Schilling makes me want to puke.

[indigobusiness]

"Tonight was God's work."

[St. Jarvitude]

1. Is there something wrong with being a Christian?

What's to say he's a total nutjob fundy? Why does his faith make you want to puke?

[maveric]

4. Give yourself the credit Curt. You did it.

God could give a shit about a ballgame. And if he does then his priorities are way screwed up.

[Red State Rebel]

71. God may not care about a ballgame, but he cares about

Curt Schilling (among others). If Curts faith in God got him through last night then that is his business. If wants to give God credit for the strength that his faith gives him then that is up to him.

Some people thank their Mom, some people praise Allah, why do people have to be so hateful just because someone thanks God?

[redstateblues]

5. I don't think God picks teams to pull for.

[Red State Rebel]

72. Curt didn't say that....

He simply gave God credit for his performance.

[faithnotgreed]

7. im with you on this one.... he was being humble

good for curt. most people want the credit for themselves esp when a pitcher like he is

[indigobusiness]

10. Humble my ass

Typical Schilling self-agrandizing.

Sacrilege is what it is.

[faithnotgreed]

22. i thought it was ... but i would have to know more about schilling

to know what typical schilling self-agrandizing is. and i certainly cant know whats in anyone elses heart

peace man

[FightinNewDem]

59. Schilling

Schilling never said God cared about a ballgame. What he was refering to was the power that faith can instill in you when you need to dig deep, when you have to find that last, seemingly lost bit of fire inside yourself. Those of us who have faced challenges, be they small or large, and relied on our faith in God to find that last reservoir of strength understand what Curt meant.

And Schilling is indeed surprisingly humble for a guy who qualifies as one of the greates players of his day. Schilling has been known to spend hours talking baseball with fans in Sox chat rooms (look for "Gehrig38"), and he and his wife Shonda have dedicated an enormous amount of time, money and effort to a number of Boston area charities, most notably ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) research.

[faithnotgreed]

61. yeah,, im with you here.

[indigobusiness]

8. There's nothing Christian about that.

Implying that God has an interest in Boston beating the Yankees just confirms the fraudulence of his faith.

He has no concept of God.

[Bluebear]

11. I don't care for this either but I think he was referring to his injury

That he was just able to go out and pitch, bleeding and hurt.

[St. Jarvitude]

16. He was referring to his injury

It's pretty fucking incredible that he was able to pitch seven innings on one working foot. If I were a man of faith, I would definitely believe that my god had given me the strength to pitch seven nearly flawless innings.

If the Red Sox had blown it, I'll bet he still would've thanked god for giving him the strength to pitch that well.

[al bupp]

32. this wasn't what he said at all

During the after game press conference, he made it clear that he didn't pray to win or even play well, but simply have the strength to compete. Even an old atheist like me can appreciate that sentiment.

[Red State Rebel]

74. He didn't say that God had an interest in the game.

He said that his performance was Gods work - as in his faith in God and God's strength got him through that nights work.

That is not fraudulent.

[Arkana]

79. Bitter Yankees fans

It's pretty ugly how bitter Yankees fans are, isn't it? :evilgrin:

[LSK]

53. No, but there is something wrong with PROMOTING IT

IMO keep your religion to yourself and your relationship with God SHOULD BE PRIVATE.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

65. God should be private? ummm...good luck with that

looked at a coin lately?

[ScreamingMeemie]

93. Then keep your non belief to yourself, K? Does that work for you?

Obviously not, because here you are, in this thread. :eyes:

[HEyHEY]

60. There is when you try to say god favours you over someone else

That's just stupid.

Who else says god is on their side?

hmmmmmmmmm

[Mojambo]

2. Yeah, I hate that shit

But I don't really care what inspires anyone.

That was a legendary pitching performance by Schilling. I was most impressed.

[Endangered Specie]

3. God pulls for the Sox, the Devil pulls for the Yankees

;)

[JohnKleeb]

13. hah

The Sox are the heroes of everyone who has gotten beat up by a bully :D. The Yanks are that cocky ass bully.

[BlueJazz]

6. I know what you mean. I guess in game one, God was pissed...

..off at him or maybe God didn't want to work that night.

I remember during the hurricane season (I'm in Florida) ..People won't say "I've lost everything I own and my neighbors are dead but my cat is alive>>>Thank God!"

