I'm watching "The Passion of the Christ" and I swear it makes me want to

[Misunderestimator]

convert to Judaism. This is the most anti-semitic piece of shit I've ever seen. And oh, poor, poor Pontius Pilate... he really had no choice because the Jews would declare war if he didn't execute him. :puke:

What version of the bible did Mel read anyway? It surely wasn't the one I read.

[knowbody0]

1. absolutely a propaganda film

to rally xtains round the bush
i have not and will not see the film. the violence in just the previews nauseating

[Misunderestimator]

8. Yes... it is nauseating... but I've been curious about it...

and am glad to be watching it, as now I'm convinced that it couldn't possibly have swayed anyone's opinion who wasn't already brainwashed.

[Elidor]

2. It should be called The Horsewhipping of Jesus

That guy was dead three times over! But like an extra from Night of the Living Dead, he just won't stay down! It was so awful, I started reciting lines from the "Things not to say while watching The Passion" thread. What a gore-fest. My fundie sister almost had a spontaneous premature rapture over that piece of filth.

I'll take Last Temptation over that anyday.

[Misunderestimator]

3. Yeah... it's just getting to the gory stuff now...

But what amazes me is how this could influence anyone, except to make them see the ridiculousness of it all. Oh well, at least only "true believers" would buy into this shit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Wow Jesus and Rodney King should compare notes

[Misunderestimator]

16. Can't we all just get along?

[JSJ]

62. i laughed, i cried, too

[skygazer]

72. At that point in the movie

I honestly expected him to crawl to his feet and cry out, "FREEDOM" a la Braveheart. Yeah, pretty disgusting all around.

[Fenris]

4. Ah, yes, everyone's favorite anti-semitic Christian snuff film.

The controversey over that movie, not to mention the horror that it encapsulated, made me remember why I can't believe in a god: his followers*.









*DISCLAIMER - I said "his" implying if there was a God, it would be male. I find it hard to believe that a deity could really have a gender. Nevertheless, God definitely isn't a woman. A woman could not have fucked things up this bad.

[Misunderestimator]

6. Hahaha "A woman could not have fucked things up this bad."

:thumbsup: You got THAT right!

[Fenris]

10. Yeah, I just don't see God being a woman.

:D:hi:

[flamingyouth]

7. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Thank you. :D

[Fenris]

9. I only speak the truth.

:D

[greyfox]

71. You are probably right

about a woman not messing it all up this bad; but PLEASE don't lump us all (Christians) in one bag. And, well, the Bible (which WE believe, okay?) plainly says, "Our Father...." so... guess HE is a he. Hey, but He did a GREAT job making the women I have known..."for all the girls I've loved before...." LOL

[Hog lover]

76. Guess what gender wrote the Bible - MEN, that's who

So get a grip on that literal reading stuff. No offense intended, but good grief!

[greyfox]

82. Is that a BAD thing?

That men wrote the Bible? If we believe (as Jesus said) that the Word is "inspired of (by) God", what does it matter who picked up the pen? And what of Ruth and other Godly women?
Sorry, but I happen to take it all literally, yes... with the wisdom (teaching) that only the spirit can impart.
BUT... you have every right to your own understanding and belief. We can only share what we know to be truth in OUR lives. Yes?

[Misunderestimator]

83. Yes... it is indeed a bad thing that there was only one chapter of said

book written (or so we think) by a woman. You take it ALL literally... really? Do you then not eat shellfish and do you believe that you should beat your children?

[greyfox]

94. Hahahah bless your heart

I don't eat fish at all... and I believe that sparing the rod indeed does spoil the child (and have ample evidence to prove it by the last 2 generations of run-amuck heatherns LOL) - but "beating" is not necessary when they are raised right! LOL (I am kidding there.. beating is never right for any reason, and (I believe) not the connotation meant by the word translators used, but hey... you and I have a right to believe what we want...

That said, that is what I meant by KNOWING the Word (only possible by faith through the spirit) - and rightly dividing it. When Jesus came, the old law was put away and a new thing was done. We learn from the old and we follow the "new" testament.

