Brokaw to Kerry: "Bush has a higher IQ."

[Kire]

Kerry to Brokaw: "That's great. More power to him"


That's my boy.

[aquart]

1. I'm sorry. Brokaw has these numbers how?

[flowomo]

old story now.... came out last week.... google around for it

[fortyfeetunder]

8. Now was the IQ test before or after the drunken period? n/t

[lady raven]

38. I wouldn't worry too much

In 6th grade, they tested those of us who they thought would qualify for the gifted program, usually about the "top" half of the class. My brother tested just above 100 or so on the Stanford Binet. His junior year he got 1330 on his SATs. They put him in the gifted program, finally. He tested for MENSA 3 times over the next several years and scored between 104 and 111. I believe each time it was the Stanford Binet. (Anyone here remember what MENSA uses?)

I know several MENSAns with IQs above 140 who didn't score well on the SAT.

SAT scores are only SUGGESTIVE of IQ, not proof positive by any means. I would take it all with a grain of salt. To get a TRUE picture, we would have to sit the two of them down NOW and administer to them the SAME test, especially since * shows obvious mental deterioration just over the past 10 years. He may have had an IQ of 125 at 16, but it may be much lower now.

Besides, there are people with genius IQs who are brain dead slackers, and plenty with so- called "average" IQs who are high achievers. I learned long ago that IQ is just a number and it doesn't make you any better than anyone else.

Compare and contrast * and Kerry by ability to lead, caring for the people of the country, and common sense (all of which matter MUCH more than IQ) and it's NO CONTEST. :-)

[Kire]

6. that's what Kerry asked him

he quoted some study somewhere, I didn't catch it

He couldn't say how reliable it was.

[aquart]

24. Oh, THAT garbage.

About as reliable as Bishop Usher.

[nookiemonster]

2. Have you heard a more eloquent speaker? Amazing! n/t

[Inland]

3. Bwa-ha-ha-ha

Dismissing both Brokaw and Bush in six words.

[madmax]

4. Oh bullshit

I want whatever Brokenjaw is smoking or drinking.

[fortyfeetunder]

5. Imagine if Brokaw told * Kerry's IQ was higher

You would have heard defensiveness, whining and immaturity. He was trying to bait Kerry. Brokaw must feel like an effing fool now...

[serryjw]

7. Brokaw is drinking the KOOLAID.........

close the refrigerator.

[Mojambo]

9. The man is good.

He knew Brokaw was baiting for a response that would make Kerry look elitist or smug.

Great answer.

[Kierkegaard]

10. My kitchen table has a higher IQ than Smirky McFly.

I can't believe Brokejaw would waste good air time repeating rumors...

[kokomo]

23. How did Bush get into Yale with a 1206 SAT? Affirmative Action?

[Kierkegaard]

31. Nepotism.

Osmosis, birthrite, snuck in and refused to leave? Got me...

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

34. How did bush GET a 1206 on his SAT? Seriously!

[Crunchy Frog]

39. He got someone else to take it for him

would be my guess.

[The Doctor.]

11. Y'know, I could have sworn I heard...

"What is the frequency kenneth? What is the frequency Kenneth? WHAT IS THE FREQUENCY KENNETH?" somewhere in the background.

[Kire]

15. I think you are referring to Dan Rather

he sang (well, croaked) that song on Letterman

am I wrong?

[The Doctor.]

41. You may not be, but the reference is to when

Mike Wallace was beaten in a parking lot many years ago by a man saying,"What's the frequency Kenneth?" over and over and over as he beat him.

[Susang]

47. Please tell me you're joking?

You know that's not true, right? Right?

Here's the true story behind the phrase:

One night in October 1986, Rather was walking down a Manhattan street when he was punched from behind and thrown to the ground. His assailant kicked and beat him while repeating, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?"

No one could explain the event, and the rumors flew fast and wide. Some speculated the assailant was a KGB agent, while others claimed the attack was the work of a jealous husband. Rather himself couldn't shed any light on the subject. His explanation at the time?

"I got mugged. Who understands these things? I didn't and I don't now. I didn't make a lot of it at the time and I don't now. I wish I knew who did it and why, but I have no idea."

Apparently the strange event moved R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe, who said of the incident:

"It remains the premier unsolved American surrealist act of the 20th century. It's a misunderstanding that was scarily random, media hyped and just plain bizarre."

The attack inspired the 1994 R.E.M. hit "What's the Frequency, Kenneth." Being a good sport, Dan Rather even accompanied the band when they performed the song on a Late Show with David Letterman appearance.

In 1997, based on a tip from a psychiatrist, Rather's attacker was identified as William Tager. According to the psychiatrist, Tager, who was currently serving time for killing an NBC stagehand, blamed news media for beaming signals into his head, and thought if he could just find out the correct frequency, he could block those signals that were constantly assailing him. Hence the enigmatic inquiry.

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010619.html

[elperromagico]

12. What is this based on? SAT scores? n/t

[flowomo]

13. Here's the (dismal) source on that story about IQ's:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html

[Algorem]

14. His daddy got him into Yale,think his daddy didn't fix his tests too?

[China_cat]

16. "Brokaw to Kerry: "Bush has a higher IQ.""

Than what? A carrot?

[Eugene]

17. So Shrub is not stupid, just lazy and fragile.

Bush may have a brain, but he still
relies on handlers and yes men to do
his thinking for him.