Oh Brother.
Religion...Marching the masses forward to the 16th century.

[DianeG5385]

9. Maybe it was

Kerry=Massachusets. Besides, baseball ain't baseball unless it's bottom of the ninth ,two out, two on, 3-2. Have at it.

[Bleacher Creature]

12. This says it all.

I know a lot of people think that Bob Costas is a bit full of himself, but his quote on religion in sports is absolutely perfect.

"It makes no sense that a God who, for all human understanding, can appear indifferent to major pain and suffering on a large scale or the illness of a child, would intercede to help get a first down."

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. If God is really omnipotent...

...then that means He has an infinitely large sense of humor.

I think these things bother us more than they bother Him...

[indigobusiness]

21. Putting God in that context is disgusting

Schilling has been milking the God thing for way too long.

It wouldn't bother me if he worshipped ducks, if he did it with dignity.

[Tesibria]

15. I agree!!!

and I say that as a "person of faith"

What's he saying -- that G-d is mad or doesn't like the Yankees?

It infuriates me when any athelete says that his/her success is due to "G-d's work" or similar. That implies, necessarily, that G-d was against the other team/competitor or that the other competitor just wasn't G-dly enough.

that whole "thing" is a microcosim of the very dangerous Americanism (i.e., G-d is on our side; G-d endowed the USA with special gifts and rewards).


ON EDIT: TO be clear -- I'm a Braves fan living in Chicago. I HATE the Yankees (but I'm not G-d).

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. Notice it's ALWAYS the evangelical fundies who say that?

Divisive, mean, ignorant, pompous, holier-than-thou, arrogant, self-centered, hypocritical, selfish, unbearable SOBs.

[St. Jarvitude]

20. What evidence do you have that Schilling is any of those things?

Let's hear it.

[Tesibria]

31. Athelete's rabbit foot

i think it's just a "rabbit foot" -- I don't THINK anyway that Schilling is any of those things.

Nomar has his little "autistic-style" process before each at bat.
Rafeal Furcal has his .. uhm .. cross/prayer/point thing
Sosa has his .. uhm ..cross/prayer, two-finger point thing

In Bull Durham, Robbins had his thong thing.

it's all about superstition.

but ... i HATE it when they bring G-d in on their side ..... as if.

[indigobusiness]

36. As if

sums it up

[St. Jarvitude]

43. When did Schilling say God was on his side?

The only thing backing up your argument is twisted words and the placement of words into Schilling's mouth.

I'll join you in your outrage when Schilling comes out and says "God is on our side." (which is precisely what this Chimp I know said once.)

[alarimer]

18. they never blame God when they lose

I always wonder why not? In Texas on any given fall Friday night there are about 400 football games going. Each team prays for a win but every single time, one team loses. Either God flips a lot of coins or he isn't paying any attention at all.

[St. Jarvitude]

19. It wasn't about beating the Yankees

It was about pitching seven innings of one run baseball on one leg.

It'd be one thing if he came out and said "God wants us to win," but you've twisted his words to suit your own thesis (unless I misheard him... in which case I apologize for everything I've said on this thread)

[Bluebear]

23. Cripes he was bleeding!

I took it as a personal thanksgiving and I am not religious, but he pitched an historic performance tonight.

[faithnotgreed]

25. it was awesome wasnt it?

[indigobusiness]

24. You've missed the point

entirely.

[St. Jarvitude]

26. LOL - ok, do explain

Enlighten me :)

I guess I missed the point in your one sentence post.

[indigobusiness]

29. No, you missed the point of the thread.

The knock on Schilling since Philly has been he's a showboater.

The christian bit is just a relatively new twist.

It is clearly exploitive and shallow. Worthy of contempt not respect.

Nothing righteous in his wearing God on his sleeve.

Helluva performance, otherwise.

[St. Jarvitude]

27. Does anyone have the actual quote?

Attributed to a reputable news organization or with any kind of source at all?

I was only half-listening to the postgame interview, and I missed his exact words. It would be very helpful if we all knew them.

[indigobusiness]

30. He was just on Baseball Tonight saying the same crap.

Bad...bad.

[St. Jarvitude]

52. OK, but where's the quote?

I usually don't watch Baseball Tonight (boycotting ABC/ESPN because of the disgusting comments by their commentators during MNF and their weekly college football show) so I didn't catch what he said there.