Women had a place, yes. Just as men did (do) -- I need not defend God's reasoning... indeed, cannot.

[Misunderestimator]

95. If you heard the voice of God in your head...

telling you to kill your child to prove your love for God... would you do that? See... I just have a really difficult time with people who take the bible literally. "Women had a place"... Yes... in the bible, women's place was to serve men, own nothing, have babies, be stoned, tempt men (be evil)...

I can understand men who believe what they read in the bible, since it gives men all the power. I will never understand women believing it all. I guess they are the same women who vote against their own interests and keep all of us down with them.

[greyfox]

97. Oh my...

you must READ the Bible, dear. Women were exalted by God so much... they were powerful leaders... and so much more...

Study... THEN fuss at God, not at the believer. Godly women have made an immense difference in the world.

[Misunderestimator]

98. I have no interest in studying the bible... AGAIN....

I spent my entire childhood reading it every night and going to church every Sunday... I know that I've told you already that I HAVE read the bible... why do you keep telling me to read it.... uh.... dear?

And no, I won't fuss at God... I'll fuss at all those men who wrote the book.

[greyfox]

99. Okee dokee

fuss at em...you go! (I am sorry about "dear"... I thought maybe you were a lady)... and it pops out. I am trying to make cyber friends, but it seems some folks just wanna fuss... not me...

I am who and what I am - and no changing that -- and I assume the same for you. I would not change ya if I could... what good would that be...? I wanna variety of cyber pals...so, I won't fuss at all, how's dat?

Have one GREAT day... sunny here in Nawth Caroliner!

[wickerwoman]

88. Nope. That's your *translation* of the Bible.

In the original Hebrew the pronoun for God is "they" not "he". It was later translators who "fixed" God's gender.

[VOX]

5. "Swell Mel" is campaigning against stem-cell research here in CA...

No surprise there.

He strikes me as a guy who's had a nervous breakdown, and now feels compelled to share his "vision" with the rest world.

May I join you in clearing Mel out of my system? :puke:

[Misunderestimator]

12. Yep... He's all about trying to convince people to hate Jews

But doesn't believe in helping humanity combat disease. I hereby VOW to never watch another movie that has anything to do with Mel.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

11. Roger Ebert said it was the most violent move he has ever seen

...and he's seen quite a few, obviously.

The fact that Gibson could take the story of a man of peace and love and turn it into a movie most notable for it's violence, blood and gore says a lot about Gibson and the christian fundies who loved the movie so much.

[Misunderestimator]

13. And besides the gore... it's unbelievably boring and slow

which would be why I'm posting at the same time as watching.

[Misunderestimator]

14. OMG... Now they have a Jewish bystander forced to help carry the cross

and looking at Jesus with disdain... couldn't BE more obvious. How fucking insulting this movie is.

On edit... but now they have him (the cross-carrier) telling them to stop... I'm so confused.

[Fenris]

17. Isn't that Simon that carries the cross?

Damn. I can never remember. Simon the Cyrenean or somesuch.

[Misunderestimator]

18. Shit... you're probably right... in any case, they made him look like

a wimp at first... now he's all noble. I thought this film would be more than just the whole betrayal, condemnation and crucifixion... but it appears to be just that. I'm shocked that Mel wouldn't want to show the 30+ years before all this.

Oh wait, now we're getting some flashbacks... looks like the Sermon on the Mount... but the flashbacks last only seconds, the real point is the gore, I guess.

[Fenris]

21. I love the fact that Passion plays in the late Middle Ages

Renaissance, and beyond had the underlying, blatantly obvious purpose of inciting hatred of the Jews. The nun whose writings he based his screenplay on was a very controversial, wholly anti-semitic German. I'd say that's a fine source to glean information from. :eyes:

Well, now that you've seen the movie, Mel thinks you'll want to buy some "spiritual" products.

http://thepassionshirts.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=TPS


:D

[Misunderestimator]

28. Oh jeez... women's fitted tees .... too much!

:D

[WCGreen]

52. That's how it was i the Bible...

Simon was a bystander who was "won" over by Jesus....

[Misunderestimator]

54. Yes, that I agree with... and it was depicted accurately

at least according to the "bible."

