that fundie jazz,it's strictly the bunk. I don't recall Jesus ever wasting much teaching time on lecturing people about keeping their robes zipped.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:55 PM
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122. Because we might meet some enchanted evening....
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 03:56 PM by BiggJawn
across a crowded room, and I might like you, and you might like me...

And no, I'm NOT going to Colorado for "The Surgery"...
:-)

Other than that, I don't really care which team you bat for. Just be happy, that's what's important.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:12 PM
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125. If you can give me a reason not to be a straight man
I'll copy it into an answer to your question.
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