If he came out and said "God is on our side" ala *, then I made a horrible mistake in defending him. But I still see only speculation and twisting of words and no actual quotes to back up the "Schilling is a fundy" theory.

[theboss]

28. And I don't understand why people get upset about this

If someone thinks God or Allah or their grandpa in heaven helped them do something, then - in a way - that's what happened.

[indigobusiness]

34. That's fine...it's the exploitiveness that is digusting.

It would be bad enough if he exploited granpa in heaven...but this is worse.

[theboss]

39. If I had just pitched 7 brilliant innings on one foot...

I would be interrepting the interview to tell you how wonderful I think the good people at Phillip Morris are or something. I think it shows that his priorities are in line. Frankly, he's probably thankful that his foot didn't explode tonight and end his career.

[faithnotgreed]

33. post game news conference schilling said he

prayed for strength to go out there, not to win the game or to make good pitches, but just the strength to go out there. those were his words, said that way

in case anyones interested i just wanted to pass it along...

[al bupp]

35. Right on

[faithnotgreed]

44. thanks al... i appreciate it.

he made a point of saying those things, so i was just passing them along for the record, so everyone has the information....

[al bupp]

49. My Pleasure, Madam

Pleased to make your aquaintance.

[faithnotgreed]

51. same here.... im glad youre with us on du!

ive enjoyed seeing you on the red sox threads. heres to another awesome showdown tomorrow night

[al bupp]

57. Raising a Toast

:toast:

[indigobusiness]

37. Out of context quotes are freeperish

watch the whole thing

[St. Jarvitude]

38. Putting words in someone else's mouth is "freeperish" too (n/t)

[faithnotgreed]

55. thank you sir... i think there may have been a mixup in

communication. after thinking on it, im almost positive that indigo thinks i was referencing the immediate after game comment that curt made, as opposed to the post-game news conference that i was quoting from

thats probably what happened and would explain the responses. were all on the same side here at du and i sure dont want any arguments over a baseball game!

again, thank you and its nice to "meet" you

[faithnotgreed]

40. i dont know whats going on here... i just passed along what the guy

said in the post game news conference. and when the transcript is up (if it is) , i am more than happy to post it here because i only posted exactly what he said

freeperish? where is that coming from?

[indigobusiness]

42. Partial truths are indistinguishable from lies

Your quote was deceptive.

[faithnotgreed]

47. partial truths? deceptive? those were his exact words. maybe we

have a breakdown in communication. again, i was passing along what schilling said in post game news conference on espn,
not when he was interviewed immediately after the game... maybe thats where the confusion is....

because those were his words when he was sitting behind the table, being interviewed by all the reporters after the game, after hes showered and all that

i sure believe in communication and i apologize if i wasnt crystal clear in my reporting

[indigobusiness]

54. It is incomplete.

One word left out of a sentence can reverse its meaning. Dig?

Besides, my reference was to his video intvw. If you view it and disagree with me, I can respect that.

[faithnotgreed]

58. i dont know what one word youre speaking of but im happy to hear

what that was. and if i left any word out then i sure am sorry. im not aware of what that was and would like to know what you mean

and as i mentioned i was referencing the news conference... i think youre talking about his first post game comments, immediately following the game

i appreciate you talking this out with me., i want to understand

[al bupp]

41. Methinks you have something personal against Shill, Sir

I honestly think it's you who have mischaracterized his comments and taken them out of context.

[indigobusiness]

45. Schilling has a legacy of exploitation and a history of criticism for it

by professional writers, fans, players, you name it.

It isn't personal, just disgusting in the extreme.

[al bupp]

48. Can you cite something specific, Sir?

A link, or anything? Otherwise, I say it's sour grapes.

[indigobusiness]

50. Believe what you wish. The specifics are legion

if you care to google it.

Anybody that has payed any attention to baseball over the last decade is aware of it.

[al bupp]

56. You Made the Accusations, Sir

And it's my job to look up the references. Humm, sounds like a dodge to me.

I've paid more than a little attention to baseball in the last decade, but somehow missed what you refer to. Apparently, it's a deficiency on my part.

[theboss]

62. I think you are a little too worked about this

George Allen must have driven you positively apoplectic.

[Forkboy]

64. I've "payed" attention to baseball all my life

this is news to me.

Why don't YOU google it?