[helnwhls]

19. "The Passion of the Christ" made me mel-intolerant

I used to be able to watch "Mad Max" and enjoy it. I just kind of ignored the stuff Mel was doing and saying. After "Passion", I can no longer even see him on the screen. Ewwww.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

20. Have you READ the bible?

Because everything in that movie was scripture.
Duckie

[Misunderestimator]

23. LOL... I have read the bible many times over

thank you very much.

[Zuni]

47. Duckie was correct---it follows the gospels

re read your gospels. Everything from the Sanhedrin to Pilate to the betrayals was in there.

[Misunderestimator]

53. It might "follow" the gospels but it completely exaggerates the Jewish

element. I HAVE read the gospels... many times, whether I wanted to or not. Do you not agree that this film went over the top in depicting Jews badly?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

58. I was being sarcastic...

...and they were that bad. They demanded that christ by crucified. They were hungry for blood for his "blasphemy".
Duckie

[Misunderestimator]

59. Glad you were being sarcastic, but it didn't really sound that way...

and though I agree that the "bible" did lay blame on the Jewish leaders, this film went WAY over the top in blaming them.

[Misunderestimator]

22. Stigmata time... now it's REALLY getting gory.

Split between scenes from the Last Supper and nailing his hands and feet to the cross. Mel, Mel, Mel... why wouldn't you want to show the good parts? It really IS all about hate and revenge for you. What a pitiful life you must lead.

[FreedomFry]

25. Mel is playing out his masochism on the screen.

Just about every movie he's ever been in or directed has some kind of torture. The "Lethal Weapon" movies, "Road Warrior," even "The Year of Living Dangerously." It became clear with "Braveheart." The man LOVES being drawn and quartered. Guess James Caviezel loves it, too. Two peas in a sad little pod.

[Misunderestimator]

27. Good point. Even though I've liked some of his movies...

they all DO seem to have the same gory element. I swear I will never watch another.

[Deja Q]

30. Agreed. And when Mel's movie SHOULD have been about

showing a lot of Christ's good deeds BEFORE being turned into a humanoid punching bag that would MAKE us care more for Jesus, all we got was a gory S&M fest that's EMPTY VIOLENCE TYPICAL OF HOLLYWOOD AND THEIR CON$ERVATIVE $UPPORTER$.

[Misunderestimator]

43. Yep... It's over now... and it really WAS all about the last few days

Very weird... I'm not really sure what he was trying to put across.

[smitty]

24. the passion of mel

I made the mistake of seeing "The Passion" at a local movie theater; I thought it was a revolting piece of anti-semitic trash; the bible as written by de Sade and Hitler. The "South Park" episode dealing with the movie and Mel Gibson was spot on---Gibson is a whack job and "The Passion" is nothing more than a snuff movie for religious crackpots.

[Johnny 99]

26. Passion plays

were used in medieval Europe to stir up passions to go out on a pogrom against local Jews. Do with that information what you will.

[elcondor]

29. As a Jew, I avoided it like the plague in the theatres

but I happened across it last night on my college's channel (it's kind of a fundie school) and I was absolutely shocked. Literally, my mouth dropped open. It angers me that it made as much money as it did! :grr:

[Misunderestimator]

32. It's unbelievable that it made ANY money.

I guess it's like the fascination of motorists to slow down to watch a wreck... that's all that comes across to me.

[flaming bondage mask]

31. The other weekend my friends and I agreed to

rent it *in a state of :smoke: I feel I must add* and critique & point / laugh. When Saturday rolled around we changed our minds, the film has nothing of value to contribute to society.

Of course, I'm being a wingnut dissing F911 before seeing it, but at least I know how the story ends :eyes:

[Misunderestimator]

33. Don't bother... you're absolutely correct, that it adds nothing.

[BlueJazz]

"The passion of the christ" has all the originality

...of the bible.

[Misunderestimator]

35. LOL...

Sorry to Christians out there (I was one once)... but people who believe everything they read in the bible are just plain idiots. And this movie makes it all the more obvious.