:dem:

[no_hypocrisy]

18. Guess that * didn't want to raise the grade curve for his classmates.

IQs can make you really unpopular.

http://www.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Psst! Check out the 75 he got in political science!

[Kire]

looks like a 73 in poli sci to me

[miss_kitty]

19. IQ doesn't mean shit

if you don't apply it. Try a 'critical thinking' test. I threw a slug in the street yesterday that would score much higher than the Sock Puppet on that...It was a young slug too.

[sonicx]

20. Debunked: Read this from Media Matters...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410250007

Tierney quoted "IQ expert" funded by eugenicists
In an October 24 New York Times "Political Points" column titled "Secret Weapon for Bush?" John Tierney reported that right-wing columnist Steve Sailer concluded that President George W. Bush has a higher IQ than Senator John Kerry, purportedly based on their scores on military tests. But then, rather than seeking a different view on the suppositions of Sailer -- whom Tierney identifies as a conservative -- Tierney obtained validation of Sailer's findings from University of Delaware "I.Q. expert" Linda Gottfredson. Tierney didn't report that Gottfredson is herself a controversial figure whose research has been funded by the Pioneer Fund, an organization designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for its support over the years of the work of white supremacists, eugenicists, and others dedicated to proving the existence of genetic differences between races.

Gottfredson pronounced Sailer's analysis "creditable," Tierney stated in his article, adding that she "said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. 'People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand,' Professor Gottfredson said."

To obtain "expert" commentary on Sailer's findings, Tierney did not have to look far. Sailer, who describes himself as "a reporter, movie critic for The American Conservative magazine, a columnist for VDARE.com, and founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute," has written frequently in defense of both the Pioneer Fund and Gottfredson (see, for example, here). He has cited her work in both his columns for VDARE.com, an anti-immigration website, and in an January 14 article he wrote for United Press International titled "How Smart Is Bush?"

snip/more

[personman]

21. Bull...

He must have cheated then, there is no way he has a higher IQ then Kerry. Any reasonably intelligent person who has seen both men talk could tell you that. I doubt * could SPELL intelligence without looking it up.

(I know I posted this same message in the other IQ thread)

[DrZeeLit]

22. As tested by "No Child Left Behind?" Hmm, that's about right....n/t

[ikojo]

25. What good is intelligence without curiosity?

It is a waste.

[mconvente]

26. ummmm.... 1206 SAT score....

Yeah, since scores go by 10 point increments you cant get a 1206 SAT score... and that's pretty shitty anyways - I have a 1370 and I only prepped for it for a bit... hahaha

[ikojo]

29. Could it have been different when * and Kerry took

the SAT? Was the scoring the same then as it is today?

[qnr]

27. See what cocaine does to you?

Anyway, IQ tests don't mean shit. Hell, I was scored a good 23 points above that when I was younger, yet I'm still an idiotic, no-account HS dropout.

Love Kerry's response :)

[Wapsie B]

28. I Brokaw afraid of being necklaced?

He out foxes Faux most days.

[Maiden England]

30. yeah if we allow NEGATIVE numbers

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

32. Tell me Brokaw was kidding.

Please. Otherwise I have to believe Brokaw has lost his mind.

What is the point in even SAYING that???

Great response by Kerry. Is there anyone besides frothing at the mouth bushies who believe that?

And NOW people care about bush's intelligence? I thought he only had to be SAVED and MANLY and shit.

[Lorien]

33. My dad is a psycologist and IQ expert

He's administered thousands of IQ tests over the years. He estimates Shrub to be in the mid 90s. Believe it or not, 100 is no longer the "average", 90 is.

By contrast, the average DUer IQ (from a test taken last year by many DUers) is 140.

[Malebolgia]

35. Now why in the hell did he say that?

What does an IQ number have to do with the price of tea in China?

[demosincebirth]

36. ...and a smaller prick.

[Ellen Forradalom]

37. If by IQ he means Idiocy Quotient

he may be onto something.

[zbdent]

40. Brokaw better check the font on that document

I bet it's fake, and that Rove handed it straight to him . . .

[smirkymonkey]

42. A higher IQ than what? A dirty old pair of Rove's underwear?

What is the context here? I find it hard to believe that Bush has an IQ over 90, and to compare his intelllect - or lack of it - to Kerry's fine mind is an insult.

[realisticphish]

43. AAAAAAAAAAAA

god i hate it when people use the phrase "IQ". it has been decades since it was an acceptable psychological guage. the only comparison that could be made is if they both took the exact same test, under the exact same conditions, and even then, all they could say was that one did better than the other on THAT PARTICULAR TEST. a persons intelligence can simply not be rated scientifically, at least not reliably (of course we are leaving out brain damage)

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[ComerPerro]

44. If I was Kerry, I would have said "Then I must be an idiot, because

Bush is the dumbest person I have ever seen."

That, however, is why I am not in politics.

[Nightowl_2004]

45. What was Bush's IQ?

I'm a 140. I'm curious to see if I was smarter!

I find it highly unlikely that Bush is higher than Kerry though!

[LibLover]

46. Gee. Imagine how smart he COULD have been.

If it weren't for the constant stomping of his brain cells with beer and coke. Heck, he might have even been a LIBERAL!