[indigobusiness]

67. If you had paid attention, you would know it's true.

Why should I google it, I'm not trying to convince anyone to agree with my opinion. Just stating it and defending it,

Pointing out spelling errors is considered bad form on DU, rude.

[Phillycat]

70. No it isn't.

Pointing out spelling errors is a public service.

Hi Forkboy! :hi:

[indigobusiness]

80. It is bad etiquette on DU

have you read the rules?

[Phillycat]

81. I have.

It is not against the rules. Spelling errors clutter our board and make us look semi-literate. I'm sure we can do better.

Our opinions differ on this and many things, sir. I'm sure we won't find resolution here.

[Forkboy]

83. Hi there!!!!

:hi:

[Forkboy]

82. I have paid attention

yet I still have no clue whatsoever about what you're talking about.Hell,I live in the Boston area,have watched Schilling all year and have yet to hear anyone mention it.


Why should I google it, I'm not trying to convince anyone to agree with my opinion. Just stating it and defending it,

And I'm just saying until you show some evidence I will believe you're full of shite and making a claim you CAN'T backup.

Pointing out spelling errors is considered bad form on DU, rude.

So is making claims that one refuses to backup.

[St. Jarvitude]

46. Your OP is completely out of context

Taking the "Tonight was God's work" quote (did he even say that? I still don't have the original quote to work with...) and overlooking everything else Schilling said.

[theboss]

63. Did Schilling beat you up in a bar once?

Let it go, man.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

75. pot, meet kettle

jeez...

theProdigal

[leftofthedial]

66. God blew his arm out back in high school

he couldn't even get a lame-o like Johnny Damon out, much less the Yank-me's.

Schilling won. "God" had nothing to do with it.

[Phillycat]

68. Schilling can say anything he wants.

His performance last night was the most courageous and talented I've ever seen in any sport.

Besides, I'm not religious, but how other people practice their religion is not my business.

[redqueen]

69. Oh whatfuckingever

:eyes:

[auburngrad82]

73. Yankees fan, are you?

[Phillycat]

77. Seriously.

How can you watch that man do what he did last night and not have the utmost respect for him? It's baffling. Even lots of Yanks fans are saying they are totally impressed.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

76. so, his faith could not have been a help

you know what...YOU are the reason people who visit/participate in this website believe there is a RAMPANT anti-christian/anti-religion bias...

f-off
theProdigal

[Phillycat]

78. Oh, I think we're dealing with a bitter Yankees fan here.

Not so much an anti-Christian. This is personal.

I agree, his post is way out of line and totally baffling, after what the man did last night.

[indigobusiness]

84. You people don't get it. The phony, sanctimonious, self-serving prick

is not a credit to any faith. His religion is Curtism.

His performance, on the field, was something else entirely.

[Beware the Beast Man]

85. Why does the pavement smell funny after a rain storm?

:shrug:

[Dan-W]

87. n/t

[KamaAina]

86. If Gawd is in fact a Sox fan,

She certainly has had a funny way of showing it these past fourscore and six!

Seriously, Curt, go easy on the painkillers. Remember what happened to Brett Favre...

Edit: Or, could Schilling be implying that the Almighty is, in fact, that lowest of sports critters, the bandwagon-jumper, having only taken the Sox' side this year? Blasphemy, I tell you! :-)

[WilliamPitt]

88. pzzzzzzcheeeeeeeezzzzzz

[MissMillie]

89. What I heard him say was

That he did not pray for the Sox to win or lose, but he prayed that he could perform his job well, and he thanked God for answering his prayer.

I'm sorry that you want to puke at that.

There are lots of people of faith in this world and if they all want to make you puke, you're going to be sick most of the time.

[northzax]

90. and wasn't it?

was it not God, in his worldview, who gave him the talent to throw a 90 mile an hour fastball? so he thinks God gave him the ability and the strength to perform like that, big deal.

as for the people who say prayer doesn't work at games. Every prayer I have ever heard at a sporting event )at least publically) is for everyone to play their best, and for everyone to be safe. No one wants to have a mistake decide something, it's better to have two teams play as hard, and as well, as they are capable and for the better one to win.

[ScreamingMeemie]

91. Good for him. It's a free country, and we have a right to practice our

religion freely and invoke God's name if we so wish....whether you like it or not.

[Phillycat]

92. My point exactly.

Freedom of religion is every bit as important and worth protecting as any other civil right.