[NightTrain]

34. Thank God I'm an Atheist!

:evilgrin:

[Misunderestimator]

36. For the past 20 years I've considered myself an agnostic...

this movie convinces me of the insanity of it all, thanks Mel... count me an atheist as well.

(Not really... the Mel part, that is... it's people like Bush who really convinced me.)

[NightTrain]

40. Awesome!

Now, if you were only into guys.... ;)

[Misunderestimator]

41. LMAO... Good one!

:)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

69. Back off buddy!

:evilgrin:

[Misunderestimator]

81. LOL... I just saw this post...

You're so cute. :)

[smitty]

44. the passion of mel, part 2

You don't have to be an atheist to despise this movie. It really is loathsome; I've never seen a movie that I detested more than "The Passion"; it's simultaneously boring and disgusting. Gibson's movies have always have lots of violence but this one is over the top, too graphic, and full of hate. His two prior movies, "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" were anti-British and this movie is anti-semitic.
Gibson is becoming the new Leni Riefenstahl.

[greyfox]

37. Pilate

I believe Pilate had no choice because it was the PLAN of God, not because this is an anti-Semetic film. I thought it was quite good and an exellent witnessing tool for the church. BUT, then that is one man's opinion. Don't hit me. LOL

[Misunderestimator]

38. You're right that in the bible that is the way it was with Pilate...

but in the movie, it is plain that Mel is trying to convince the audience that it is because of the Jews that Pilate agreed to crucify him. I'm curious why you think that this film was an "excellent witnessing tool for the church" though.

[greyfox]

57. My meaning

is that few movies have ever shown the utter exhasting horror of the cross which Jesus faced. That alone has brought many to their knees during the movie (yes, I have seen it time and time again, thank God). Some never gave thought to what it cost Jesus to purchase our salvation. Thus, the movie is a wonderful tool for drawing the lost to Christ and for reminding the Christian just what he/she cost.

[Misunderestimator]

60. Ok... So I will respect you for your beliefs...

But the movie was overly critical of Jews IMO... and has only served to cement my atheism. I grew up reading the bible EVERY NIGHT and I knew well the story of Christ's suffering on the cross. What exhausts me is seeing the manipulation of Christianity by the likes of Bush and the complete rejection of anything BUT Christianity that this film inspires.

[greyfox]

61. Thank you

and I respect your feelings and thoughts as well. I am a Christian and, for me anyway, Bush is about as far from a Christian as Osama is! He uses the "Christian" label when he thinks it will be beneficial to him in the election etc. but has said and done so much that is contrary to every Christian concept in the Word. So I cannot argue one iota with you there (and would not anyway). I am sorry that something keyed a hurt in you that caused you to feel the way you do, but I sure can understand how it happens - especially with the likes of Bush saying he is representative of what "God wants." Puke.

[Misunderestimator]

63. *handshake* We're all in this together.

Love your post.

[greyfox]

64. Yes

Indeed we are in this together; and I try harder. <g> Life is way too short not to hold one another up - especially with what we may go through for another four years if..well... let me not go there.

[realisticphish]

87. ah

but i would think that most christians, and all rational people, would understand that having freaking nails hammered through you would be unfathomably horrible. while christ went through a horrifying process in dying for us, he wasnt the only person to die that way, by any means. i can, however, understand how some people would make them try harder. i myself focus on christ's teachings themselves; i believe that those, and the fact that he died at ALL, is far more important to being a christian. but as i said, the way that this movie affects the viewer is profoundly different from person to person.

[flygal]

39. Ya know - creepy Christians make me wanna convert to

But since I'm not really anything, what's there to convert from...but if I were something - I'd convert! lol

[Misunderestimator]

42. LOL... I thought that very thing before I posted....

Hard to convert to something when you're nothing to start with huh? :)

[greyfox]

66. Ah

but you ARE something....special in fact! Labels are labels... we don't REALLY need them. I lean toward Democrat because I go back to good ol' Truman days and remember the Republican ilk of the days... and i REALLY get ticked when the media (and the Republicans) put a label on us that says we are "liberals", then define that term as a non-Christan, valueless, lawless bunch of nut cases. That is simply not true,so I don't like labels at all... and...ah...conservative"? What is THAT? Always meant penny-pinching stinginess down south. LOL

[Zuni]

45. Actually, if you check the KJ Bible, it is pretty accurate

the Gospel of Luke recounts the story in a very similar way

[Misunderestimator]

48. It may be accurate, but it's way over the top exaggerated...

The King James version of the bible did NOT lay all the blame on Jews the way that Mel did. Besides the fact that all of the gospels contradict eachother.

[Zuni]

49. What about the Roman soldiers?

They came off looking just as bad as the Jews in my opinion. Is it an anti-Italian film too?

[Misunderestimator]

51. They came across as bad, as individuals... not as a religion

The movie depicted them as doing their jobs, because the Jews had demanded the crucifixion.

[WCGreen]

55. If you have studies ancient roman culture..

You would see that it was all about brutality and crushing the spirit of the conquored...

One thing that is totally left out is that if you look at the whole incident, you will see that it was far more politically motivated than faith based...

The Jewish leadership wanted to get rid of Jesus and his followers because they saw the "movement" as a threat to their personal standing in the Jewish community. This whole elaborate power structure that they had constructed around the "temple" and how to communicate with God would crumble if god suddenly was everywhere and in the hearts of all people who accepted "the way" of thinking. And since the Jewish leadership couldn't take care of it themselves, revolt is revolting to the Romans, they tried to convince Rome, Pilate, to do the deed.....

Curiously, the Christian leadership in power sects in power today have become as narrow minded as the Jewish leaders in old Jerusalem itself abd are trying to convinve Rome, as manifest in the current administration in Washington, to do the dirty work......

[Misunderestimator]

56. Very good post, thank you.

[TexasLady]

46. im more of a jesus christ superstar fan

my kids love it too. we like the music.

after the 'Passion' came out in theaters, my poor husband was always being told he looked just like the guy who played jesus.

he sort of does look like the actor, what with the long hair and all, but i kind of liked it...i thought the guy that played him was good looking..until the blood and gore started.

agreed on the anti semitism. sure seemed that way to me.

[Misunderestimator]

50. Yeah, he's a good actor, I hope this was just a job for him and not a

mission. I love Jesus Christ Superstar.

"I don't know how to take this
I don't see why he moves me.
He's a man, he's just a man.
And I've had so many men before
In very many ways:
He's just one more"

And Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat... good one too.

[tjdee]

65. Sorry, LOL, Jim Caviezel is a religious guy.

He's into it.

He sure is hot though.

[greyfox]

70. HEY!!!

We Christians can be very HOT!! LOL... trust me.

[tjdee]

85. Well, I'M pretty hot, LOL.

I was kind of looking at it from the perspective of someone who'd be disappointed that Jim was a religious guy--very much so, if I remember.

[DerekG]

67. How did you guys like the "What is truth?" delivery?

Funny, I always thought that the passage indicated that Pilate was a debased Sophist; the comment was sarcastic because he didn't *care* what the truth was.

Yet Mad Mel envisions one of the most brutal governors in the history of the Empire to be a morose philosopher. Sad, really.

[Misunderestimator]

68. TOTALLY agree with you... Pilate came across as pitiable

Very, very sad distortion of the original story.

[GreenPartyVoter]

73. I have opted to not watch it

[skygazer]

74. Mel Gibson makes me sick

The Passion went a long way towards it then the other day when he was sanctimoniously whining about spending his hard earned tax dollars on stem cell research because it was something he found "unethical", I nearly hurled. :puke:

Imagine, getting ethics lessons from a man who made his fortune by glorifying violence. And he thinks stem cell research is unethical and that his tax dollars shouldn't go toward it?

Newsflash, Mel. I don't think war is ethical, particularly this war we've been railroaded into in Iraq. Yet far more of my tax dollars go to pay for that bloody fiasco than will EVER go for ANY lifesaving medical research, you fucking hypocrite!

Sorry, got carried away there....

[Hog lover]

77. I have always disliked Mel - terrible actor - loves himself a lot

Now I refuse to look at him and sure as hell won't waste my time and money going to any of his movies.

South Park really got him right in its episode on this slasher movie.

[Misunderestimator]

78. I didn't find you to be carried away at all...

I agree wholeheartedly. Mel Gibson is a hypocritical asshole who glorifies violence and war and wants to take away the hope for cures to millions.

[hunter]

75. Mel really got his rocks off on this one...

I'm serious. Everything about the movie is twisted.

It starts with the small things. Just for fun, do an image search of the actresses, with "Safe Search" turned off.

The theology is even more broken. It reeks of "AntiChrist" symbolism.

Mel Gibson is a pervert. He creeps me out more than Michael Jackson does.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

79. You gave the nasty fucker MONEY?

I hope it was borrowed / bootlegged / downloaded from Kazaa / whatever.

[Misunderestimator]

80. Well... I hate to admit it but it was PPV... I was bored... I wish I

hadn't done it :cry: What an AWFUL movie it was. Never again.

[Baldsicle]

84. IMHO....

The Last Temptation of Chist was the best Jesus movie.

[Dukakis88]

86. Sequel idear: "The Passion of The Aliens vs. The Predator vs. The Christ"

Hope this isn't an offensive idea.

[miss_kitty]

90. I am not even going to try this movie

I used to like Mel:cry:

[TransitJohn]

91. Scorsese's

The Last Temptation of Christ was so much more thoughtful, you know, as a contemplation of the MAN who was Jesus.

[Brundle_Fly]

92. I am surprized ....

he didnt hire bruce willis to play jesus.

[hunter]

89. I want to see Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow playing Jesus.

I think I'll have another beer.

:toast:

[wickerwoman]

93. How did you reply to something posted after you?

Weird...

[robbedvoter]

96. Martyr Mel (of the librul Hollywood), at promotion of movie

" F-- you! I don't mean f-- you; I mean "f-- you" in general. I don't have to answer any of these questions anymore. I'm a hell of a lot wealthier than I once was."
Mel Gibson at DVD sales convention for The Passion


And for those wondering how it made money - even NY Post had 3-4 Page One"s on it - I can imagine the promos in the bible belt!

[jmowreader]

100. For your reading pleasure...a Christian Review of The Passion

http://www.capalert.com/capreports/passionofthechrist.htm

"But in Wanton Violence/Crime, this movie could not have been more "R." The Passion of the Christ earned a lower Wanton Violence/Crime score than American History X. If I removed the investigation area scoring display limiters that display as zero any less-than-zero scores, the score in Wanton Violence/Crime would be -442."

"That it is truthful to the actual events does not excuse exposing your kids to it unless you, mom/dad, say so."

The guy is so proud of the CAP Analysis Model he mentions how wonderful it is about fifty times in his review.

As to your question about Mel Gibson's Bible, he has a George W. Bush Version. All that's in it is smiting.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

107. The part about depictions of wine drinking is a riot!

He even acknowledges that drinking without getting drunk isn't a sin according to the Bible, anmd then goes on to condemn depictions of non-abusive drinking anyway! Based on the oh-so-reliable "A Recent Study!" Is that tortured logic or what?

Eph. 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. ("Wine" can be any intoxicating substance. Though it is not a sin to drink, it is a sin to get drunk. A recent study has found an undeniable link between the presentation of alcoholic beverages and tobacco in and as entertainment and abuse of them by adolescents. And teaching/causing youth to abuse alcohol/tobacco by emboldening youth with them in and as entertainment invokes Luke 17:2)

[rockymountaindem]

101. Come on over!

Just don't bring any ham sandwiches :party:

[Misunderestimator]

102. Hahaha... How about a pork loin?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

103. I'll have a crab cheeseburger with bacon, please.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

104. Is it like I heard it is?

a Jesus slasher flick, almost pornographic in it's emphasis on the blood and gore?

Ick. You are stronger than me to watch that. I won't watch it, and I am Christian.

[Misunderestimator]

105. Slasher flicks have a lot less blood and gore...

it was revolting :puke:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

106. Oh geez

no way. Now I am VERY glad I never watched it.

And never will.

I know what happened, I don't need to see slo-mo shots of whips and blood and gore.